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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/04 19:32:43
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Drager wrote:cadbren wrote:Drager wrote:Korm wrote:Why is this such an issue for people? Would it really be so terrible if they were all Caucasian?
Yeah it would. It is immersion breaking for many, including myself, to have everyone one ethnicity. Further it is really racist to make everyone Caucasian, more so because Caucasians are in the more powerful positions surrounding the hobby, due to problems with societal racism.
Caucasians dominate, you racist twit, because the hobby was created in a country whose native population is caucasian and the vast majority of the initial customer base was caucasian. As far as I know, the majority of the current customer base is still caucasian. So go take your anti-caucasian biases elsewhere.
You really don't get it do you?
Also are you calling me racist? Against Caucasians?
Are you honestly saying that there isn't any racism against whites or that they have no right to be offended when they're the targets of racism?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/04 19:35:15
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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I think you guys need to calm down.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/04 20:08:21
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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Seconding Purple here - This is neither the time nor the place for racism allegations - The Internet WILL fuel your anger and it is NOT the best method of communication to convey your thoughts. For the good of this otherwise polite thread - DESIST.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/04 22:31:00
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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While you're calming down, or just for general further reading on that particular topic, I suggest you look up intersectionality. The wikipedia article focuses on intersectionality as it applies to the feminist perspective, but it can also be applied to racially sensitive issues as well. Othering might also be a good topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/05 15:47:15
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Sinewy Scourge
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TL,DR
Seems people are largely dodging the question so I'll get right to it.
Salamanders are whichever black you prefer. Literal or African.
White Scars are indeed Mongoloid.
Crimson Fists are Hispanic.
Space Wolves are Norse
I'm not sure about ALL Dark angels, but I know Deathwing Terminators are Native American. GW clarified that when asked why they wear feathers.
Those are the only ones I'm aware of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/05 18:25:11
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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^This guy, he has the right of it.
The fluff is there simply to make the in-game universe interesting and it's developed simply along the personal tastes of the creators of the game, such as red flaming eyes and black skin in the case of Salamanders. However, there is absolutely no clause, whatsoever that says you are law bound to follow the fluff because that's how GW presents it. If you don't like it, invent some new fluff for it. The hobby is your choice, do with it as you will - enjoy it!
That's all I have to say on the matter because IMHO this thread is becoming rather jaded, with many people adding in content that has already been debated. I'm not even sure the OP is even reading any of this anyway, so the point is pretty moot except to fuel our own theories, and, in some peoples case, rage!
As a sidenote, probably a dumb one, but I've encountered TL,DR before - I don't even know what it means, can anybody clarify this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/05 19:09:07
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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[DCM]
Marshall of the Hagalaz Crusade
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[Too Long; Didn't Read] if I remember correctly.
Archonate wrote:TL,DR
I'm not sure about ALL Dark angels, but I know Deathwing Terminators are Native American. GW clarified that when asked why they wear feathers.
Deathwing = Native Americans is not entirely correct. Read the story "Deathwing" for the complete picture. In Essence:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/08 22:27:02
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Crimson Fists don't really seem to be Hispanic in the sense that the term is used here in the U.S. They seem to owe more to Imperial Spain (putting their inspiration in a similar time and place to their Prussian parent legion) then to anything having to do with Latin America.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 21:18:54
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Celestial Lions or whats left of them are black.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/13 22:39:01
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Where does it say that?
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 10:59:50
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Blood and fire the new novella by ADB.
The Celestial Lions homeworld is a Jungle/Savannah world and are described by grimaldus as being blackskinned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 11:06:33
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Sinewy Scourge
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Warpig1815 wrote:Seconding Purple here - This is neither the time nor the place for racism allegations - The Internet WILL fuel your anger and it is NOT the best method of communication to convey your thoughts. For the good of this otherwise polite thread - DESIST.
Thanks. I was confused at someone implying I was racist against myself, then more confused by the response, but you getting to me shut up for a while let the brain kick back in. Obvs people wouldn't know my ethnicity on the internet.
I'm going to read but stay on the qt in this thread now as I suspect I would make things worse, as I can't easily leave bigoted comments alone and have difficulty with treating social justice issues, particularly those with a lot of academic material around them as a matter of opinion due to preponderance of evidence, blah, blah, blah. Not the place fr this as you said.
Tldr; Shutting my trap for the good of the thread and other people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 22:16:07
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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godking wrote:
Blood and fire the new novella by ADB.
The Celestial Lions homeworld is a Jungle/Savannah world and are described by grimaldus as being blackskinned.
Fair enough gonna have to pick that up.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 22:37:29
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Fighter Pilot
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purplefood wrote:godking wrote:
Blood and fire the new novella by ADB.
The Celestial Lions homeworld is a Jungle/Savannah world and are described by grimaldus as being blackskinned.
Fair enough gonna have to pick that up.
The Inquisition killing off a black-skinned chapter? Uh oh, talk about adding fuel to the fire of this discussion
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When I ramble, sit, and think.
Here's to me in my drunken mood,
When I gamble, sin, and drink.
And when my days are over,
And from this world I pass,
I hope they bury me upside down,
So the world can kiss my ass!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/14 23:00:51
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Arthedainian Captive
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godking wrote:
Blood and fire the new novella by ADB.
The Celestial Lions homeworld is a Jungle/Savannah world and are described by grimaldus as being blackskinned.
Fantastic news! I can finally picture a major Black Library character as played by Idris Elba! "We are cancelling the apocalypse!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/15 01:07:31
Subject: Re:Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Freaky Flayed One
Australia
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Archonate wrote:
Crimson Fists are Hispanic.
I'm not sure about ALL Dark angels, but I know Deathwing Terminators are Native American. GW clarified that when asked why they wear feathers.
Did NOT know this... Where are the Jamaicans?
OMG I just thought of a SM chapter, with the Jamaican beanie colours on their armour. Terminators with dreadlocks. Hahaha this is cool, I'll use this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/16 15:30:42
Subject: Ethnicity in the Space Marine Chapters
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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I read in the 40k 25th anniversary issue of white dwarf that Pedro Kantor was named after rick Priestley's friend Pete Cantor, who helped in some way with the development of rogue trader. Fun trivia there.
If you want a ethnic background for your army, just make one. It's not to hard, and it's your army. Have fun with the idea.
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