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Not so much "can't" as "probably won't"

So, here;s a question I haven't seen answered yet.

Why is Blondie wearing Mickey Mouse ears?

Because she was a big fan back in the day?

 Ouze wrote:
So, here;s a question I haven't seen answered yet.

Why is Blondie wearing Mickey Mouse ears?

Because nothing screams 'punk' louder than defaced Disney paraphernalia.

We've still got 32 or so unlocks to go.

Eh, we'll make it!

 -iPaint- wrote:
Well, before anyone ninja's me, here's what I've been doing for the last hour while listening to the rain outside.

"But we can say that our personal taste is for proportions more in line to the ones of our Heroines, because we find them more beautiful, and because we think that the entire industry is moving towards “truer”, or at least, more elegant proportions."

Some quick photoshop based on RH's comments from Update #16:



And some lines marking feet (best guess based on boots/high heels) and knees. Blondie is a bit more leggy than the others. The extra length in the photoshopped troopers' torsos make up for the missing height RH was discussing earlier in the KS (I believe their current intentions are to make the Heroine sculpts slightly taller than the R&F troops to draw attention to the characters, though we may or may not see a change later on based on their comment from Update #16).



I think they'll be spot on if they can adjust the scaling and proportions of the rank and files to match up a bit better with their Heroine renders.

Who's got bets for the next batch of stretch goal reveals?

My guess is for some Iron Empire Snipers and Volga Potemkine, the Kurganova's Standard.

~iPaint

Either of these renders I would be happy with, as long as they don't adjust the body mass.

Well in my opinion is doesn't really matter how much leg, bust or size they really are. Aslong as they're along the lines of 32 mm i'm fine. I find the red box generally to small to do anything with paintwise.

I don't get how this kickstarter after this amount of planning and the loooooooooooooooong hype that preceeded it. (that gave me a feeling of that they didn't really knew what they were doing in the first place) It started of like all almost all kickstarters that i followed and spend money on went viral sorta speak in the 1 day.

the fact that they basically froze the unlocks. To keep things for the rest of the kickstarter to be unlocked and when the spike dozed off they started it back up. Is it me or don't you feel cheated when the planned this at let's say 500k everything unlocked and after they saw how many people were throwing money at it it suddenly went to 1 million. At the moment it's going really as the winds blows with the unlocks as that's what makes this kickstarter succesfull or not at the end. first it was 10-20-5-2.5k it's all over the place. Cause we need motivation??? Also 300k first freebie

Motivation in this kickstarter is not needed. Since like Buzzaw already stated it has zero point in keeping up with the kickstarter. Except seeing what we get for free or extensions along the line.

Also this whole discussion about anatomy coming from them and I don't mean this in a bad way. But other then breastsize i don't see them altering anything due to them already having they're height set in stone with the kurganova triplets. They are not staple or mandatory but wouldn't it look strange to suddenly go for a realistic look when these models actually got people interested in the first place. "Looks it's hulkette standing next to my other Raging heroes minis wich seem to be smaller......." you won't make everyone happy anyway. Saying majority this or that won't work either cause how many people will actually take the time to speak up or out. Yes they should but i think people should know better up untill now. Not to mention this is making me anxious as to when will there be a deffinite verdict on this.

When I look at this kickstarter it seems to me that they bit off to much which they actually can digest.
We have 3 armies with three looks and are almost identical.
If they would come with rules you really don't have much room to go with accept special rules cause statwise they would be largely the same since they well are largely the same. Pending on what is going to be for a game system but this is way way way to much carrot on a stick from them to us to be honest.
So for it me it's going to be used as a stand-in miniatures for GW.
Here is i think the weakness and also the lagging in this kickstarter. I don't think most units of factions can be used wich each other (too much aesthetic differences between them, maybe kurga/jailbirds could pending on what you get or use them for). So if they don't unlock everything I can't even get the particular army or collection what i want. If they don't unlock or are unable to unlock everything i think many people will either drop pledge or downsize it instead of spending more. Simple cause "my faction" would not be big enough for the pledge i'm giving.
Yes you could take other models but again my painting cabinet is full enough as it is. And i don't think people would give money for models they don't need. Especially how these models will be used. It's not for the game raging heroes is making. They don't even have their backgrounds done let alone the rules. And no 10 sentences do not make a background.

then the freebies. I wouldn't think i would ever say this. But why? Why do i get miniatures I don't want, or need or not for the army i am trying to collect. I will be ending up with a lot of stuff for everything. Wich is nice don't get me wrong since it's free but it's again a stupid waste of money and oppertunity for them and for me. I have at the moment only 1 usefull freebie. So now we get to the crux of is this kickstarter worth the money your putting in. Extra troopers in a box? army selected freebies?
Now I do get not everyone is going for the complete army approach here. But this kickstarters seems fixed in a way that to me doesn't make it flexible they say it is flexible but everything around it seems tacked on and not really thought out. Based on the criticism they recieved perhaps.

I don't have to explain how Kingdom Death did it. But damn those unlocks and prices were actually usefull. Now it's more like drop money. come back in 30 ish days to see how much it has brought up and adjust pledge towards what you need. Hoping the freebies you're getting are compatible with what you want.

It's a shame cause i really hoped they would do it well. But it seems to me this is a project gone horribly astray and buckled under it's own ambitions. Not to say it's not succesfull already and I hope it does. But it could've been a lot lot better.

I will continue back to my lurking.

What's the 410k unlock anyway? I understand they want to take it slow on the updates to get more pledgers in, but an update right about now would be grand.

raven2100 wrote:
... if they don't unlock everything I can't even get the particular army or collection what i want. If they don't unlock or are unable to unlock everything i think many people will either drop pledge or downsize it instead of spending more. Simple cause "my faction" would not be big enough for the pledge i'm giving.

I kind of share this concern. I intend to only pick up the iron empire faction and I'm in at lieutenant level. But I pledged quite early, aware of everything that I wanted, and kinda hoped that eventually most minis/boxes would be unlocked by the time we get to the end (as I'm sure a few others did). The problem with this though is that if the snipers never get unlocked, I'll probably have to drop my pledge amount and wait for general release since they're pretty central to my plan. Don't really see much of a solution to this.

I think that by showing all unlockables straight away, a lot of people may have picked what they wanted and pledged what they needed to right at the start. Now we're all sitting about hoping new people will pledge. And this isn't really getting those snipers/mechas unlocked. It's a bit of a quandary, but I can't really see many of the existing backers significantly increasing their pledges before the end.

Also, kinda agree with your point about the freebies. I really don't need 3 different tank commanders, that one freebie could of been "your choice of tank commander". But, they are free so I'm really not going to moan.

$410k is Unlock of Tarja, Yaga Soul Weaver
With the heavy troopers upgrade at $415k. Though we have no other details of that and once that's reached there's no more SGs detailed.

Fully understanding wanting to take care of health issues first but a place holder update should possibly be posted to that effect and with at least a list of the next SGs. Otherwise it could scare away some potential new backers when they see a lack of updates without explanation.

 BrookM wrote:
What's the 410k unlock anyway? I understand they want to take it slow on the updates to get more pledgers in, but an update right about now would be grand.

It's a Yaga:


$415,000 Free Upgrade for the boxes of Heavy Troopers (details forthcoming)

No slow down on unlocks, still every $5,000.

18 days to go. I have a question. How many renders have we seen so far? I could less than 10 unlocks revealed as renders. Since we were promised that 80% of the sculpts would be squared away by the end of the campaign... shouldn't we have seen more by now?

Also, I have a deep hankering for a French thumb next to a 3D printed mini, for some reason...

Kroot, second Yaga. The first soul weaver unlocked was a Yaga.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
18 days to go. I have a question. How many renders have we seen so far? I could less than 10 unlocks revealed as renders. Since we were promised that 80% of the sculpts would be squared away by the end of the campaign... shouldn't we have seen more by now?

Also, I have a deep hankering for a French thumb next to a 3D printed mini, for some reason...

All renders are in the first post. No idea, if the number is satisfying with 18 days to go.
I don't understand the remark about French thumbs.

They are French. So they would have French thumbs. Nothing more to it, not even a hint of snideness in my comment.


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Does everyone stop thinking when a nationality is mentionned but the real goal of sentence has not been reached? I want to see a darn 3D print. Allow me my verbal curlicues!

Hope this helps with your non-nationality based question:

3D-render:


Actual metal mini:


So when you put the 3D-data into the printer, the result is very close.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
They are French. So they would have French thumbs. Nothing more to it, not even a hint of snideness in my comment.


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Does everyone stop thinking when a nationality is mentionned but the real goal of sentence has not been reached? I want to see a darn 3D print. Allow me my verbal curlicues!

Kroot wasn't accusing you of being offensive. He was just saying that your comment didn't make any sense. Why would you want to see thumbs?

He is implying the thumbs are part of the hand holding the 3d printed mini.

Also, Kroot, edit your post about the 410k SG being the first Yaga, or I will see if I can get a mod to do it. Arushka is also a Yaga, therefore, Tarja is not the first Yaga.

So why wouldn't you just want to see the mini? I still don't see what the thumb adds to the equation.

I believe, for proof they are actually doing something? I do not know. I am just interpreting tea leaves here

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Allow me my verbal curlicues!

That's clearly a snipe at non-verbal communication. Unacceptable.

/sarcasm off

3D prints? Yes, please!


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we seem to have crested $410k

JWMarines wrote:
we seem to have crested $410k

Yep, Tarja, the Second of the Yaga Soul Weavers has been unlocked.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I want to see a darn 3D print. Allow me my verbal curlicues!

Iirc in the update with the first heavy trooper renderings they said one of the virtual sculpts has gone to the printers. Can't be that long any more until you get your wish, although perhaps without the thumb

Do I wish more had been unlocked? Yes. But there is one thing to consider.

A Stretch goal is there to encourage more pledges . They didn't technically have to unlock what they did for the massive run the first day had. What point is there in "backdating" stretch goals? None. Yet they did do some unlocks. And they may have padded the levels a bit, because they had 30 more days to plan for . Would you have unlocked everything and left yourself in a lurch? I wouldn't have. The campaign would have stalled, and possibly flamed out into the ground because peoplewould then be complaining that there wwere no further goals.

@HisDivineShadow: I was under the impression that stretch goals were also to take in funding in order to finance additional products/increase the quality of the product on offer, not just to get more money in the bank.

In reality, I don't think there is a solid definition other than the one Kickstarter themselves laid out in their Help section, which is simply ambiguous enough to allow for any use of the term as it is currently used by any backer or creator.

"A stretch goal is a funding target set by the project creator beyond the original Kickstarter goal. Stretch goals as a term and a practice emerged from the Kickstarter community as a way for creators to "stretch" beyond the initial, official goal of the Kickstarter project and raise more money (and often make cooler stuff!)."

Here is an ogryn sized metal miniature from the RH line. I will be converting a bunch of these as corrupted ogryns that will be hanging around in the underhive of my massive display board for the TGG army.

http://wappellious.blogspot.com/2013/06/someone-just-made-bloody-mess.html

They have "scaled up" a version of this with wings and extra parts to make a massive Demon Prince. I will try to make an "unboxing" post of that as soon as I can. I should also have a side by side of a SON next to the Kurganovas...

As I might have mentioned before, I will be using all 3 factions to make my IG/Sisters army. The Iron Empire will occupy the outer defenses of the hive city, since they have the gas masks to be outside. :-)

The Jailbirds will be 'down below' on the mean streets of the hive city, while the rest will be near the upper floors and chapel where the Sisters reside.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Do I wish more had been unlocked? Yes. But there is one thing to consider.

A Stretch goal is there to encourage more pledges . They didn't technically have to unlock what they did for the massive run the first day had. What point is there in "backdating" stretch goals? None. Yet they did do some unlocks. And they may have padded the levels a bit, because they had 30 more days to plan for . Would you have unlocked everything and left yourself in a lurch? I wouldn't have. The campaign would have stalled, and possibly flamed out into the ground because peoplewould then be complaining that there wwere no further goals.

I would disagree fairly strenuously (and in fact have at some length).

While there is no set reason for stretch goals, the standard practice of using them to a) improve the base product and b) expand options has worked fairly well in the past. The problem with the first day of this campaign, not to go too far over ground I've already trod down, is that they basically seem to have been rocked back on their heels and said "whoa...".

The result of that when they did come back, the backers that had jumped in early saw that far less then they expected had been unlocked.

The argument that there must always be a further stretch goal somewhat falls apart when there is this vague mention of plastic tooling (hard plastic, that is), as well as a number of intimations of as-yet not seen units.

There is always more you can put up, but when you have structured your campaign so that there is a ladder that must be climbed just to finish what people regard as "the basics", you run into potential problems. For example, if it looks like there are significant options still locked, there is the possibility that towards the end people will soften, rather then strengthen their support.

That is, no one pledged the Bones campaign on day 1 because they wanted to get C'Thulhu. But there are people that pledged TGG day 1 for items that they knew of but have yet to be unlocked (N.B., marquee characters line General Ilsa are still yet to be unlocked).

Although, in fairness, there are several other divergences from what I have regarded as good practices to quibble over.

 Jimsolo wrote:
So why wouldn't you just want to see the mini? I still don't see what the thumb adds to the equation.

For one, a thumb would confirm that it is not just a render, and two, it would give us another indication of scale, maybe.

I just hope they get better pictures than Defiance games does...

Regarding their "we need backers" update: what if they don't get them? I can see myself sitting on what I have pledged and get what would somewhat satisfy me from the unlocked list. But what about all of those clamoring for snipers, say? Is that what you mean, Buzzsaw, by softening of the pledges?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
So why wouldn't you just want to see the mini? I still don't see what the thumb adds to the equation.

For one, a thumb would confirm that it is not just a render, and two, it would give us another indication of scale, maybe.

I just hope they get better pictures than Defiance games does...

Regarding their "we need backers" update: what if they don't get them? I can see myself sitting on what I have pledged and get what would somewhat satisfy me from the unlocked list. But what about all of those clamoring for snipers, say? Is that what you mean, Buzzsaw, by softening of the pledges?

Precisely. For example, I want basically... uh, all of the Iron Empire Heroes and most of the units. Which my current pledge covers (for the sake of argument). If it's going down to the wire and not everything I want has been unlocked, I am in a game of chicken: hold steady on my pledge and hope what I want is unlocked, risking paying money I will then be obligated to spend on things I don't want, or pulling back to cover what I want and know has been unlocked. The IE has, according to the main chart, 7 figures yet to be unlocked for Heroes as well as the Snipers and Mech. At $10k per main unlock, that's $90k just for that one faction.

Hopefully this won't be a problem and the final days will see completely new items put up for stretch goals, but it is a danger that one must be cognizant of.

As to the recruitment drive... uh, I'm not the most into social media, but does anyone know what that has entailed so far? The last official update was June 16th, since then there has been more then 1 unlocked stretch goal that has not been reflected on the front page (in fact we are very nearly once more out of stretch goals...).