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I think those iron empire girls would make great sisters of battle,mmm my aching wallet.

I am, and I already passed the link on to other heralds and sent it to team (no I haven't heard back) but the originator of an idea is ALWAYS going to explain it much better then someone with only second hand knowledge of the idea and it's desired outcome.

They have been extremely silent for the last few days... two pretty much irrelevant comments and then.. silence.

 -iPaint- wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
From the concept art, I was sure I needed to go for heavy infantry. Now though... I guess I'll just go regular. And as much as I'm not a big fan of the pickelhaub (spiked helmet?), I'm not super impressed by the KST heads.

And I was originally going to go KST until I saw the first round of helmet renders in one of the updates, then decided to go IE. Then I saw these latest renders, and (providing the side breast armor and coat lapel issue isn't resolved) have switched back to the KST. I still may do 1 box of IE, though.

I did a quick photoshop on the lapels to see how it'd look.


Full size here:
http://i.imgur.com/vIUuPxy.png

It really makes the breast cup armor pop less, and look less pronounced in turn. Much more realistic, as well.

~iPaint

That's really a fantastic job iPaint!

One of the reasons I have mentioned the lapels on the IE Troopers is that the way they currently look is so... digital. They remind me of in World of Warcraft, where armor and gear just disappears into other things. Your version is only a tiny change, but it really gives a solid, heavy feeling to their garments.


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RoninXiC wrote:
They have been extremely silent for the last few days... two pretty much irrelevant comments and then.. silence.

But, but... if they "wouldn't be available to answer questions, which I think is a bad idea"...

Hmmmm....

Maybe they're waiting to see just how the community reacts?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I am, and I already passed the link on to other heralds and sent it to team (no I haven't heard back) but the originator of an idea is ALWAYS going to explain it much better then someone with only second hand knowledge of the idea and it's desired outcome.

Really all they'd need to do is reverse how the lapels and armor interact with one another: currently, the armor is overlapping the cloth, when in reality the cloth would fold and lay on top of the armor. It doesn't make much sense the way it currently is...all of the troopers would essentially be tucking their coats underneath their chest armor, which seems silly. Hopefully they can make that change.

~iPaint

For feth's sake, Buzzsaw, will you please let me have some of my punchlines, just sometimes? Have an exalt.


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 -iPaint- wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I am, and I already passed the link on to other heralds and sent it to team (no I haven't heard back) but the originator of an idea is ALWAYS going to explain it much better then someone with only second hand knowledge of the idea and it's desired outcome.

Really all they'd need to do is reverse how the lapels and armor interact with one another: currently, the armor is overlapping the cloth, when in reality the cloth would fold and lay on top of the armor. It doesn't make much sense the way it currently is...all of the troopers would essentially be tucking their coats underneath their chest armor, which seems silly. Hopefully they can make that change.

~iPaint

It makes for a bigger "crack." As we say in French.

Sooo... yeah. The really seem to have gone into hibernation it seems. Nothing on Facebook since 10/12, Nothing in comments on KS since 10/11.

Certainly they are under no obligation to my specific criticisms, but as near as I can find they haven't responded in any form to anyone's critique.

But they waited with the update so they can immediately reply to comments!!!!!11111 :(

 shingouki wrote:
I think those iron empire girls would make great sisters of battle,mmm my aching wallet.

Indeed.. and they actually would finally look like they deserve a 3+ instead of the 5+ they look like now (If a deathworld cotton t-shirt is 6+, I assume head to toe leather should be worth 5+). Some of the jailbirds or even kurganova troopers would make for good female Warzone Free Marines as well. I do like the armor asymmetry on the female Kurg heavy trooper (special character?).

 warboss wrote:
Indeed.. and they actually would finally look like they deserve a 3+ instead of the 5+ they look like now (If a deathworld cotton t-shirt is 6+, I assume head to toe leather should be worth 5+).

Sisters are in head to toe power armor. How is that not a 3+? The 'leather' is stylistic and either over the power armor or metal made to look like corset, etc so on.

On topic though, I am really unsure about these. They do look cool but there's a lot of little things... Hmm.

 pretre wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Indeed.. and they actually would finally look like they deserve a 3+ instead of the 5+ they look like now (If a deathworld cotton t-shirt is 6+, I assume head to toe leather should be worth 5+).

Sisters are in head to toe power armor. How is that not a 3+? The 'leather' is stylistic and either over the power armor or metal made to look like corset, etc so on.

On topic though, I am really unsure about these. They do look cool but there's a lot of little things... Hmm.

They look like they're all in skin tight leather fetish outfits and the only "power" that armor looks like it has would be over a Guardman's libido. Their look has never matched the fluff nor the rules. Those Raging Heroes heavy not-german models though *LOOK* like they're in something worthy of a 3+ save.

 warboss wrote:
They look like they're all in skin tight leather fetish outfits and the only "power" that armor looks like it has would be over a Guardman's libido.

Umm, okay.
These are totally skin tight leather fetish outfits. :rolleyes:


and these aren't (edited since you want to talk about heavies):

I was referring to the heavy troopers which I thought was obvious but I guess that doesn't support your picture comparison so you assumed otherwise.

 warboss wrote:
I was referring to the heavy troopers which I thought was obvious but I guess that doesn't support your picture comparison so you assumed otherwise.

It's the same thing. Big boob plates, big pauldrons, crazy shoes. I don't get how SOB are skin tight leather fetish models when they're wearing the same thing basically. The only real difference is that iron empire have baggy pants instead of plate legs.

edit: I just grabbed the iron empire pic from this page. But just for you, I reupdated my post with the heavies.

Torso looks more heavily armored. But legs and arms are far more exposed. They look like they are in carapace, not power armor. They have shin guards and fore arm braces. Not fully articulated armor.

I am glad GW artist remembers the corset are cast metal

or maybe not.

Can we please not pretend sisters are not a bunch of sexual fetishes slapped together?

From the "corset" power armour with boobcaps, the hair, the leather boots shaped power armour boots and the "tango cut" tabard.

They are quite well designed for what they are actually and would be a fantastic cheasecake/ teaser design in the hands of a more daring/ capable manufacturer, but criticizing RH "oversexualised design" with them as an example is a pot calling a kettle twice.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am glad GW artist remembers the corset are cast metal

Yeah, because no black library artwork or publication has ever taken liberties.

Either way, I'll leave it alone since it is off topic for this thread. Continue without me.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Sooo... yeah. The really seem to have gone into hibernation it seems. Nothing on Facebook since 10/12, Nothing in comments on KS since 10/11.
Certainly they are under no obligation to my specific criticisms, but as near as I can find they haven't responded in any form to anyone's critique.

Par for the course, isn't it? They showed their level of willingness to interact with feedback during that singular troop render on the KS. The only appropriate reaction from the backer community (as they see it) should be awed silence, followed by endless praise.

RoninXiC wrote:
But they waited with the update so they can immediately reply to comments!!!!!11111 :(

Did they?

Yes. That's exactly what they said in one of their comments:

Loud'n Raging 6 days ago
5:31 AM - just about all the details have been sorted out, but there's at least another hour or two of work, and then, we'd post the Update but we wouldn't be available to answer questions, which I think is a bad idea. So, sending everyone home from some Zzzz's. More in a few hours...

As far as I can tell, they have not said anything for 5 full days... Zero on facebook, in the post or in the comments. And the last thing they said was "Sorry, we messed up the description of one of the pictures."

Again: Dissapointed not by their images, I think they rock, but by their freaking lack of communication.

FIVE DAYS?! What are they thinking? This could've been THE perfect oportunity to show all of us nagging naggers that they are absolutely capable of handling such a project..

I haven't heard from ANY ONE just to be clear. I'm not holding anything back on my end.

Peace, dude. We know.

But here's the real question. Has tumblr been updated?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Peace, dude. We know.

I wasn't being accusatory or feeling like I was being accused. Just wanted to emphasize and be clear

 cincydooley wrote:
But here's the real question. Has tumblr been updated?

Five days ago - http://ragingheroes.tumblr.com/

 BrookM wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
But here's the real question. Has tumblr been updated?

Five days ago - http://ragingheroes.tumblr.com/

That settles it. They might be dead.....

That's the only logical conclusion.

RoninXiC wrote:
Yes. That's exactly what they said in one of their comments:

Loud'n Raging 6 days ago
5:31 AM - just about all the details have been sorted out, but there's at least another hour or two of work, and then, we'd post the Update but we wouldn't be available to answer questions, which I think is a bad idea. So, sending everyone home from some Zzzz's. More in a few hours...

As far as I can tell, they have not said anything for 5 full days... Zero on facebook, in the post or in the comments. And the last thing they said was "Sorry, we messed up the description of one of the pictures."

I meant "did they answer questions?" I guess not, eh?

Clearly it's the only real possibility. I wonder what would happen if they dropped another massive update with the command boxes and a bunch of wave 1 heroines this weekend...

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Clearly it's the only real possibility. I wonder what would happen if they dropped another massive update with the command boxes and a bunch of wave 1 heroines this weekend...

The world would end.... Maybe.

I don't expect we'll find out.