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Buzzsaw wrote:Right now it looks like the two (entirely predictable) problems are that some of the sculpts (surprise!) look different enough from the concepts that people are changing their minds.

I will say that the IE Mecha is substantially different.
Concept,

Spoiler:

Renders,

Spoiler:

This is one example where, contra their usual, the look and feel of the model really seems dramatically changed from the concepts. The Death Mask in the concept is unobtrusive and doesn't register at all in the way that the render shows, where it is so large that it almost completely obscures the body.

What about Ludmilla? Maybe I am terribly wrong, but didn't her conceptual cybernetic leg suddenly grow back? Or did I see wrong that it was a prosthetic? (Not to mention the pose looked much more stable on the sketch)

BrookM wrote:And still no Wolfenstein.

I took a risk on that one, but considering it's mostly for fun (And to recreate the glorious DoWC IG commander), since IG commanders can't have claws anyway (for shame!), I don't think they can ruin it for me.

Na, they changed ludmilla quite a bit.

The IE Mech is a huge dissapointment... I'm now trying to get my order changed.

But, but, aren't you un-hello with them now?

Yeah, but at least they are still sending out my miniatures in 2016. Probably the last package they're going to send... but meh.

So, we finally got some more renders.

I think Nepharya will now go onto the pledge as well, looking quite good. Elektra's spare head just reminds me of Angleina from Sky Captain, which is probably what they were going for. The other two are nothing special, in my opinion.

As for the support, I quite like the IE artillery, but given I'm aiming mostly for JB troops their crew would be out of place and it'd mean adding more onto my pledge to do what I was planning. Not sold on the mecha, it was originally on my list, after we saw the concept art, but came off a few months ago, think it'll be staying off now. The bikes are still meh, the join to the front wheel is still too low (not the only issue) but at least the IE ones are saved a little by the guard over the top.

The weapons are the few things that I really wanted to see. I was hoping that some of them would be a little larger, but I can work with what's there. Though the heavy gun that the KST Regular Command is sporting on the PM appears to be missing, there's nothing that quite matches it.

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Thargan 21 minutes ago

@Jan: Don't forget that the final sculpts are very very close to the concept art... it's just not always the concept art that we saw during the funding period.

I couldn't resist, that has to be the worst argument I have ever seen, although I'm pretty sure that's not true and there is no other concept art. "Here, give us money for these things!" "Surprise, you actually bought these things!"

Gah.

prankster wrote:
The bikes are still meh, the join to the front wheel is still too low (not the only issue) but at least the IE ones are saved a little by the guard over the top.

Oh dear, I didn't even notice before that post, that the wheel axis DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE WHEEL. What.

Paid for shipping... still see shipping Credit as my only option. No response so far.

Haljin wrote:

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Thargan 21 minutes ago

@Jan: Don't forget that the final sculpts are very very close to the concept art... it's just not always the concept art that we saw during the funding period.

I couldn't resist, that has to be the worst argument I have ever seen, although I'm pretty sure that's not true and there is no other concept art. "Here, give us money for these things!" "Surprise, you actually bought these things!"

Gah.

That's...bad.

But, who is "Thargan"?

I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's some random schmoe. It has the ring of idiocy I would expect from the common masses (of a given project's backers).

Even by RH's somewhat questionable communication standards, that's just too daffy of a statement.

 Krinsath wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's some random schmoe. It has the ring of idiocy I would expect from the common masses (of a given project's backers).

Even by RH's somewhat questionable communication standards, that's just too daffy of a statement.

Oh no, it's just some random person. If RH stated something like that I think we'd be getting the pitchforks by now.

Of course, this might not be too far from truth.

Edit: Yeah, he was being sarcastic it seems, but I wasn't quite sure of that when I saw it first. We've seen a lot of strange justifications for RH''s actions.

 Alpharius wrote:

Haljin wrote:

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Thargan 21 minutes ago

@Jan: Don't forget that the final sculpts are very very close to the concept art... it's just not always the concept art that we saw during the funding period.

I couldn't resist, that has to be the worst argument I have ever seen, although I'm pretty sure that's not true and there is no other concept art. "Here, give us money for these things!" "Surprise, you actually bought these things!"

Gah.

That's...bad.

But, who is "Thargan"?

I think the follow up makes it a little clearer that it's supposed to be poking fun at the various changes we've seen:

Thargan about 4 hours ago

@Paweł : I was simply commenting on the various changes that we've seen that don't fit with the original concept. I've no idea whether or not RH have super secret concepts as part of their super secret workflow process.

You'd think the regulars in this thread would be better at recognizing sarcasm directed at RH...

 Krinsath wrote:
You'd think the regulars in this thread would be better at recognizing sarcasm directed at RH...

Not in the comment section. Each time people try to make some criticism there's always those few voices that say what horrible party poopers you are for ruining the amazing atmosphere of self indulgence.

That used to be the case, though over the past 4-6 weeks there's been a general change in attitude. There's still the die hards who praise everything, but they don't shout people down as much as they used to.

Why should we?

This whole KS is so F'd up from all perspectives after all...

Some people though, drank a lot of the koolaid.

prankster wrote:
The bikes are still meh, the join to the front wheel is still too low (not the only issue) but at least the IE ones are saved a little by the guard over the top.

The bikes are going for the (real life) aesthetic below. Not my favorite, but I'm sure it's fine for those that like it.

I saw the new renders, got on their chat, got a couple of the new models added to my order, with no fuss or hassle. Took maybe five minutes chatting with "harry the hippo".

I have to say, my experience with these guys has been anything but unpleasant. Sorry that the rest of you aren't having a good time.

skarsol wrote:

prankster wrote:
The bikes are still meh, the join to the front wheel is still too low (not the only issue) but at least the IE ones are saved a little by the guard over the top.

The bikes are going for the (real life) aesthetic below. Not my favorite, but I'm sure it's fine for those that like it.

Because *that* is what you want on the battlefield.

lets be honest...bikes in general are a ridiculous concept in the battlefield. and the RH bikes do at least have the appropriate huge mounted guns on them.

Are any of us buying these miniatures cause they are "realistic"?

I don't buy bikes for my armies. You're right that they are a ridiculous concept.

I buy most of what I buy because they don't stretch my suspension of disbelief *that* far.

streeeeeeeeeetch that belief.

I'm getting one cause I want a biked chaos lord because the internets tell me they are unstoppable and everything the internets say is true.

I'm a free thinker

Might as well get a Vorreiter (sp?) from Warzone.

But yes, Nurgle Biker Lords (can't wait to see that biker gangs' patches) are nigh unstoppable. The cost of field those however is a segment of your friendbase.

I will open my mind, but whosoever shall help me put my brains back in when they fall out?

So, not liking the mecha, but Nepharya looks better than I expected.

Just jumped on the chat and was able to drop the mecha, added another Nepharya, the Wolfenstein I forgot to order originally and an artillery piece.

The live chat thing does seem to be quite helpful!

Yep, whatever other faults there have been with this campaign, I have to say that was the quickest, most painless way I've ever changed a pledge after 'completion'.

Credit where its due, the chat seems to be working rather well.

On the other hand, if the pledge manager wasn't so clunky, we probably wouldn't have needed it. I'd rather have them working on the sculpts than fixing people's carts.

So I contacted the team like a few of you guys because I'd already confirmed my pledge but I decided I didn't want Ludmilla over Nepharya

Commander Elektra
One Shot Blondie
Karmina Noxx
Volga Potemkine
Snipers
Nepharya (Necro Priestess)
General Ilsa Wolfenstein
Werewolves (Zagrath and Vankaree)
10 girl KST Heavy squad

So as I said I emailed in and Ana had me sorted out inside of forty minutes. "Oh sure! I'll manually remove Ludmilla and add the resin Nepharya you wanted, and then I'll send you an invoice for $10" extremely fast, very polite, wonderful experience in a KS for me.

So... why did they close the PM?
Why are we logged in?

Changing stuff around seems absolutely fine.

THAN WHY THE F ARE WE STILL FORCED TO DO IT?

It's still open until tomorrow though.