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Holy gak yes, I have a few starters from Warmachine and I hate the material they used. Sure, it's not metal, wahey! But yeah, those mold lines and the spots where the vents were / are, fething hell, good luck getting those away nicely!

KalashnikovMarine wrote:The sheer amount of trash that gets talked in this thread and THAT is the comment that's over the line?

The mind, she boggles.

It was a leap from "Are there any really well detailed HIPS kits?" to "OMG Kingdom Death Sux!!!".

It was unnecessary, and more than a little puerile itself...

Also, if that boggles your mind, I can't believe you can handle the internet at all.

BrookM wrote:Some cows are more sacred than others I suppose.

I assume you are referring to me. I don't have any of those. If something is bad, by all means skewer it.

The comment I responded to was out of line, and off-topic. It just irritated me, that's all.

On that particular topic: KD and Wyrd plastics look great, detail-wise. But they still don't achieve the same level of detail as metal or resin. Getting ever closer, true. But not quite there.

~Eric

I want the General, army standard, and maybe a heavy gunner or two but I missed this one it seems.

 Taarnak wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:The sheer amount of trash that gets talked in this thread and THAT is the comment that's over the line?

The mind, she boggles.

It was a leap from "Are there any really well detailed HIPS kits?" to "OMG Kingdom Death Sux!!!".

It was unnecessary, and more than a little puerile itself...

Also, if that boggles your mind, I can't believe you can handle the internet at all.

BrookM wrote:Some cows are more sacred than others I suppose.

I assume you are referring to me. I don't have any of those. If something is bad, by all means skewer it.

The comment I responded to was out of line, and off-topic. It just irritated me, that's all.

On that particular topic: KD and Wyrd plastics look great, detail-wise. But they still don't achieve the same level of detail as metal or resin. Getting ever closer, true. But not quite there.

~Eric

It's a joke. The amount of smack-talk in this thread has been relentless from the get-go. Relentless. Just scan back over the last few pages. I shudder to think how much of this thread is repeated 'delicious' gifs, humorously offensive french comments, and 80% jokes. (Probably...80%?)

I'm sorry if I offended you, taarnak. I've been told that I lack sensitivity before. Probably because I'm french.

 Taarnak wrote:

BrookM wrote:Some cows are more sacred than others I suppose.

I assume you are referring to me. I don't have any of those. If something is bad, by all means skewer it.

The comment I responded to was out of line, and off-topic. It just irritated me, that's all.

On that particular topic: KD and Wyrd plastics look great, detail-wise. But they still don't achieve the same level of detail as metal or resin. Getting ever closer, true. But not quite there.

~Eric

Nah, it wasn't meant to be aimed solely at you, I'm pretty guilty of certain things myself. *points to custom title*

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some. These guys however, they still need to earn that right in my opinion, because of reasons, but that's just me, die-hard unforgiving I suppose.

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, do you mean, compared to how RH handles things?

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

I think it won't matter what I say, because you've already made up your mind about KD:M.

 Jimsolo wrote:

I'm sorry if I offended you, taarnak. I've been told that I lack sensitivity before. Probably because I'm french.

Not offended. Irritated.

I'm pretty hard to offend, but I have days when I am very easy to irritate...

Seriously no worries about offending me. You didn't.

I have seen lots and lots of (sometimes strenuous) criticism on this thread, but very little in the way of cheap shots, really. Is the thread somewhat negative in tone? Yup. Does RH have anyone to thank for that other than themselves? Nope.

Anyway, enough of this tangent from me.

~Eric

 Taarnak wrote:
Is the thread somewhat negative in tone?

It is approximately 80% negative, to be specific.

Thanks, Ouze. BrookM was slacking up lately.

Regarding the material, Alex. I think that if someone is going to do restic well, it'll be Raging Heroes. They should at least be aware that if they put out stuff comparable to Deadzone's orx, there will be hell to pay.

Yeah, you heard me right, I said something positive. Now get over it.

Alpharius wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, do you mean, compared to how RH handles things?

No, no, not necessarily. Just in general. But yeah, I suppose that would be a good place to start.

BrookM wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

I think it won't matter what I say, because you've already made up your mind about KD:M.

Honestly, if I had already made up my mind I wouldn't have asked. I've advised before on Dakka that there is never a point in an arguing with someone you aren't willing to give the chance to change your mind. I certainly have formed an opinion since first I was introduced to their stuff, but there are definitely users here on Dakka who's opinions and attitudes I respect enough to at least hear out. You and Alpharius are certainly in that boat. I may not always agree with what you guys think, but you're usually coming from a rational and understandable place.

The reason I asked you in specific is that you self-identified as a diehard supporter of KD, so I thought you'd have some very good reasons. I'd like to have less negativity in my life, so I'd be thrilled to have my mind changed on this topic.

 Jimsolo wrote:

Spoiler:

Alpharius wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, do you mean, compared to how RH handles things?

No, no, not necessarily. Just in general. But yeah, I suppose that would be a good place to start.

BrookM wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

I think it won't matter what I say, because you've already made up your mind about KD:M.

Honestly, if I had already made up my mind I wouldn't have asked. I've advised before on Dakka that there is never a point in an arguing with someone you aren't willing to give the chance to change your mind. I certainly have formed an opinion since first I was introduced to their stuff, but there are definitely users here on Dakka who's opinions and attitudes I respect enough to at least hear out. You and Alpharius are certainly in that boat. I may not always agree with what you guys think, but you're usually coming from a rational and understandable place.

The reason I asked you in specific is that you self-identified as a diehard supporter of KD, so I thought you'd have some very good reasons. I'd like to have less negativity in my life, so I'd be thrilled to have my mind changed on this topic.

Jim, I'm going to ask you something, and I want you to understand that I'm not making fun or trying to insult you: do you have some form of learning or cognitive disability?

I'm not asking to be rude, but because we've had this conversation before. I don't mean that in a general, round-about way, I mean that you and I had a virtually identical conversation about what KD:M does right and what RH is doing wrong in October of last year.

Again, not making fun: go read around page 145 of this thread and the sense of deja-vu is oppressive, down to you (Jim) making an almost identical slam at KD:M, and an almost identical apology. And your current request for more information on what is going wrong and what can be done right? Again, quite familiar.

I don't think you're trolling, it's just rather disconcerting to see such a similar conversation repeated with the same participants in the same thread just about 90 days after the first one. If I'm reading too much into this and you just forgot, then there you go, click on the links above for a re-run of the conversation.

In any case, it's interesting for anyone to go back and look at the state of comparison between KD:M (and other "good communication" campaigns) and RH. The state of them really... seems to be pretty much unchanged, or at least that's how I would read things.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

Spoiler:

Alpharius wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

Not sure if serious...

Anyway, do you mean, compared to how RH handles things?

No, no, not necessarily. Just in general. But yeah, I suppose that would be a good place to start.

BrookM wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I personally carry KD:M on my shoulders, because Adam does the right thing and then some.

On a non-humorous aside: can you define 'the right thing' in this case? Not needling, genuinely curious.

I think it won't matter what I say, because you've already made up your mind about KD:M.

Honestly, if I had already made up my mind I wouldn't have asked. I've advised before on Dakka that there is never a point in an arguing with someone you aren't willing to give the chance to change your mind. I certainly have formed an opinion since first I was introduced to their stuff, but there are definitely users here on Dakka who's opinions and attitudes I respect enough to at least hear out. You and Alpharius are certainly in that boat. I may not always agree with what you guys think, but you're usually coming from a rational and understandable place.

The reason I asked you in specific is that you self-identified as a diehard supporter of KD, so I thought you'd have some very good reasons. I'd like to have less negativity in my life, so I'd be thrilled to have my mind changed on this topic.

Jim, I'm going to ask you something, and I want you to understand that I'm not making fun or trying to insult you: do you have some form of learning or cognitive disability?

Spoiler:

I'm not asking to be rude, but because we've had this conversation before. I don't mean that in a general, round-about way, I mean that you and I had a virtually identical conversation about what KD:M does right and what RH is doing wrong in October of last year.

Again, not making fun: go read around page 145 of this thread and the sense of deja-vu is oppressive, down to you (Jim) making an almost identical slam at KD:M, and an almost identical apology. And your current request for more information on what is going wrong and what can be done right? Again, quite familiar.

I don't think you're trolling, it's just rather disconcerting to see such a similar conversation repeated with the same participants in the same thread just about 90 days after the first one. If I'm reading too much into this and you just forgot, then there you go, click on the links above for a re-run of the conversation.

In any case, it's interesting for anyone to go back and look at the state of comparison between KD:M (and other "good communication" campaigns) and RH. The state of them really... seems to be pretty much unchanged, or at least that's how I would read things.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Thanks, Ouze. BrookM was slacking up lately.

Keeping things delicious is a sensitive task that takes a lot of love, care and observation! 80% of the time I'm not sure if I should do it, lest I turn this into a shamefully overdone thing.

Back too the subject at hand I was one of the RH heralds, which basically was me asking them questions and waiting for answers.

Since the KS ended its like they forgot about that. I even offered to set up a sub Reddit for them but no answer. I also added on about 80 dollars via PayPal last week. So it's still possible to pledge

They won't be needing their Heralds again until two or so months from now when they need you to fetch them more money.

The herald program was I think a major failing of the campaign and post-campaign. It's a great idea on paper, recruit individuals to basically do street team work and increase overall communication, but the communication was so lacking there really wasn't anything for us to do besides be another position in a game of telephone.

Aye, it could have worked and it was a great concept, but they killed it their selves.

 BrookM wrote:
They won't be needing their Heralds again until two or so months from now when they need you to fetch them more money.

I truly hope they finish this one first.

Well, we already did our "calling it now" schtick...

Well, they did answer questions on KS today. There will be a forum to discuss future projects, apparently. And at the cost of their 3D prints, 54mm versions of those minis would be outside of a lot of people's range to purchase. Although judging from the money spent on KS alone last year... I'm not so sure about that one. Afficionados abound.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, they did answer questions on KS today. There will be a forum to discuss future projects, apparently. And at the cost of their 3D prints, 54mm versions of those minis would be outside of a lot of people's range to purchase. Although judging from the money spent on KS alone last year... I'm not so sure about that one. Afficionados abound.

That big ass space marine Forge World sells is expensive as hell, isn't it? People sure seem to like buying that.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, they did answer questions on KS today. There will be a forum to discuss future projects, apparently. And at the cost of their 3D prints, 54mm versions of those minis would be outside of a lot of people's range to purchase. Although judging from the money spent on KS alone last year... I'm not so sure about that one. Afficionados abound.

Still they do seem to ignore emails or the many posts on FB on their own page. I do no not see them being more talkative on a forum they maintain/ own.

Don't get me wrong I love RH I just feel that they need to interact more.

migooo wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, they did answer questions on KS today. There will be a forum to discuss future projects, apparently. And at the cost of their 3D prints, 54mm versions of those minis would be outside of a lot of people's range to purchase. Although judging from the money spent on KS alone last year... I'm not so sure about that one. Afficionados abound.

Still they do seem to ignore emails or the many posts on FB on their own page. I do no not see them being more talkative on a forum they maintain/ own.

Don't get me wrong I love RH I just feel that they need to interact more.

I actually chat with Mareille from the studio quite frequently on FB. The big thing that always comes up is how completely overwhelmed they are with the workload. The KS was really never supposed to blow up that big, and the little 3-person team that was running the studio at the time found themselves buried under the weight of correspondence that was pouring in every day. So basically, they're not all that talkative with a the bulk of the fans because they can't afford to take that much time away from the actual work of rendering all the models and dealing with the huge expansion of their business model that the KS success required of them. I imagine that a year from now they'll look back and say it was worth it, but right now they're getting their asses kicked.

Tl;dr: They can't really talk due to work load.

 bossfearless wrote:
The KS was really never supposed to blow up that big,

They were promising 150 sculpts from day one. It was always supposed to be this big.

Thanks for reporting that. I wish them the best I truly do.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 bossfearless wrote:
The KS was really never supposed to blow up that big,

They were promising 150 sculpts from day one. It was always supposed to be this big.

Yeah, this seems to be a case of "They made their beds, now they have to lie in them." The scope was always big, and the fact they added so many extra things near the end didn't really help much. This is one of the reasons why I'd rather see them develop one range per Kickstarter project. This would allow a bit of overlap between the creation, production, and distribution phases, and allow them to focus on one group of minis at a time. It also means people looking to get the full range in one wave can do so, as opposed to having three armies to choose from but potentially only 1/3 of the models are available at a wave release.

Kickstarter for Sci-Fi Sisters of Eternal Mercy
Kickstarter for Sci-Fi Dark Elves
Kickstarter for Fantasy Sisters of Eternal Mercy
Kickstarter for Fantasy Dark Elves

They need to be one or two steps ahead of each new KS - ie, ready to go to printing and test casting within a few months of KS ending, so they can then focus on the next project and their sculptors are freed up to continue on the next project. It's what they've had their concept artist doing since TGG ended, and now the only hold up is the 3D modeling due to the sheer numbers of models involved. Cut the number of sculpts down by a third, and this project would have had a good chance of shipping by now. They could have been getting ready for the next KS and launching it as soon as the shipping began for the first. Sure, fewer models per KS, less funds, but it allows people to get the minis they want quicker and not worry about the other stuff they're not interested in, and allows the new range of KS-funded models to go to retail sooner for those who didn't back the project.

It's the approach Tre Manor is recently taking with his projects, and what Mantic has been doing for some time now (at a much larger scale, though they still did wave shipping) Also, they've both had models ready to show during their KS's, which is nice.

RH would need to be working on 3D models right now for the next KS in order to keep the "dead time" to a minimum. I'm not sure they are going to do that though. I really don't think they have a second Kickstarter project in them for this year - but if they do, count on it being run in a similar manner. 4 armies this time, though, by my best guess based on their teasers throughout this campaign. And about the same amount of time to wait (I'd imagine by then they'd have a process worked out and sculpts could be completed quicker than TGG) for delivery.

~iPaint

Reposting the comment by RH from the KS comments in hopes one of the local Francophones can tell us if the secret of the sauce is hidden in the French...

Loud'n Raging wrote:Thank you all for your supportive words! They do go a long way to keep this project exciting for the team to work on. And as every gamer knows, a boost in morale usually leads to better results!
And here's some specific feedback:
@Lapin_Blanc: Dès qu'on a un moment, on va créer un forum Raging Heroes où ce sera pratique de commenter sur le futurs projets. En attendant, vous pouvez envoyer des mails, ou alors commenter directement sur notre blog, où les TGG Updates sont répercutés http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news
@Eorl: Thanks for sharing the link!
@kebab hunter: Bien vu! Effectivement, les rendus des Command Groups ont été effectués avec une version non-définitive des armures. Cela sera corrigé pour le Pledge Manager.
@Daniel B: That's a great idea and, to tell you the truth, it was one of our original goals when we launched Raging Heroes. However, the type of printer we use to get the super high level of detail you've become familiar with in Raging Heroes' minis is about 10 times more expensive then a regular 3D print, which would mean that 54mm 3D print would be way, way out of just about anybody's price range. And also, as much as we would like to make this on-demand service, at this point in time, it would be too much of a drag on the resources of our small team. But this is definitely something we are keeping in mind for the future, when 3D printing costs go down.
@Andy Goodchild @Michael "4ier" Telford:[sic]Punky does have an alternative weapon, where Punky aims a pistol in a sort of gansta / John Woo style, which totally fits her personality.

Google Translate seems to have done a good job on this one:

@ Lapin_Blanc: Once we have a moment, we will create a Raging Heroes forum where it will be convenient to comment on future plans. In the meantime, you can send email, or else directly comment on our blog, where TGG Updates are passed http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news
@ Eorl: Thanks for sharing the link!
@ kebab hunter: Well done! Indeed, the records (renders?) of the Command Groups were conducted with a non-final version of the armor. This will be corrected for the Pledge Manager.