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**PsychoticStorm**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Yes. They look fine. Boobs are possibly slightly too large making the rest of the torso look small, but even that's not bothering me. These soldiers look tough and solid. I have no use for skinny pin-head barbies.

Ok you want disproportionate heroic troops, sorry we have nothing to discuss on that point, I am sorry I thought you wanted realistic proportionate troops.

Could you be any more condescending?

I tried to, I thought he had issues with the 1/3/3 which is the average proportions in drawing and wanted a 1/3/4, I defended 1/3/3 because it is the average and 1/3/4 is more of a "supermodel" proportions in drawing, but did a mockup in 1/3/4 to make some bridge for discussion, once I finally understood he championed 1/2/3 which is heroic proportions, I do not think I can viably continue discussion, I want more realistic proportions he wants heroic, two incompatible ideas with no real middle ground.

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Azazelx wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:

It is not 1/2/3 if you are using the helmet as the measuring stick. It's more like 1(plus helmet)/2.4/3.6, assuming the helmet adds 1/5 of a head height to the head, which is reasonable to account for hair and padding/armor. 1/3/3 looks odd because it makes the legs look too small for the upper body. That's more of a Mantic thing than a Raging Heroes thing.

Thank you. That's not a head, it's a helmet. The premise of these arguments has been flawed for several pages.

Spoiler:

Note head size vs helmet size:

I think it is still 1/2/3 without helmet

**Crimson**

PsychoticStorm wrote:

I tried to, I thought he had issues with the 1/3/3 which is the average proportions in drawing a...

I had issue with you saying thins, because it is painfully wrong. It is funny how people who demand realistic proportions have no clue what realistic proportions are.

**PsychoticStorm**

Crimson wrote:
PsychoticStorm wrote:

I tried to, I thought he had issues with the 1/3/3 which is the average proportions in drawing a...

I had issue with you saying thins, because it is painfully wrong. It is funny how people who demand realistic proportions have no clue what realistic proportions are.

I know what it isn't and 1/2/3 is not it, if you look at their artwork its 1/3/4 which according to drawing proportions is the idealized proportions.

In any case even if I champion the more "proper" 1/3/3,5 (7,5 heads) or the idealized 1/3/4 (8 heads) proportions, you understand the departure from 1/2/3 is even greater.

For reference CB sculpts which are ideal in my opinion are 1/3/3,5

**Crimson**

PsychoticStorm wrote:

I know what it isn't and 1/2/3 is not it, if you look at their artwork its 1/3/4 which according to drawing proportions is the idealized proportions.

In any case even if I champion the more "proper" 1/3/3,5 (7,5 heads) or the idealized 1/3/4 (8 heads) proportions, you understand the departure from 1/2/3 is even greater.

It is not greater, as both of those retain proper torso/leg ratio which is important. Why 1/2/3 (They're more like 1/2.2/2.8, really) looks Ok to me because the torso/leg ratio is about correct 'heroic' scale doesn't really affect that, it affects head and hand size and general stockiness of the models.

**PsychoticStorm**

So, as long as the legs are 50% of the body, you do not care of proportions?

Sorry I do care

**Crimson**

I do care. I just necessarily don't care for realistic proportions, merely that they're stylised so so that they look good. Short legs make things look like Flintstones.

**Minx**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
I think it is still 1/2/3 without helmet

Interesting choice of head-height (including big hair and most of the neck...). But at least it supports your claim

Edit: Looking at the original rendering, i would leave it as is (or maybe reduce the bust size slightly).

**Alpharius**

Breotan wrote:
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I'd rather these scaled in with dreamforges plastic offerings rather than GWs.
I actually agree with this. I have a few figures from companies other than GW and I'm perfectally fine with my RH girls being useful in some game other than just 40k.

That might be nice, but ignoring the whole "40K Counts As" demographic would not be a wise move.

Someone already brought up the whole "Dystopian Debacle" earlier in the thread - if these models end up scaling badly with 40K (and RH have assured us, more or less, that they won't!), this won't end well.

Like Insaniak said, If the TGG are taller than Space Marines...

**H.B.M.C.**

... then they cease having a use.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

They would still have a use for me, though as I have said I am scale flexible. The "40k" demographic is definately a large market to target however producing ugly models would be worse than size issues imho. I think the best compromise was the more slender small chested version at a 40k compatible scale.

**Crimson**

They are slender enough for heavily armoured shock troopers. I like how they look solid and tough an would make perfect Stormtroopers.

**PsychoticStorm**

Alpharius wrote:
Breotan wrote:
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I'd rather these scaled in with dreamforges plastic offerings rather than GWs.
I actually agree with this. I have a few figures from companies other than GW and I'm perfectally fine with my RH girls being useful in some game other than just 40k.

That might be nice, but ignoring the whole "40K Counts As" demographic would not be a wise move.

Someone already brought up the whole "Dystopian Debacle" earlier in the thread - if these models end up scaling badly with 40K (and RH have assured us, more or less, that they won't!), this won't end well.

Like Insaniak said, If the TGG are taller than Space Marines...

Height has nothing to do with proportions.

**KalashnikovMarine**

If the TGG are taller then space marines, then they're out of proportion to RH's own established model line, the original Kruganova sisters for example.

**prankster**

Loud'n Raging wrote:
Upcoming Stretch Goals:

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See how gamers are planning to use it...

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The Freedom Fighter of the Jailbirds could only be their leader, as all their lives are about getting free from the Kurganova's clutches.

So, meet Raven the Chain Breaker, supreme leader of the Jailbirds. Even more than a prisoner, Raven used to be a gladiator slave who fought for a powerful family of the Kurganova realm. Through her prowess in the arena and her cunning intelligence, she became some sort of star among the Kurganova society. But all this was part of her careful plans to achieve freedom for her and her cohorts.

The 'Raven Uprising', as it was later called, was the first episode of massive jailbreaks on the Kurganova prison planet.

Raven was then able to unite the fleeing Jailbirds and to raid enough Kurganova military supplies to form a small but strong army that have vowed to keep on harassing the Kurganova forces until their prisons are empty.

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I like the look of Raven, other than her face. Not a massive fan of her expression in the concept art. Though it'll probably be a bit better in the actual sculpt.

**Crimson**

PsychoticStorm wrote:

Height has nothing to do with proportions.

In a way it does. In a small model with realistic proportions many details become too small to paint or even see. This is why most more realistically proportioned models are 32-35mm instead of 28mm.

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KalashnikovMarine wrote:
If the TGG are taller then space marines, then they're out of proportion to RH's own established model line, the original Kruganova sisters for example.

Kurganova sisters are crazy tall.

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Raven looks rad.

**PsychoticStorm**

Oh I am positive they can do it.

**AlexHolker**

I like Raven's jacket, but not all the other gak hanging off her. A cleaner silhouette would look better, in my opinion.

**Jimsolo**

AlexHolker wrote:
I like Raven's jacket, but not all the other gak hanging off her. A cleaner silhouette would look better, in my opinion.

I had the same reaction. I was expecting something more in line with that 'over-the-top-90's-punk-culture' look that we've come to expect from the Jailbirds, and Raven looks a little more like the Kurganovas to me. The more I look at her, though, the more I like her. Especially in the context of the game system they're working on, she provides a good 'missing link' showing the connection between the two armies. In addition, her big spiky knee pads and other decorative accoutrements (sp? Opera says no but Google says yes) kind of fit the theme. She doesn't match the line troopers, but I think she totally fits in as a 'boss' of the group. In one of the films that this sort of look is prevalent in (the gangs from any of the 90's Batman films, dystopian science fiction movies like Tank Girl) she would fit in with the punk-girl gang as the towering monstrosity that jumps out to menace the hero as the obvious 'boss encounter.'

She definitely isn't what I was expecting. But I think with a good paint job (and possibly some conversion, because I love adding more decoration to my commanders!) she could really shine as a leader of the Jailbirds.

**Yonan**

Raven looks great.

**grefven**

These freebie freedom fighters are among the coolest characters of all. I'd gladly add another $10 for those if they weren't added for free already. :p

**jonolikespie**

Raven looks like a beast. I love her, maybe a little too much stuff dangling off her boots but she is definitely in the top 3 models I am most excited about so far.

**Guildsman**

Talk about HBIC- Raven is not someone that I'd like to mess with. I think she looks great. Tough, intimidating, even regal in a crazy sort of way. Perfect for the leader/founder of the Jailbirds. Plus, "chainbreaker" is one of the best epithets I've heard in a while.

**Jimsolo**

Guildsman wrote:
Talk about HBIC- Raven is not someone that I'd like to mess with. I think she looks great. Tough, intimidating, even regal in a crazy sort of way. Perfect for the leader/founder of the Jailbirds. Plus, "chainbreaker" is one of the best epithets I've heard in a while.

I'll second that. I like the chains on her, too. Good decorative choice.

**lone dirty dog**

I would just to like to say I signed up to the Kickstarter due to the picture released, however if they alter this ( proportion wise ) I would feel they altered their design to what they were offering which is wrong.

I think the Proposed 28mm was fine IMHO and as this is what they were aiming at then why change it ?

If you want differently proportioned miniatures sign up to another kickstarter or start your own.

**PsychoticStorm**

lone dirty dog wrote:
I would just to like to say I signed up to the Kickstarter due to the picture released, however if they alter this ( proportion wise ) I would feel they altered their design to what they were offering which is wrong.

I think the Proposed 28mm was fine IMHO and as this is what they were aiming at then why change it ?

If you want differently proportioned miniatures sign up to another kickstarter or start your own.

You do realize the big first and second day spike comes from those that expected models in alignment with their previous correctly proportioned scaled models, not GW proportioned heroic models.

**Fafnir**

Not to mention that they said that their models would match the concept art.

I bought in expecting the models to match proportionately, in addition to any other features.

**grefven**

I just want good looking miniatures, no matter what other game universe they can proxy to.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

I'm with grefven in this one.

**Fafnir**

And heroic scale miniatures are not good looking miniatures.

**Crimson**

Fafnir wrote:
And heroic scale miniatures are not good looking miniatures.

In your opinion. I disagree. They look better on tabletop.