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**alanmckenzie**

Alpharius wrote:
So unlocks are now time based and not funding level based?

Probably a good idea at this point, and this should keep things moving!

Once it gets past 430,000 I think, but yeah. I agree, good move.

**Azazelx**

Alpharius wrote:
So unlocks are now time based and not funding level based?
Probably a good idea at this point, and this should keep things moving!

Unfortunately, trying to play the game and shift the goalposts early on has cost them, rather badly. This is the only real option they have at this stage to stop what was an almost-guaranteed haemorrhaging of pledges. Still, gating it beyond another unlock is foolish, though. Especially when it took several days to get past unlocking a freebie... They probably need to ramp up on the freebies next.

**prankster**

Yeah, or at the very least give us a list of freebies to work at, say the next $50k worth. Though they've not said what impact this has on the freebies yet.

**BrookM**

Giving us a list of the upcoming unlocks works a whole lot better than drip-feeding us IMHO.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I think it will make very little difference which ever way they did it

Folk who will back late (and are aware of the campaign) are not going to suddenly going to go 'wow, now I have to pledge'

Folk who backed early are probably still sitting on a pledge that's larger than they need (waiting to see renders before finalising their choices). Since you can freely re-organise what you spend your pledge money on there is no need to add more cash

New backers coming in before the last day or two with typically be those who have just noticed the KS

**Herzlos**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
New backers coming in before the last day or two with typically be those who have just noticed the KS

I think a lot of people who've missed EB slots will wait til the last minute to decide if they are going to pledge or not and at what level. It doesn't seem well understood that the pledge isn't committed to or the money taken until the clock runs out.

**alanmckenzie**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Folk who will back late (and are aware of the campaign) are not going to suddenly going to go 'wow, now I have to pledge'

Folk who backed early are probably still sitting on a pledge that's larger than they need (waiting to see renders before finalising their choices). Since you can freely re-organise what you spend your pledge money on there is no need to add more cash

I agree, but what I think it does do, is it helps to prevent people who have already pledged from pulling their pledges last minute because that mecha or that sniper squad didn't get unlocked. For example, I've pledged quite early and planned everything that I wanted to buy, but if those models were never unlocked, I might have seriously reduced my pledge, now it seems like most models are going to be unlocked. Already upped my pledge a bit off the back of those shadow reveals the other day.

**Mathieu Raymond**

If this is going to be automatic unlocks based on the time... maybe they can give us all the concept artwork now so we can lock down our pledge amounts once and for all?

I don't think some people like the idea of having their funds locked into a project before they have a full view of the offering. It might be that. Although, having cancelled a pledge on projects before (I try to emulate Azazelx as much as possible

) nothing is easier.

**Azazelx**

alanmckenzie wrote:

I agree, but what I think it does do, is it helps to prevent people who have already pledged from pulling their pledges last minute because that mecha or that sniper squad didn't get unlocked. For example, I've pledged quite early and planned everything that I wanted to buy, but if those models were never unlocked, I might have seriously reduced my pledge, now it seems like most models are going to be unlocked. Already upped my pledge a bit off the back of those shadow reveals the other day.

Absolutely correct. At the previous non-rate of unlocks, they were going to start seeing a whole lot of days where people reduced their pledges, getting worse in the last couple.

**grefven**

Unfortunately, this also means that there will be no further unlocks than already shown. :/ If the stretch levels would have been kept to $5k and we would reach above $750k, there would have been a chance of RH doing more stretch goals and new concepts/sculpts to be unlocked, etc. Now that will most likely not happen. :/

**Mathieu Raymond**

grefven: I'll just consider myself happy to get all this current campaign hints at. It's more than enough for me.

**prankster**

grefven wrote:
Unfortunately, this also means that there will be no further unlocks than already shown. :/ If the stretch levels would have been kept to $5k and we would reach above $750k, there would have been a chance of RH doing more stretch goals and new concepts/sculpts to be unlocked, etc. Now that will most likely not happen. :/

Whilst it does make this situation unlikely it's better to do this than risk not unlocking everything and having people pull out at the last minute. There's nothing to stop RH from throwing new stuff in, either if they decide to unlock everything over the next 9 days and then throw a few new things in at the last push as stretch goals again or for milestones such as $500k.

**inqscott**

730 hit I guess it's going to be ok after all.

**Alpharius**

inqscott wrote:
730 hit I guess it's going to be ok after all.

We might hit 730K on July 6th, but certainly not today!

**inqscott**

It's already done so now I guess we say success

**Azazelx**

I think he means the $430k stretch goal of "please start to unlock stuff now". The 7 must be a 4-typo.

**fullheadofhair**

You know the old saying about you only die when you paint all your mini's? Having been waiting for RH mini's right from the beginning I think the motto needs changing to "you only die when you actually recieve all your KS minis".

I just cannot see them getting all this done and mailed in anywhere near their deadline.

Reaper who have an excellent organization ended up being 4 months late (what am I going to do with those when they arrive in 3 days time!!!!) and I just cannot see RH being anywhere near as talented as Reaper in organizing things.

**Hulksmash**

I might hop back in on the $15 level and add a few bucks for either a troop unit, the tech priestess lady, or a mech once they unlock the others. I don't mind throwing a few bucks to them for what are hopefully stellar mini's.

I still don't like that they tried to play their consumer base at the beginning of the campaign but not enough to maybe not throw a little cash at them.

**Azazelx**

fullheadofhair wrote:
You know the old saying about you only die when you paint all your mini's? Having been waiting for RH mini's right from the beginning I think the motto needs changing to "you only die when you actually recieve all your KS minis".

I think that will turn out to be the other way around - you'll never receive all your KS minis before you die...

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Hulksmash wrote:
I might hop back in on the $15 level and add a few bucks for either a troop unit, the tech priestess lady, or a mech once they unlock the others. I don't mind throwing a few bucks to them for what are hopefully stellar mini's.

I still don't like that they tried to play their consumer base at the beginning of the campaign but not enough to maybe not throw a little cash at them.

Well, that's bitten them in the arse now, hasn't it? Hopefully they learn something from it for next time.

**Hulksmash**

It certainly bit them in the butt for around $135 from me since I'm now treating this like I did the Avatars of War campaign and investing in a single figure due to trust issues.

**Kroothawk**

Hulksmash wrote:
It certainly bit them in the butt for around $135 from me since I'm now treating this like I did the Avatars of War campaign and investing in a single figure due to trust issues.

Considering your posts, I am surprised that you ever had any trust

**Breotan**

fullheadofhair wrote:
You know the old saying about you only die when you paint all your mini's? Having been waiting for RH mini's right from the beginning I think the motto needs changing to "you only die when you actually recieve all your KS minis".

OMG! Either way... I AM IMMORTAL!!!

**LordHamshire**

I'm making a Tallarn army for Warhammer 40k and am planning to use these models. My company command squad will be all female except the commander.

Mimi the Radio Satellite Comlink - Vox-Castor Vet.
Mad Nurse Bernadette - Medi-pack Vet.
Punky Army Standard - Regimental Standard Vet.
Irina Vega Orbital Strike Commander - Master of Ordinance
Yaga Soul Weaver - Astropath
Jailbirds Artillery 01 - Lascannon Vets.

In addition I will use Cruz Heavy Gunner as Gunnery Sergeant Harker

and Nephahrya Necro Preistess as a sick Baneblade Pilot. With converting and green stuff she will be emerging from the tank hatch.

**Jimsolo**

Still mystified as to what people think they did that was so shady. *shrug* People can think whatever they want, of course, trust being a subjective emotion, but it hardly seems like Raging Heroes got bit in the butt at all. If they've got any oral marks, nearly half a million bucks seems to suggest that they're love bites.

**Hulksmash**

Kroothawk wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:
It certainly bit them in the butt for around $135 from me since I'm now treating this like I did the Avatars of War campaign and investing in a single figure due to trust issues.

Considering your posts, I am surprised that you ever had any trust

Putting a winky face at the end of it doesn't make it less of a dig, you know that right?

That and the fact that objective people that aren't in love with the product or producers can see they had issues from the get go including trying to play games during the intial spike. The fact that the first three individual models were 20k each and now we're getting them unlocked for free shows it pretty clearly too. Add in that looking at their organization from the same stand point could lead you to the conclusion that their estimated time to completion and production is a pipe dream (which I'll be happily surprised if it comes true).

I pledge early bird because I liked the look of the models. I didn't know anything about Raging Heroes outside of a few random figures before that. They showed me, as my first experience with their company, that they couldn't handle a kickstarter they had been planning for 6 months. They then proceeded to perform in a manner initially that would have gotten GW lynched.

Now, they have been successful as far as their funding goes. They may make an excellent product. But tell me, as a first time customer of a company you know nothing about, would you have been happy with this as your first experience?

I realize people have different views and expectations. And some are happy as things stand and that's fine. But first impressions for me matter greatly. I still like their product enough to test the waters with a $15 purchase (or more depending on what I want) but as a consumer they have a long way to go to make up for the poor first impression.

Try to keep the digs at people to a minimum. We know you love the product and company pretty much regardless but allow other people their opinion without needleling them.

**Jimsolo**

Hulksmash wrote:

That and the fact that objective people that aren't in love with the product or producers can see they had issues from the get go including trying to play games during the intial spike. The fact that the first three individual models were 20k each and now we're getting them unlocked for free shows it pretty clearly too. Add in that looking at their organization from the same stand point could lead you to the conclusion that their estimated time to completion and production is a pipe dream (which I'll be happily surprised if it comes true).

I pledge early bird because I liked the look of the models. I didn't know anything about Raging Heroes outside of a few random figures before that. They showed me, as my first experience with their company, that they couldn't handle a kickstarter they had been planning for 6 months. They then proceeded to perform in a manner initially that would have gotten GW lynched.

Now, they have been successful as far as their funding goes. They may make an excellent product. But tell me, as a first time customer of a company you know nothing about, would you have been happy with this as your first experience?

I realize people have different views and expectations. And some are happy as things stand and that's fine. But first impressions for me matter greatly. I still like their product enough to test the waters with a $15 purchase (or more depending on what I want) but as a consumer they have a long way to go to make up for the poor first impression.

This is my first experience giving them money too, and I've been nothing but pleased. I'm a little unclear (still) on what they did that you find so untrustworthy. I assume it's the moving of the stretch goals?

There were a few wink-wink-nudge-nudge posts in the early days of the KS that implied pretty clearly that all the unlocks would be done one way or another, so I understood, from the get-go, that rather than being some combination of carrot-and-stick to get us to give them more money, the 'unlocks' were forgone conclusions that were just to be revealed gradually. The change to free-unlocks-per-day tends to support that much more than it does a picture of some shysty fly-by-night operation.

They haven't been blowing up my inbox with pointless updates, either, which I appreciate. The freebies are nice, something I can find a use for, and the amount of money I'm saving by pledging to the KS rather than waiting for retail is very up-front. I haven't had any trouble understanding it.

I understand that first impressions matter, and I guess I'm just confused as to how we can be getting such vastly differing impressions from the same situation.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but is there some kind of additional information I'm lacking? I'm not attacking you, I'm just puzzled.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I dunno, I kind of like having flurries of updates. It shows me that the creators are active and involved, especially if they're more than just the "HEY! GIVE US MORE MONEY FOR THESE NEW THINGS!" type updates I seem to get far too often.

Dungeon Roll was a great one in this regard- the project designer was totally transparent, talking about production costs and values, art creation, backer input... he was really active with his community.

Things may have started rocky here but having things start getting unlocked more quickly is probably a good idea.

After all some of those new unlocks might drag my wallet out again once more.

**WolfStark**

New update coming soon.

**Buzzsaw**

4 UNLOCKED HEROINES
Update #27 · Jun 25, 2013 · comment

We had promised you today an image of the test 3D print we did for a Kurganova Shock Troops Heavy Trooper. However, we are waiting for other minis to come in to be able to make comparison shots. But we did not get them today, they are arriving tomorrow. And because we want to make this particular update chock full of info, we decided to wait so that all the info can be together. But please don't worry, all is working out just fine, and you'll get to see all the details tomorrow
We passed $430,000!

And so, 3 Heroines have been unlocked:

Ilsa Wolfenstein, Commander-in-Chief of the Iron Empire army
Lieutenant Drakkan of the Iron Storm Heavy Troopers
Volga Potemkine, the Kurganova army banner bearer

Meet Lady Sigrith, now unlocked

As promised in our previous update, we are now starting to unlock other miniatures every day, whatever happens number-wise.

And so, with this Update, we unlock Lady Sigrith, Great Embalmer of the Iron Empire. (Text continues below image)

Lady Sigrith ranks at the top of the Iron Empire aristocracy and is probably one of the most versed into the Aegyptian lore and mysteries. She is in charge of many funeral and necromantic tasks in the Iron Empire.

Lady Sigrith supervises the proper Embalming and Restoration of her dead compatriots, where Restoration is the process to bring a dead person back from death as a fully functioning Undead. Restoration is complex, long and costly, and so, not everybody can afford it.

Lady Sigrith is also in charge of scavenging enemy corpses on the battlefield and bringing them back to life as cyber-zombies, who will then complement the Iron Empire rank-and-file or act as bodyguards for high-ranking personalities.

The cyber-zombies are created through a much cruder process than the one used on the Iron Empire deceased citizens. And as much as some of the best 'Restored' Iron Empire citizens can pass for actual living humans, no such confusion could ever exist with the cyber-zombies, who look like disarticulated morbid puppets.

During battle, Lady Sigrith uses the different aspects of her necromantic powers to instantly revive some of the deceased before their soul has escaped, as well as reanimate enemy corpses for canon fodder, and more...

Do tell: what do you think you might do with this character?

**Jimsolo**

I know it's going to mean I have to take extra special care not to break them, but I love the models that have such delicate details on them (the unfurled scroll on lady Sigrith, the hair on Shashenka and Blondie). It's really going to make the minis stand out, I think.