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 Kroothawk wrote:
Pic looks like Jinx has 3 "fingers" front and back. Cats have 5 at front and 4 back.
But if Jinx is a cat sized miniature, then you couldn't tell the difference I guess.

Oh, I see. Total misunderstanding on my part.
The fifth frontal claw of my cat isn't as visible when seen from the front though. Perhaps that's why the alien cat got three back and front?

Maybe Jinx is a Yakuza cat, who has been naughty six times

 WolfStark wrote:
They already showed renders and they will continue with it but it's strange if someone expects to see everything. Kickstarter is not a online shop.

Agreed. I've backed many KS projects, not all of them game related. Only the boardgaming ones, particularly those involving minis, seem to have this level of demand from the backers to have everything completed and visible upfront. Some of the projects I've backed barely even had a functioning prototype ready, with few to no stretch goals or freebies available. So, maybe my expectations are a bit different.

prankster wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 WolfStark wrote:
They already showed renders and they will continue with it but it's strange if someone expects to see everything. Kickstarter is not a online shop.

Yup, and the renders they have already shown have looked fantastic IMO. That's why I've no doubt that the rest will be also.

Well, the renders of the heroines do all look very nice. However, there were issues with the trooper renders that sparked quite a big debate at the time and we've not seen anything since. Admittedly, the troopers were WIP so some differences from the concept art are to be expected.

What we need to see, and sooner rather than later, is pics of actual 3d prints. Really, imho, they either should have got at least a couple of pictures up yesterday. It doesn't take that much to snap some pictures and upload them, if they're not the best quality just make sure they're clearly listed as such. Either that, or they shouldn't have mentioned it and we'd not be in the current situation of jam tomorrow.

For my part, I liked those wip troopers. I agreed with some of the criticisms that the chests could be smaller, and they seemed to take those criticisms on board. Apart from that, I thought they were looking really really good. But you're right, pics of 3d prints would be nice. Like I said though, I don't think there needs to be a huge rush for them. They've got two weeks to show us.

Its going to be half a model high in that pose, so it is going to be big enough to make out such detail.

Assuming the front paws have the side finger the concept art has fingers 4 in front and 3 at the back, in both cases 1 finger short of how many there should have been.

Moreover Sphynx cats have really long front fingers able to grasp things, on the plus side they got the tail about right I think its long enough.

It's a bit of a mess of a KickStarter to get into, to be honest.

I've funded on the Lt level, but say I want a mecha. What do I do then? Can I buy that extra with my Lt pack, or do I in some way trade two $15 packs for the $30 mecha pack after the final kickstarter date?

Knowing what you will get, how to choose the rest and such is just a big jumble.

 Purifier wrote:
It's a bit of a mess of a KickStarter to get into, to be honest.

I've funded on the Lt level, but say I want a mecha. What do I do then? Can I buy that extra with my Lt pack, or do I in some way trade two $15 packs for the $30 mecha pack after the final kickstarter date?

Knowing what you will get, how to choose the rest and such is just a big jumble.

It's pretty easy. Pledge $165, then choose $150 worth of miniatures.

You are at LT you have 150$ to choose from.

If you want extra you can up your pledge.

Edit, by up I mean add more to your pledge not selecting a higher pledge level.

 Purifier wrote:
I've funded on the Lt level, but say I want a mecha. What do I do then? Can I buy that extra with my Lt pack, or do I in some way trade two $15 packs for the $30 mecha pack after the final kickstarter date?

You can choose any miniature you like for a total sum of $150. In addition you get the KS exclusive heroine, the digital artbook and the freebies. If you'd like more miniatures you can add to your pledge.

Edit: Moreover, don't forget to add the shipping costs.
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 Minx wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
I've funded on the Lt level, but say I want a mecha. What do I do then? Can I buy that extra with my Lt pack, or do I in some way trade two $15 packs for the $30 mecha pack after the final kickstarter date?

You can choose any miniature you like for a total sum of $150. In addition you get the KS exclusive heroine, the digital artbook and the freebies. If you'd like more miniatures you can add to your pledge.

Edit: Moreover, don't forget to add the shipping costs.
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Alright, and this list of what you wanna choose, I take it that's not something you can do right now, but will be available?

Yeh, you pledge what you wanna pledge. Then at the end of the kick starter they send you what thy call a survey. That's when you choose what models you want and where you want to spend that pledge money.


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That's how it is usually done, if this is you're first kickstarer.

 Purifier wrote:
Alright, and this list of what you wanna choose, I take it that's not something you can do right now, but will be available?

The currently available miniatures are marked as unlocked (or available at launch) on the KS main page underneath the heading "THE ARMIES". Those pictures are not always up to date though, in that case i would suggest looking at the first post of this thread.

Edit: As alanmckenzie wrote your final selection will be done once the kickstarter campaign is over. They will ask you what minis you'd like.

 Minx wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Pic looks like Jinx has 3 "fingers" front and back. Cats have 5 at front and 4 back.
But if Jinx is a cat sized miniature, then you couldn't tell the difference I guess.

Oh, I see. Total misunderstanding on my part.
The fifth frontal claw of my cat isn't as visible when seen from the front though. Perhaps that's why the alien cat got three back and front?

True, the fifth claw on the front paw is usually a little higher and inside the paw, so not ver visible. But to reiterate: If Charlie is anything to go by, you will clearly be able to count toes on a cat. They sculpt and cast that well.

Indeed, and i am supporting the notion to get Jinx the missing toes

All for Alien cat being as awesome as possible, and with seeing Walter the original, I really am looking forward to Jinx as a whole.

I for one don't really care how many toes the cat has. It isn't really a cat, after all, but an alien that just kind of looks like one.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I for one don't really care how many toes the cat has. It isn't really a cat, after all, but an alien that just kind of looks like one.

To be honest I don't care for that cat at all, I hate the dam things in real life sure as hell don't want it as a model so mine will go on the trade list.

Anyone want to trade the cat for the hippo to be honest I cant believe how much feedback there is on the thing.

 WolfStark wrote:
They already showed renders and they will continue with it but it's strange if someone expects to see everything. Kickstarter is not a online shop.

At past the halfway mark of the campaign, we have seen one squad box of prints that they didn't have posted the first day. They had originally pledged for 80% printed and shown by the end. Given the 1 per day updates they generally do, there are 13 more updates I can expect to see before the end of the timer. I think asking for patience is like asking the iceberg to please move aside and let the Titanic pass.

Vhalan wrote:

 WolfStark wrote:
They already showed renders and they will continue with it but it's strange if someone expects to see everything. Kickstarter is not a online shop.

At past the halfway mark of the campaign, we have seen one squad box of prints that they didn't have posted the first day. They had originally pledged for 80% printed and shown by the end. Given the 1 per day updates they generally do, there are 13 more updates I can expect to see before the end of the timer. I think asking for patience is like asking the iceberg to please move aside and let the Titanic pass.

I like you!

Let's be fair and say that Benoit's back delayed the prints and renders a bit and say we only see 60% of them. (He might have been better going to a science-based doctor ). Your point still stands and I'm with you.

I second the notion that it doesn't mean a frakking thing how many toes are on an ALIEN feline entity.

There are even HUMANS in real life with extra digits. And cats that have extras. I used to have such a feline. He had a thumb. He could pick up kibble and eat it like an apple.

Quibbling over a mini of an alien animal missing a digit is crazy.

THIS IS... DAKKA!!!

You had a polydactil cat? so cool. I love those. Mine are plain old boring cats, but one of them in the neighbourhood is a polydactil. I feed him kibbles on the side, to my fiancee's consternation.

Do you know if they can learn to use a flusht toilet?


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And I have to say, I love your avatar picture!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Cheers to whoever is updating the OP with all the stretch goal pics (not sure if it's RH themselves or one of the mods... MDS?)

Actually it is me feeding Major Tom with updated first posts

Well, cheers to you then

 Fafnir wrote:

 Minx wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
Oh, her concept art looks fantastic. But we won't have an idea how she actually looks until they release an render. And for all we know, that might not even happen.

A wise alien once said: "patience you must have my young padawan".

Considering the amount of competing kickstarters and online retailers out there, I have no obligation to be patient, and RH should not expect me to be. Especially with something so rudimentary as pictures of what I am actually paying for.

Yes, they had some of the rending work done, not all though, I'm guessing. Kickstarters are for developing unfinished products however. I'd rather they take time and do it right, rather than just phone it in to get some pics up. There's always an element of risk when it comes to investing, but given what renders they have produced so far, it's a risk I feel like taking. I can understand wanting it now, I just don't know how realistic that is.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Project Update #21: SHIPPING YOUR PLEDGE REWARDS IN SEVERAL WAVES
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You don't have to make that decision now. When the first wave is ready, we will contact you, and you'll then be able to choose the option you want, (and pay for the extra shipping if need be, if you chose the Personal Wave Shipping Programme).

So if I plan carefully to have all my stuff picked from Wave 1, I still have to pay extra for shipping? Say wha???

Check the bolded part.

The thing is, we've heard that 80% of the renders are done (or that the renders as a whole are 80% completed? Something to that effect).

As potential investors, why are we not allowed to see this?

 Minx wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Sooo... the one thing they are certain of is "what we can be FIRM about is that everything will be done by March 2014."

What about other miniature kickstarter campaigns, esp. those with multiple waves: Have they managed to fulfill their planned shipping dates and when did they announce those dates?

It varies widely - though the initial dates are always announced during the Kickstarter campaigns, they often start to slip and then we end up with amended dates (that can also slip) or even better - no dates.

Mantic have done well on dates with DreadBall and Kings of War. They didn't charge extra for shipping in waves.
Sedition Wars is a mess, no final/updated ETA on Wave 2. But they didn't charge extra for shipping in waves.
Dreamforge is a mess, no final/updated ETA on Waves 2 or 3. They did charge extra for shipping in waves.




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 Kroothawk wrote:
Maybe Jinx is a Yakuza cat, who has been naughty six times

Or its a rough-looking concept art sketch and the final render/model will have the appropriate number of cat-fingers?


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 WolfStark wrote:
They already showed renders and they will continue with it but it's strange if someone expects to see everything. Kickstarter is not a online shop.

Agreed. I've backed many KS projects, not all of them game related. Only the boardgaming ones, particularly those involving minis, seem to have this level of demand from the backers to have everything completed and visible upfront. Some of the projects I've backed barely even had a functioning prototype ready, with few to no stretch goals or freebies available. So, maybe my expectations are a bit different.

Miniatures and Boardgaming Kickstarters have evolved their own norms and expectations in the last year or so. One of them is that they're used by many creators as an online shop for pre-orders, and in turn are treated like that by the customers/backers. Witness the number of projects on the front page of N&R where some/many/all of the rewards are pretty much the same price as RRP, and in many cases more than you'll be able to buy them for at retail from somewhere like Miniaturemarket... (ie - reward prices are a lot more than wholesale prices to distributors would be). That's not funding the ability to create a project so much as selling pre-orders.






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 alanmckenzie wrote:

For my part, I liked those wip troopers. I agreed with some of the criticisms that the chests could be smaller, and they seemed to take those criticisms on board. Apart from that, I thought they were looking really really good. But you're right, pics of 3d prints would be nice. Like I said though, I don't think there needs to be a huge rush for them. They've got two weeks to show us.

Yes and no. It depends on how much they like money - and if they want more or less of it in the end. While prints would be great, I'm sure completed or even WIP renders would still be very good for the campaign.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Renders - well, they claimed at the start of the campaign that almost all (80%?) were finished and the rest would be finished by the conclusion of the campaign.

Minor nitpick, but the actual claim was that 80% would be finished by the end of the Kickstarter, not that 80% were finished at the beginning.

Anyway, I still think their biggest planning problem, however long they were planning it, is that they were following Kickstarter's guidelines and suggestions (something they've mentioned several times previously). The problem, as we've seen, is that that guidance does not work very well for successful gaming Kickstarters.

Fair enough on the 80%. I must have misremembered. Still, they surely should have more to show?

I'd have thought a much more logical course of action for their planning would have been to study the mega-successful KS campaigns in our niche and those who ran into trouble, like those from CMON, Mantic, Reaper etc - and Wyrd et al - skim reading through the comments and properly reading the updates sequentially and see what appeared to work and what did not. Even contact some other KS creators in the industry and pick their brains.

I think at this point, or near the $450k mark, the floodgates need to open and RH needs to get everything they're capable of currently funding and have renders/prints for out for people to see. I'd be more willing to spend a bit more for stuff we haven't seen or heard about yet (silhouettes or not) as the last week approaches.

With 14 days left, at the current pace, we are looking at maybe $480k going into the final 48 hours. Sure, half a million dollars is nothing to scoff at, but the final week of the KS campaign needs to go well enough to potentially handle a surge in the last 48 hours, which means unlocked miniatures, renders, and printed models visible for potential backers to see, and purchase.

At this point, there's not much reason for me to stay up to date with this project, because I don't have the feeling that the next update is going to be a mystery, fresh, or exciting (or whatever buzzword fits); it's going to be 1-3 unlocks of stuff we have been teased with, want to buy, but can't yet because the pledge levels aren't structured around a carrot-on-a-stick. We know there's bikes, mechs, and more characters we might want, but if they aren't going to be funded, there's no reason to maintain a pledge that includes the funds for them.

It's rough being in the slump of the project right now, but I feel like there are some things RH could be doing to at least keep their current backers interested and talking about the project.

~iPaint

I don't think that no matter what RH does at this point will make me spend more money at this point. I, as I suspect the majority of the current backers, will wait until the final day to adjust the pledge. What's the point for me to adjust my pledge today, and then some more every 2-3 days when I can just do it once the final day.

Mainly unlocking stuff and making it more attractive to undecided people.

They need more/better extras and freebies to get more people in. Not for us - we're already pledged.