Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Fact of the matter is the supplement was listed on the price list the my FLGS recieved for the Eldar release. As of yesterday, my store had about 5 books waiting for the individuals that had preordered it to pick up. No extras at this time.
One thing to note is the store I frequent has a direct trade agreement with GW instead of going through a distributor. This can make all the difference in product availablity on short runs until they have another print run...

Manchu I was told on wednesday that my LGS was unable to order it yet and they didn't know what the hold up was, I then called three other game stores, which are all more than 50 miles from my location to check if they had a copy in stock. They all said the same thing, no and we dont know what is taking the distributor so long getting it to them.

(Edit: And yes I had it preordered with the flgs)

Mind you that is four stores all in the same profession all saying the same thing. So I broke down and called a GW store where I was told they didn't have a copy onhand but I could go to the website and they would get it to the store in 3 days or less if I ordered it.

And that is how I finally ended up on the website and thus learned that it is in fact unavailable, but also direct order only.

Swabby wrote:
Manchu I was told on wednesday that my LGS was unable to order it

You mean two days ago? But the book was listed as direct only as soon as it was available for preorder.

Swabby wrote:
called a GW store where I was told they didn't have a copy onhand but I could go to the website and they would get it to the store in 3 days or less if I ordered it.

And that employee is correct except that the book is now temporarily out of stock.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Swabby wrote:
(Edit: And yes I had it preordered with the flgs)

So that's a problem with your LGS. Even if they thought they could get it in, they could have known this wasn't going to be the case before release and should have contacted you so that you could make other arrangements.

Well, I have a copy of the supplement and it is excellent.

Very good quality and is very good, but there are a couple of problems:

1: It's a Mat Ward book, (soz if already mentioned)

2: It's true, Wraithknight's can be warlords and the warlord traits are ridiculous.

But overall it is nasty and great if you want an Iyanden army, and a great way for GW to go as it may cost more money, but dang I could do a 600pt Iyanden army with a wraithknight as warlord!

Also, be wary, there is a 2+ "ward" save mentioned. Prob a special "Mat Ward" save.

Manchu wrote:So that's a problem with your LGS. Even if they thought they could get it in, they could have known this wasn't going to be the case before release and should have contacted you so that you could make other arrangements.

Four non GW game stores all had the exact same issue. This was not just my FLGS and the issue is more than just their fault. The GW guy didnt even know they were out, this is a communication issue on GWs part.

Yeah, like I already said, every LGS has an interest in assuming and having customers assume an upcoming product a customer wants will not be direct only. And, again, I also planned to get my copy from a LGS. But I followed the release closely and so even though the supplement turned out to be online only I still have a copy on its way to me.

So are you saying GW lied to the LGSs in your area? Are you saying that the GW employee lied to you?

About the GW employee, you should also take into account how much time passed between your conversation with him and when you accessed GW's website. Also, I'm not surprised that one of GW's brick and mortar people was not aware of the current remaining stock of a online only product. I would guess he only has the exact same resource as you to find out, i.e., the GW website.

All this lashing out at GW is beside the point. All you needed to do was check a website before the release date.

Swabby wrote:

Manchu wrote:So that's a problem with your LGS. Even if they thought they could get it in, they could have known this wasn't going to be the case before release and should have contacted you so that you could make other arrangements.

Four non GW game stores all had the exact same issue. This was not just my FLGS and the issue is more than just their fault. The GW guy didnt even know they were out, this is a communication issue on GWs part.

That's funny. All of our LGSs knew that the Iyaden supplement would be online only and told us so when we made our ore orders.

Funny how that works.

Manchu wrote:

Swabby wrote:
How is not having enough supply to meet demand anyone but GWs fault? Also the ill informed part was trusting the information handed down by my local stores. Not one of them was aware it was direct order only.

Meeting demand is trickier than you appear to imagine.

Also, every LGS has an interest in assuming and letting costumers assume a product is not direct order.

As for me, I also figured I would buy it from a LGS. But I kept checking GW's site to make sure it wasn't direct order only.

So the difference between my Iyanden book being on its way to my house and yours not being available yet really has nothing to do with GW.

At this point I can't believe that the stock issues are anything other than either intentional or the result of huge incompetence.

Death From the Skies? Reasonable, that was a somewhat niche release and not a major book, it's understandable they had low stock.

I forget if the Daemons had stock issues, but then the Tau? Ehh it's a little strange they didn't see that level of demand coming, but still forgivable I guess.

The main Eldar release? Unacceptable. They've had several releases already where stock has been an issue and they did nothing to account for this fact. I preordered from Frontline and only just got my codex this morning, and my models are still MIA. They had to split shipments since they got in books but no models.

Now with the supplement, it's completely unreasonable to say they were taken by surprise at the volume of orders. They've had plenty of time to fire whoever was in charge of quantity of new releases and hire someone who can do the job, and they're having the same problems they were like half a year ago.

Don't confuse measuring demand with GW's increasingly cold policy toward the LGS. The issue of LGSs getting models is not what we're talking about here.

On one hand, we can ask whether GW made it clear to LGSs that the Iyanden supplement was direct only. So far we don't have enough info ITT to say.

On the other hand, we can ask how accurately GW can predict demand on a book like the Iyanden supplement. My main point here is, even if GW has a pretty good idea I don't think it's fair to hold them accountable for the frustration of people who specifically plan not to order online a product that is only available online.

And of course the original point is, it's a book that will probably be reprinted soon so just be patient.

 Manchu wrote:
Don't confuse measuring demand with GW's increasingly cold policy toward the LGS. The issue of LGSs getting models is not what we're talking about here.

Just remember that the 'cold policy' is bringing the US retailers inline with the British ones, who've been given the gakky end of the stick by GW for decades. It was all part of Kirby's tour of the colonies, to bring them to heel like he's done in the motherland.

"Fear will keep the local systems in line..." T.Kirby, to the US senior managers, on arrival at his fully operational battle bunker.

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
Also, be wary, there is a 2+ "ward" save mentioned. Prob a special "Mat Ward" save.

Ba-dum, tiss! You just made this entire thread worthwhile.

tdwg83 wrote:Fact of the matter is the supplement was listed on the price list the my FLGS recieved for the Eldar release. As of yesterday, my store had about 5 books waiting for the individuals that had preordered it to pick up. No extras at this time.
One thing to note is the store I frequent has a direct trade agreement with GW instead of going through a distributor. This can make all the difference in product availablity on short runs until they have another print run...

This. Both my LGS owners had copies, and both work directly with GW.

cincydooley wrote:

Swabby wrote:

Manchu wrote:So that's a problem with your LGS. Even if they thought they could get it in, they could have known this wasn't going to be the case before release and should have contacted you so that you could make other arrangements.

Four non GW game stores all had the exact same issue. This was not just my FLGS and the issue is more than just their fault. The GW guy didnt even know they were out, this is a communication issue on GWs part.

That's funny. All of our LGSs knew that the Iyaden supplement would be online only and told us so when we made our ore orders.

Funny how that works.

This. There are just a few people blowing up about basically not making the decision to read that it would be Direct Only.

To the guy who ordered from Frontline: that may be on Frontline's distributor, not GW. I haven't encountered anyone who's had problems getting their Eldar. That's a bit of an oddity, and I hope you get your stuff soon!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
"Fear will keep the local systems in line..." T.Kirby, to the US senior managers, on arrival at his fully operational battle bunker.

Grad Moff Kirby, I like it!

It really is annoying to me, not so much that they couldnt meet demand, but that their employees seemed outright uninformed. At the local GW store the manager seemed pretty confident in the release and said he was sure that they would get some, but it ended up that they didn't receive any, even when people placed orders for it.

Since I play at a LGS more frequently and because I support it more. I ordered my copy there, but it still hasn't turned up. Either it is an issue with demand or GW cant communicate effectively with its other branches (let alone independent game stores) and now they are shooting themselves in the foot with poor planing.

Thanks for sharing DJ. At least I know I am not alone here.

If the problem was with GW, then it is more likely that all LGSs would have thought they were getting the books. Since some did and some did not, it seems more likely the problem is with the LGSs that were incorrect. Unless you are assuming that GW told LGSs different things. While that's not impossible, it's not the simplest explanation. And again, it's not like a LGS has no interest in assuming they can sell you a product especially when they know they can blame GW for a flawed assumption and certain customers are apparently eager to buy into such explanations.

Anyway, I did receive my copy today (technically yesterday) and IMO it will be worth the wait for you guys if you're into Iyanden fluff. From what I've read so far, it's pretty engaging. It fleshes them out a lot, listing background material and heraldry for various houses of Iyanden among other things.

Glad to hear you enjoy the extra background material. I like how wraith constructs from different houses don't tend to get along with each other. Eldar: even in death our arrogance is strong.

 Manchu wrote:
If the problem was with GW, then it is more likely that all LGSs would have thought they were getting the books. Since some did and some did not, it seems more likely the problem is with the LGSs that were incorrect. Unless you are assuming that GW told LGSs different things. While that's not impossible, it's not the simplest explanation. And again, it's not like a LGS has no interest in assuming they can sell you a product especially when they know they can blame GW for a flawed assumption and certain customers are apparently eager to buy into such explanations.

Anyway, I did receive my copy today (technically yesterday) and IMO it will be worth the wait for you guys if you're into Iyanden fluff. From what I've read so far, it's pretty engaging. It fleshes them out a lot, listing background material and heraldry for various houses of Iyanden among other things.

I am willing to bet that GW just didnt tell anyone anything about their web exclusive and considering the proximity to the other eldar codex which was not a web exclusive everyone probably thought that book was coming as well. I realize you are swinging responsibility at the game stores but really no matter what it is a result of GWs shoddy business practices. This web exclusive stuff is junk, even moreso than the supply issues.

Swabby wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If the problem was with GW, then it is more likely that all LGSs would have thought they were getting the books. Since some did and some did not, it seems more likely the problem is with the LGSs that were incorrect. Unless you are assuming that GW told LGSs different things. While that's not impossible, it's not the simplest explanation. And again, it's not like a LGS has no interest in assuming they can sell you a product especially when they know they can blame GW for a flawed assumption and certain customers are apparently eager to buy into such explanations.

Anyway, I did receive my copy today (technically yesterday) and IMO it will be worth the wait for you guys if you're into Iyanden fluff. From what I've read so far, it's pretty engaging. It fleshes them out a lot, listing background material and heraldry for various houses of Iyanden among other things.

I am willing to bet that GW just didnt tell anyone anything about their web exclusive and considering the proximity to the other eldar codex which was not a web exclusive everyone probably thought that book was coming as well. I realize you are swinging responsibility at the game stores but really no matter what it is a result of GWs shoddy business practices. This web exclusive stuff is junk, even moreso than the supply issues.

Again, you're simply wrong. All three of the LGSs in my are that regularly have GW preorders knew they wouldn't be able to get these books through their normal distribution means. They were able to order them direct for customers, just like you could online, but thy were knew during preorders they couldn't get they Iyaden book.

 Manchu wrote:
If the problem was with GW, then it is more likely that all LGSs would have thought they were getting the books. Since some did and some did not, it seems more likely the problem is with the LGSs that were incorrect. Unless you are assuming that GW told LGSs different things. While that's not impossible, it's not the simplest explanation. And again, it's not like a LGS has no interest in assuming they can sell you a product especially when they know they can blame GW for a flawed assumption and certain customers are apparently eager to buy into such explanations.

Anyway, I did receive my copy today (technically yesterday) and IMO it will be worth the wait for you guys if you're into Iyanden fluff. From what I've read so far, it's pretty engaging. It fleshes them out a lot, listing background material and heraldry for various houses of Iyanden among other things.

Except, like all things Mat Ward touches, they destroyed the fluff/background. He's terrible. Seeing as GW is so protective of their IP and "lore", I can't believe they let that hack anywhere near it. Also $60(Can) for 2 pages of rules is ridiculous, to say the least. If this is the future for codexes to have these supplements, I am curious how many people will be willing to shell out $120(Can) for books to run an army. And I thought paying $60 for a codex was bad....

Not every one is in it just for the gaming rules. Some people actually like reading new background - Why dont you complain the Horus Heresy Books Black Library have no rules?

 Aeon wrote:
Not every one is in it just for the gaming rules. Some people actually like reading new background - Why dont you complain the Horus Heresy Books Black Library have no rules?

They aren't being sold as a RULES supplement, are they?

Nocturnus wrote:

 Aeon wrote:
Not every one is in it just for the gaming rules. Some people actually like reading new background - Why dont you complain the Horus Heresy Books Black Library have no rules?

They aren't being sold as a RULES supplement, are they?

Technically It's a suppliment to Codex: Eldar. Supplimenting both the rules and the fluff.

It is not sold as a RULES suppliment.

Can anyone tell me if Iyanden's rules make wraithguard troops by default, or you still have to get at least one Spiritseer?

 ibushi wrote:
Can anyone tell me if Iyanden's rules make wraithguard troops by default, or you still have to get at least one Spiritseer?

You still need a Spiritseer.

I got to say that I had this book since the iPad release and while some of the rules are ok, the fluff is outstanding.

By far the best fluff in ages.

Downside was the cost.

Codex Eldar has 16 pages general fluff on Eldar, Codex Iyanden has 27 pages just on Iyanden!
I have only read a quarter of it yet, but I must say it is good.
Either Mat Ward has improved and listened to feedback, or Jes Goodwin wrote another Eldar background without being credited for it.

Concerning rules: Most pages with rules are scenarios for standard and non-standard games, but I haven't read them yet.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Codex Eldar has 16 pages general fluff on Eldar, Codex Iyanden has 27 pages just on Iyanden!
I have only read a quarter of it yet, but I must say it is good.
Either Mat Ward has improved and listened to feedback,

A stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Codex Eldar has 16 pages general fluff on Eldar, Codex Iyanden has 27 pages just on Iyanden!
I have only read a quarter of it yet, but I must say it is good.

I agree, I think it builds upon the existing background very well and definately gives Iyanden a unique feel and place in the 40k universe.

I would like more rules.. but the missions -- typo ( ? I think ) aside seem fun.. not sure of the replay value of some of them.

Very reminiscent of the battle missions ones or the ones they published in WD alongside the SW and BA releases.

Mat Wards fluff works (as it always does) because he puts the individuals (heroes, villains, whatever) front and centre.

Mat Wards tells you the story of Iyanden by telling you the story of the fights, noble deeds, petty feuds, triumphs and defeats of a set of characters... Yriel, Farseer Kelmon, Iyanna Arienal, etc..

It's the same reason the Horus Heresy is such a fan-favourite (and so much better than "the great Space Marine civil war"). It tells incisive "historic" events through the trials and decisions of individuals, larger-than-life-perhaps, but relateable.

That is something the other writers, first among them Phail Kelly with his mind-numbingly dull "history-book-style" of writing have yet to realize.

That is why Ward is the best Codex writer when it comes to fluff. Always has been; (most likely) always will be.