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**Ravenous D**

ascended_mike wrote:
As much as I love the Warhammer 40k hobby. It's miniatures and the people involved in it, today has left me with a very bad impression of Games Workshop.

In GW today, in Rotherham UK, me and a friend went to pick up some paints. The usual guy running the store was not there, instead was a staff member that usually comes to step in, in his place. We only called in to collect some paints and we got talking to two other 40k enthusiasts about their armies, how to improve their army lists, recent experiences against different opponents. (funnily enough, I spend alot of the time bigging up the new eldar codex and how much i suffered at the hands of it this weekend)

Our topic of conversation moved on however, (whilst still browsing the stock and inspecting painted miniatures and scenery), to the recent E3 advertisements regarding the latest consoles. PS4 and Xbox One. A few minutes into our discussion the store owner chimed up shouting "Is this a hobby related discussion?" - To which I was stunned. He asked us to take our conversation outside. I then told him I would, along with my money and not return to this store.

What irritates me the most is that all he has done here is alienate three of us from going to Games Workshop in Rotherham again. Because we weren't discussing a Games Workshop product in their store? Is it company wide policy to ban discussions based on anything other than their products in their store?

Don't get me wrong, the guy who regularly runs this store is ace. Honestly, one of the most decent guys you'll meet. I'll be calling up in future to make sure the regular manager is in that store. If he isn't, I won't be going there. Because I am quite frankly disgusted at being talked to like a child, by someone representing a company I have given quite a lot of my hard earned cash to recently.

Has anyone had similar experiences with GW recently?

This is normal company wide the world over.

Next time you're in try saying something sucks, and they will say "no it just has a different hobby challenge" seriously their employees are brutal soulless sell bots now more then ever.

**nkelsch**

Ravenous D wrote:
ascended_mike wrote:
As much as I love the Warhammer 40k hobby. It's miniatures and the people involved in it, today has left me with a very bad impression of Games Workshop.

In GW today, in Rotherham UK, me and a friend went to pick up some paints. The usual guy running the store was not there, instead was a staff member that usually comes to step in, in his place. We only called in to collect some paints and we got talking to two other 40k enthusiasts about their armies, how to improve their army lists, recent experiences against different opponents. (funnily enough, I spend alot of the time bigging up the new eldar codex and how much i suffered at the hands of it this weekend)

Our topic of conversation moved on however, (whilst still browsing the stock and inspecting painted miniatures and scenery), to the recent E3 advertisements regarding the latest consoles. PS4 and Xbox One. A few minutes into our discussion the store owner chimed up shouting "Is this a hobby related discussion?" - To which I was stunned. He asked us to take our conversation outside. I then told him I would, along with my money and not return to this store.

What irritates me the most is that all he has done here is alienate three of us from going to Games Workshop in Rotherham again. Because we weren't discussing a Games Workshop product in their store? Is it company wide policy to ban discussions based on anything other than their products in their store?

Don't get me wrong, the guy who regularly runs this store is ace. Honestly, one of the most decent guys you'll meet. I'll be calling up in future to make sure the regular manager is in that store. If he isn't, I won't be going there. Because I am quite frankly disgusted at being talked to like a child, by someone representing a company I have given quite a lot of my hard earned cash to recently.

Has anyone had similar experiences with GW recently?

This is normal company wide the world over.

Next time you're in try saying something sucks, and they will say "no it just has a different hobby challenge" seriously their employees are brutal soulless sell bots now more then ever.

no, it really isn't. A lot of people have totally opposite experiences with their local GWs. I have been going to multiple local GWs for almost 20 years including the USHQ and never had an experience even remotely similar to this.

No doubt it is a bad experience, but it is pretty trollish to just blatantly say it is like this everywhere is that is simply not true.

**rigeld2**

Grot 6 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Or, you know, listen to the proprietor of the shop and complain upwards when you can.

Acting like a jerk to him does nothing but get you ordered out (and police called for a forcible ejection if you refuse that) which doesn't help your point at all.

Not going back there and telling a hundred other people why does even more. Especially when the tool in charge outright called the kid out on a baseless issue. kicked him out for talking about videogames? unless I missed where you insulted his mom.

It doesn't matter why he kicked him out - as the property owners representative he had authority to tell the OP to gtfo.

Start no gak, if you want no gak.

How was this kid acting like a jerk? Talking about videogames, and looking an miniatures?

I didn't say he was. Your instructions, however, would have him being a jerk.

OOOHHHH, call the coppers!!!

Yes, the Employee is fully within his rights to get you escorted out - because if he's the only employee there he has the power.

What you really do is go down to your local chamber of commerce and file a complaint, but taunting him a second time is much more amusing... as well as squishing his head.

Meh, the chamber of commerce probably won't do anything - it's usually more effective to file a complaint with the employees boss.

**Avakael**

Last time I was in a GW store, the staffer present talked about Game of Thrones for half an hour before I could even get a word in edgeways to ask for the location of the open copy of the new Eldar Codex. On the other hand, I've been told exactly the same thing by the other GW store in my area- don't be in the store if you aren't talking about warhammer. A bit sad, really.

**ironicsilence**

AS others have said I would be sure to bring it up to the store manager, he seems like a good guy from the sounds of it, and give him a chance to respond. Assuming of course you have the conversation like an adult and not an upset fan boi (not saying you would, just a general statement) whether dealing with GW or any other company, if you a victim of what you believe to be poor service its always something that should be brought up politely to the right people which in turn gives them a chance to resolve the situation. If the guy in question is a dick and treats people like crap then nothing will ever change if no one says anything.

**d-usa**

I have to say that I have always had a great experience in my GW. Our old manager was always great, and my experiences so far with the new guy have been positive.

First time I walked in when he worked he made the usual GW small talk (what are you working on, can I help you find anything, etc...). We talked for a bit about me trying to decide on expanding my true scale Raven Guard vs starting a new 40K army and then a bit of Fantasy stuff. After a few minutes of causual chat (not the awkward forced "I'm trying to sell you" chat) he told me that I looked like I knew what I was looking for and just to ask him if I needed any help. Then he went back to painting his store army.

I've had no problems playing with my Raven Guard and it's fill of third party pieces there either, including a certain company that is keeping them busy in Chicago.

**TheAuldGrump**

rigeld2 wrote:
Grot 6 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Or, you know, listen to the proprietor of the shop and complain upwards when you can.

Acting like a jerk to him does nothing but get you ordered out (and police called for a forcible ejection if you refuse that) which doesn't help your point at all.

Not going back there and telling a hundred other people why does even more. Especially when the tool in charge outright called the kid out on a baseless issue. kicked him out for talking about videogames? unless I missed where you insulted his mom.

It doesn't matter why he kicked him out - as the property owners representative he had authority to tell the OP to gtfo.

Start no gak, if you want no gak.

How was this kid acting like a jerk? Talking about videogames, and looking an miniatures?

I didn't say he was. Your instructions, however, would have him being a jerk.

OOOHHHH, call the coppers!!!

Yes, the Employee is fully within his rights to get you escorted out - because if he's the only employee there he has the power.

What you really do is go down to your local chamber of commerce and file a complaint, but taunting him a second time is much more amusing... as well as squishing his head.

Meh, the chamber of commerce probably won't do anything - it's usually more effective to file a complaint with the employees boss.

Actually, depending on location, the GW staffer, in this case, may well have been the one breaking the law.

I know that is the case in Maine, Massachusetts, New York, and California - the store staff does not have sole discretion in regards to kicking somebody out, and, I know this may come as a surprise, but kicking people out for normal conversation would not be one of the viable reasons....

That said - I would never visit the store again, and counter recommend it to my friends, and folks on random websites... so even if the idiot behind the counter did have the authority, he is still an idiot.

The thing to do, aside from complaining, is still to tell both the store manager and GW that their policy has cost them sales.

The Auld Grump, for the record, there is no local GW store for me to avoid....

**Fenrir Kitsune**

In this situation, I'd just think "what a bellend" and leave, never to return or give them money again. No point bothering with it in the long run.

**Sigvatr**

BryllCream wrote:
Guy is clearly a dick. Most gw staff will happily chat about anything nerdy, including video games.

This. GW employees tend to be really cool guys, one of them even joins our club's tournaments, asking us, with a smile, to not tell his superiors

**Howard A Treesong**

I remember that time I was asked to leave Waterstones when a member of staff heard me talking about something that wasn't a book.

Oh wait, that never happened in any store I've ever been to. The person running this GW shop has some very odd ideas of customer relations.

**Grimtuff**

Howard A Treesong wrote:
I remember that time I was asked to leave Waterstones when a member of staff heard me talking about something that wasn't a book.

Oh wait, that never happened in any store I've ever been to. The person running this GW shop has some very odd ideas of customer relations.

Not really (in a way). I've seen this behavior from many of the more "indoctrinated" staff members at stores in which I've been a regular. "Hobby-related conversations only!" was heard all too commonly with certain managers. The best one I heard was from a guy at Warhammer world. My friend (who, incidentally now works for GW) was in a conversation with said staffer about how bad the Ultramarines movie was. His reply "It's our IP, therefore it's awesome".

Many of the personalities have been flushed out of GW. I remember having several wacky conversations with GW staff in the past that were very tenuously or not at all connected to wargaming. My aforementioned friend has a lot of leeway with what can be discussed instore, but even he reached his breaking point when covering GW Grimsby and a certain regular told him the fate of Robb Stark in great detail.

**Enceladus**

Makes me feel like I should count myself lucky that the staff at the Dudley branch are such an awesome bunch. Obviously they can't advocate swearing in the store (although ocassionally we all let one slip when our Warlord gets gibbed) but they're genuinely some of the nicest guys I know and I've spent many an hour sat discussing movies, video games, and other random world events with them without spending a penny in the store.

The man was clearly a tool.

**RaptorsTalon**

I've experienced GW managers asking you to leave if you spend a long time in the store and you're not doing anything hobby related (i.e. Painting/Playing a game) but never anything like asking you to leave for talking about non-GW stuff. (To be honest, they usually join in)

**Ravenous D**

nkelsch wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
ascended_mike wrote:
As much as I love the Warhammer 40k hobby. It's miniatures and the people involved in it, today has left me with a very bad impression of Games Workshop.

In GW today, in Rotherham UK, me and a friend went to pick up some paints. The usual guy running the store was not there, instead was a staff member that usually comes to step in, in his place. We only called in to collect some paints and we got talking to two other 40k enthusiasts about their armies, how to improve their army lists, recent experiences against different opponents. (funnily enough, I spend alot of the time bigging up the new eldar codex and how much i suffered at the hands of it this weekend)

Our topic of conversation moved on however, (whilst still browsing the stock and inspecting painted miniatures and scenery), to the recent E3 advertisements regarding the latest consoles. PS4 and Xbox One. A few minutes into our discussion the store owner chimed up shouting "Is this a hobby related discussion?" - To which I was stunned. He asked us to take our conversation outside. I then told him I would, along with my money and not return to this store.

What irritates me the most is that all he has done here is alienate three of us from going to Games Workshop in Rotherham again. Because we weren't discussing a Games Workshop product in their store? Is it company wide policy to ban discussions based on anything other than their products in their store?

Don't get me wrong, the guy who regularly runs this store is ace. Honestly, one of the most decent guys you'll meet. I'll be calling up in future to make sure the regular manager is in that store. If he isn't, I won't be going there. Because I am quite frankly disgusted at being talked to like a child, by someone representing a company I have given quite a lot of my hard earned cash to recently.

Has anyone had similar experiences with GW recently?

This is normal company wide the world over.

Next time you're in try saying something sucks, and they will say "no it just has a different hobby challenge" seriously their employees are brutal soulless sell bots now more then ever.
no, it really isn't. A lot of people have totally opposite experiences with their local GWs. I have been going to multiple local GWs for almost 20 years including the USHQ and never had an experience even remotely similar to this.

No doubt it is a bad experience, but it is pretty trollish to just blatantly say it is like this everywhere is that is simply not true.

Not true? Have you been to a GW lately? All 4 in my area have posted rules and guidelines about what you can talk about in the store including "no non-GW discussion", so maybe before you jump on the defense bus maybe you should realise that the company has changed quite a bit in the last few years.

**nkelsch**

Ravenous D wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
ascended_mike wrote:
As much as I love the Warhammer 40k hobby. It's miniatures and the people involved in it, today has left me with a very bad impression of Games Workshop.

In GW today, in Rotherham UK, me and a friend went to pick up some paints. The usual guy running the store was not there, instead was a staff member that usually comes to step in, in his place. We only called in to collect some paints and we got talking to two other 40k enthusiasts about their armies, how to improve their army lists, recent experiences against different opponents. (funnily enough, I spend alot of the time bigging up the new eldar codex and how much i suffered at the hands of it this weekend)

Our topic of conversation moved on however, (whilst still browsing the stock and inspecting painted miniatures and scenery), to the recent E3 advertisements regarding the latest consoles. PS4 and Xbox One. A few minutes into our discussion the store owner chimed up shouting "Is this a hobby related discussion?" - To which I was stunned. He asked us to take our conversation outside. I then told him I would, along with my money and not return to this store.

What irritates me the most is that all he has done here is alienate three of us from going to Games Workshop in Rotherham again. Because we weren't discussing a Games Workshop product in their store? Is it company wide policy to ban discussions based on anything other than their products in their store?

Don't get me wrong, the guy who regularly runs this store is ace. Honestly, one of the most decent guys you'll meet. I'll be calling up in future to make sure the regular manager is in that store. If he isn't, I won't be going there. Because I am quite frankly disgusted at being talked to like a child, by someone representing a company I have given quite a lot of my hard earned cash to recently.

Has anyone had similar experiences with GW recently?

This is normal company wide the world over.

Next time you're in try saying something sucks, and they will say "no it just has a different hobby challenge" seriously their employees are brutal soulless sell bots now more then ever.
no, it really isn't. A lot of people have totally opposite experiences with their local GWs. I have been going to multiple local GWs for almost 20 years including the USHQ and never had an experience even remotely similar to this.

No doubt it is a bad experience, but it is pretty trollish to just blatantly say it is like this everywhere is that is simply not true.

Not true? Have you been to a GW lately? All 4 in my area have posted rules and guidelines about what you can talk about in the store including "no non-GW discussion", so maybe before you jump on the defense bus maybe you should realise that the company has changed quite a bit in the last few years.

I go to my local Gw and the Bowie bunker all the time as well as multiple other GWs in the area. I was in there this weekend. And my GWs all use Facebook to communicate about events and the goings on of the customers, like how a group of fantasy people from the local store went to a tourney together. The Facebook page is upbeat, useful, good information and active... But I thought GW was dumb and couldn't do Facebook? They all seem to do it here, and pretty damn good job at it.

You may claim to have bad experiences, but it is not at all universal and your claims it is universal is not true. I am not saying all GWs are the same, but you very clearly are trying to say all of them are the same and that are all terrible.

Have you been to a GW lately? You have claimed in many threads not to play GW games and your hardcore anti GW attitude makes me question if you actually go to GWs or just spout plausible deniability based upon other people's experience?

**Ravenous D**

Its really awesome that your locals aren't like a lot of GWs in north America, I just find it difficult to believe that they act completely differently considering they all have the same boss and attend the same manager meetings. Im not saying you're lying, Im just jealous

Toronto area used to support more GW stores then any where in North America (one of which I worked at) , and that number has dwindled down to 5. 1 that I frequent often for paint and games (so the concept of GW getting rid of in store gaming is a serious piss off for me) 2 I wont step foot in because the managers are drones, the other 2 I haven't been to yet as they are new stores and out of the way but I know the manager of one and he is a cool guy and the other I think I know I just haven't gotten around to checking the store out.

Point is, all these stores have the same "no negative gw talk, no non-GW talk" policy, so you can imagine how my view can possible be bias to think that.

And I do actually play and enjoy the game, I just find ways so my hobby pays for itself, or finding a place with the best discount. My anti GW attitude comes from the fact GW is trying to screw with something that Ive been doing for 21 years.

**Talizvar**

It all comes down to this:

We are customers and to have a "supplier" feel they can dictate our behavior (never mind not even a posted policy) like we were some employee, really makes me want to respond in an uncivilized way.

I have a problem with something as simple as Starbucks requiring me to order a "Venti" rather than a large coffee.

This creating a corporate culture "environment" for the customer to condition them into the cult is annoying and makes me want to tell them to get over themselves.

I have enough people who want me to change for them I do not need some uppity company that wants my money to dictate how I behave.

<<<<rant ended>>>>

**Grot 6**

rigeld2 wrote:
????

So am I to understand you don't know about crunchy chocolate frogs, as well?

**rigeld2**

I'm familiar, but don't remember the sketch all that well.
Also, your tone didn't indicate anything like you were referring to a MP sketch.

Facepalm indeed.

**JWhex**

Wel it boils down to the fact that some but not all people that work in GW stores are extremely strange and live in their own little GW universe.

**SagesStone**

A manager tried this once at one of the GWs I went to. Somehow the next week he was completely over it.

**Lutharr101**

How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

**George Spiggott**

What a sad state of affairs. @ the OP: I recommend you take your custom down the road to The Outpost in Sheffield, I'm pretty sure you won't suffer anything like that there.

**blood lance**

Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

The amount of sheer presumption in this post is ridiculous.
You have no evidence he was ranting; You weren't there. You have no proof another customer asked them to leave. He isn't "Being childish" By making a formal complaint. The fact you used to term "Butthurt" Towards the end completely removed your credibility altogether.

**Lutharr101**

blood lance wrote:
Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

The amount of sheer presumption in this post is ridiculous.
You have no evidence he was ranting; You weren't there. You have no proof another customer asked them to leave. He isn't "Being childish" By making a formal complaint. The fact you used to term "Butthurt" Towards the end completely removed your credibility altogether.

not really since i was talking to the chap who complained. I know as a FACT not a guess

And i never said or even suggested another customer asked for them to leave. Re-read if that helps

**cerbrus2**

Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

Did you make that account just so you come in and post about it?

Seems strange a thread crops up stating that the GW staff that where covering that day where incredibly rude. And suddenly you decide to make an account on dakka and the only posts you make are about this subject. not even going to the introductions first.

Are you actually the GW staff member? Or someone wanting to be a white knight for that GW staff member?

**kronk**

Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

I like this guy. I'd buy from him and play in his store.

Edit: And if he's a customer, I'd totally play with him. Seems we're getting the other side of the story now. And knowing is half the battle!

**Lutharr101**

cerbrus2 wrote:
Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

Did you make that account just so you come in and post about it?

Seems strange a thread crops up stating that the GW staff that where covering that day where incredibly rude. And suddenly you decide to make an account on dakka and the only posts you make are about this subject. not even going to the introductions first.

Are you actually the GW staff member? Or someone wanting to be a white knight for that GW staff member?

The truth is the truth and thats it. Im no GW staff member or ass kisser thats for sure. I just prefer to see the whole truth not fragments of on side.

Id been on this site many many times but yes I did end up actually making the account to be able to post up the facts rather than one persons account. Is that a crime? Should the courts use this system to cos it seems flawless now ya put it that way.

**nkelsch**

kronk wrote:
Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

I like this guy. I'd buy from him and play in his store.

Edit: And if he's a customer, I'd totally play with him. Seems we're getting the other side of the story now. And knowing is half the battle!

These one-sided internet complaints always seem to have one person totally innocent being besieged by a demonic a-hole out of the blue.

It does sound like if what Luthar says is somewhat true, it mirrors how I have seen multiple bad 'non-customers' thrown out of FLGS (not just GWs) for generally using the place as a clubhouse and bothering people.

In a vast majority of situations, it always seems to be the person having problems with a store the issue is usually with the person and they don't "get" it.

**Lutharr101**

kronk wrote:
Lutharr101 wrote:
How about posting that it was the 3rd time you had been to the shop that day?
How about pointing out that you had already told the lad running the shop that ya wasnt purchasing anything til the following week as you were skint?
How about mentioning the fact that ya went into GW and was ranting on about console stuff to the point that it was another PAYING customer who had enough of listening to it so actually asked the lad running the store if he could deal with it.
How about manning up and not acting like a kid when asked politely if ya could stop.

Since i go into the shop regularly and have NEVER had any issues with the full time manager or and covering staff I think more than likely ya just easily butthurt.

I like this guy. I'd buy from him and play in his store.

Edit: And if he's a customer, I'd totally play with him. Seems we're getting the other side of the story now. And knowing is half the battle!

lol ditto there fella.

truth be told Id have left it be but rotherham is a good store (while being very new) and I cant stand to see them pulled apart by everyone who dont even have the whole story. If people have the full facts and want to make up their minds that they hate GW or the rotherham store then thats down to them. Their lives not mine. The thread was kinda reading like a court case where only the prosecution were allowed to address the jury.