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2013/06/13 01:15:40
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Edward Snowden: Even though his intentions were probably well-meaning, still a traitor.
These men swore to protect and closely guard State secrets, as all who are given security clearances do, and they broke the law, plain and simple. I have no sympathy for those who blatantly disregard their duty to keep classified information just that. I believe that both men should be executed for treasonous actions, more so Manning because he wears the uniform, and potentially put his fellow soldiers in further danger. He broke the oath, and brought disgrace to the uniform.
agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
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2013/06/13 01:36:24
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Edward Snowden: Even though his intentions were probably well-meaning, still a traitor.
These men swore to protect and closely guard State secrets, as all who are given security clearances do, and they broke the law, plain and simple. I have no sympathy for those who blatantly disregard their duty to keep classified information just that. I believe that both men should be executed for treasonous actions, more so Manning because he wears the uniform, and potentially put his fellow soldiers in further danger. He broke the oath, and brought disgrace to the uniform.
agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Is this some kind of joke?
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2013/06/13 02:03:18
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
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2013/06/13 02:05:02
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Edit: And by hilarious I meant it caused me physical pain.
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2013/06/13 02:12:26
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
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2013/06/13 02:34:47
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
2013/06/13 02:46:15
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
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Yes, you are a traitor to the unconstitutional government.
Being a traitor doesn't make your actions immoral or wrong persay.
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Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Only about 6% (according to USA Today) of the world's Muslims are affiliated with Al Quada. Also, believe it or not, but there are Christian and atheistic terrorists as well.
And if you try to claim that Muslims are incredibly violent, I suggest you read the Koran, then read the Bible, then compare.
EDIT: And when you say that non-Muslims shouldn't be scared, please look up Joseph McCarthy and McCarthyism. (HINT: Under Joseph McCarthy basically attacked anybody who could possibly be somewhat connected to the idea of communism (including enjoying the color red). His actions could result in any person being stripped of their possessions and reputation. The connections to today are terrifyingly abundant.)
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2013/06/13 03:22:22
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
2013/06/13 03:24:32
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
2013/06/13 04:48:34
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
A lot of people are bad. Welcome to planet Earth.
On topic, I find it both incredibly ironic and somewhat nauseating that citizens of a country founded on revolution (I'm pretty sure the British called it treason back in the olden days) want to lynch these men. Manning endangered people in the field. Try him for that, if you want. Snowden did nothing beyond proving the programs exist. Yeah, they broke the law. But so did the founding fathers. Where's the line?
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I'm both selfish and rational. I'm scheming, secretive and manipulative; I use knowledge as a tool for personal gain, and in turn obtaining more knowledge. At best, I am mysterious and stealthy; at worst, I am distrustful and opportunistic.
2013/06/13 05:28:47
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
How many is 'alot' then? I'm guessing you don't know that many muslims. Your language and attitude suggest you're quite young and ignorant, so I suggest you grow up a bit and try to see a bit more of the world than whatever has led you to label 'alot' of Muslims as 'bad' and/or 'terrorists'. It's quite ludicrous and offensive.
2013/06/13 05:55:12
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
How many is 'alot' then? I'm guessing you don't know that many muslims. Your language and attitude suggest you're quite young and ignorant, so I suggest you grow up a bit and try to see a bit more of the world than whatever has led you to label 'alot' of Muslims as 'bad' and/or 'terrorists'. It's quite ludicrous and offensive.
im not trying to be offensive. im just trying to tell the truth. if you look at it, 911 was done by muslims. im not trying to offend anybody. are you muslim.
2013/06/13 06:13:32
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
im not trying to be offensive. im just trying to tell the truth. if you look at it, 911 was done by muslims. im not trying to offend anybody. are you muslim.
It is refreshing to me that no other group of people of any other creed or religion have ever attacked any other people under pretence of diametrically opposed system of beliefs (especially after the latter used the former against their "enemies" at the time and left them to rot when the time came).
Were it to be otherwise, you might be diminishing both, your sense of history and your shallow world view. Also, go America. I'm sure those Muslims wouldn't have done what they did if only we'd have offered them miniature American flags to wave fiercely.... FOR FREEDOM!
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Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
How many is 'alot' then? I'm guessing you don't know that many muslims. Your language and attitude suggest you're quite young and ignorant, so I suggest you grow up a bit and try to see a bit more of the world than whatever has led you to label 'alot' of Muslims as 'bad' and/or 'terrorists'. It's quite ludicrous and offensive.
im not trying to be offensive. im just trying to tell the truth. if you look at it, 911 was done by muslims. im not trying to offend anybody. are you muslim.
Why should it matter if I'm a Muslim or not? It's irelevant. You're objectively wrong, stupidly so. What does your point that 9/11 was committed by Muslims prove? There have been far more attacks by the IRA in Britain than the US has ever suffered from Muslims, but we don't brand all Itish as being 'bad'. In fact take a look at the number of bombings and killings in the US committed by white right extremists. But 'domestic terrorism' doesn't fit with the story that's its brown foreigners are the source of all problems.
2013/06/13 07:32:13
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
Hate to burst your bubble, but Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
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2013/06/13 07:34:55
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Black Knight wrote: agree. tey swore oath to government. i actualy dont mind wiretapping that much. obama is just trying to keep us safe from the muslims. i dont think that people should be scared if they are not muslim
Yeah.... that's sort of like saying that every Irish Catholic was in the IRA (hint: they weren't)
i dont know about ira. im just saying that alot of muslim people are in alqaeda. alot of terrorist attacks are by muslim people. im not saying that all muslims are bad but alot are.
Hold the phone.
You're telling me that the population of an extremist Muslim organization is made up of 'alot [sic] of muslim people'? And you're not saying that all Muslims are bad, but 'alot' of the 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world are?
I would kindly suggest that you get out and experience the world more, the sheer ignorance inherent in this statement boggles my mind.
yes im saying alot of muslims are bad. osama bin laden and saddam hussein attacked us on 911. not all muslims tho, but alot are terrorists. there are plenty of good muslims
How many is 'alot' then? I'm guessing you don't know that many muslims. Your language and attitude suggest you're quite young and ignorant, so I suggest you grow up a bit and try to see a bit more of the world than whatever has led you to label 'alot' of Muslims as 'bad' and/or 'terrorists'. It's quite ludicrous and offensive.
im not trying to be offensive. im just trying to tell the truth. if you look at it, 911 was done by muslims. im not trying to offend anybody. are you muslim.
Why should it matter if I'm a Muslim or not? It's irelevant. You're objectively wrong, stupidly so. What does your point that 9/11 was committed by Muslims prove? There have been far more attacks by the IRA in Britain than the US has ever suffered from Muslims, but we don't brand all Itish as being 'bad'. In fact take a look at the number of bombings and killings in the US committed by white right extremists. But 'domestic terrorism' doesn't fit with the story that's its brown foreigners are the source of all problems.
it prove that muslim people have in the past attacked the us. im not trying to say anything about britain. im just saying that in the us, most terrorist attacks are by muslims. muslim people like osama dont like america because they hate us for our freedom.
2013/06/13 07:37:21
Subject: Re:Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
Jihadin wrote: Before we all forget. PRISM program is word activated. As your conversation gets filter through the program it looks for keywords. One key word sends the entire conversation to another window and get filtered again. If more then one keyword is activated its "Flagged" for human review. I've no idea where I read that, nor remember it was a briefing, possible internship flyer...I can't remember nor do I care to remember. I was on a lot of psycho and pain meds forgot to mention when my GF/current wife would let me drive...I would drive like I was back in the "Box"
Manning no damn Hero. He was a screw up. Little SoB took out his revenge on the US Gov't by dropping a platinum mine on Assauge lap all because
Spoiler:
After four weeks at the Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC) in Fort Polk, Louisiana, he was deployed to Forward Operating Base Hammer, near Baghdad, arriving in October 2009. From his workstation there, he had access to SIPRNet (the Secure Internet Protocol Router Network) and JWICS (the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System). Two of his superiors had discussed not taking him to Iraq – it was felt he was "a risk to himself and possibly others," according to a statement later issued by the army – but again the shortage of intelligence analysts held sway.[22]
A month later, in November 2009, he was promoted from Private First Class to Specialist. That same month, according to his chats with Lamo, he made his first contact with WikiLeaks, shortly after it posted 570,000 pager messages from the 9/11 attacks, which it released on November 25.[23] Also in November, Manning wrote to a gender counselor in the United States, said he felt female, and discussed having sex reassignment surgery. The counselor told Steve Fishman of New York Magazine that it was clear Manning was in crisis, partly because of his gender concerns, but also because he was opposed to the kind of war in which he found himself involved.[24]
He was by all accounts unhappy and isolated. Because of the army's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy (known as DADT, which was repealed in September 2011), he was not allowed to be openly gay, though he apparently made no secret of it; his friends said he kept a fairy wand on his desk. When he told his roommate he was gay, the roommate responded by suggesting they not speak to each other. His working conditions – 14–15 hour night shifts in a dimly lit secure room – did not help his emotional well being.[25] On December 20, 2009, after being told he would lose his one day off a week for being persistently late, he overturned a table in a conference room, damaging a computer that was sitting on it, and in the view of one soldier looked as though he was about to grab a rifle from a gun rack, before his arms were pinned behind his back. Several witnesses to the incident believed his access to sensitive material ought to have been withdrawn at that point. The following month, he began posting on Facebook that he felt alone and hopeless.[26]
Army investigators told a pre-trial hearing (see below) that they believed Manning downloaded the Iraq and Afghan war logs around this time, in January 2010. WikiLeaks tweeted on January 8 that year that they had obtained "encrypted videos of US bomb strikes on civilians," and linked to a story about the May 2009 Granai airstrike in Afghanistan. Manning put the files on a digital storage card for his camera and took it home with him on a leave in early 2010.[27] During the same month, Manning traveled to the United States via Germany for a two-week holiday, arriving on January 24, and attended a party at Boston University's hacker space. It was during this visit that Manning first lived for a few days as a woman, dressing in women's clothes, wearing a wig and going out. After his arrest, his former partner, Tyler Watkins, told Kevin Poulsen of Wired that Manning had said during the January visit that he had found some sensitive information and was considering leaking it.[28]
to early to get riled up...and first mug of coffee not done yet....but
Spoiler:
May 21, 2010: (1:41:12 PM) bradass87: hi
(1:44:04 PM) bradass87: how are you?
(1:47:01 PM) bradass87: im an army intelligence analyst, deployed to eastern baghdad, pending discharge for "adjustment disorder" in lieu of "gender identity disorder"
(1:56:24 PM) bradass87: im sure you're pretty busy ...
(1:58:31 PM) bradass87: if you had unprecedented access to classified networks 14 hours a day 7 days a week for 8+ months, what would you do?[48]
May 22, 2010:
(11:49:02 AM) bradass87: im in the desert, with a bunch of hyper-masculine trigger happy ignorant rednecks as neighbors... and the only safe place i seem to have is this satellite internet connection
(11:49:51 AM) bradass87: and i already got myself into minor trouble, revealing my uncertainty over my gender identity ... which is causing me to lose this job ... and putting me in an awkward limbo [...]
(11:52:23 AM) bradass87: at the very least, i managed to keep my security clearance [so far] [...]
(11:58:33 AM) bradass87: and little does anyone know, but among this "visible" mess, theres the mess i created that no-one knows about yet [...]
(12:15:11 PM) bradass87: hypothetical question: if you had free reign over classified networks for long periods of time ... say, 8–9 months ... and you saw incredible things, awful things ... things that belonged in the public domain, and not on some server stored in a dark room in Washington DC ... what would you do? [...]
(12:21:24 PM) bradass87: say ... a database of half a million events during the iraq war ... from 2004 to 2009 ... with reports, date time groups, lat-lon locations, casualty figures ...? or 260,000 state department cables from embassies and consulates all over the world, explaining how the first world exploits the third, in detail, from an internal perspective? [...]
(12:26:09 PM) bradass87: lets just say *someone* i know intimately well, has been penetrating US classified networks, mining data like the ones described ... and been transferring that data from the classified networks over the “air gap” onto a commercial network computer ... sorting the data, compressing it, encrypting it, and uploading it to a crazy white haired aussie who can't seem to stay in one country very long =L [...]
(12:31:43 PM) bradass87: crazy white haired dude = Julian Assange
(12:33:05 PM) bradass87: in other words ... ive made a huge mess :’([48]
May 22, 2010:
(1:11:54 PM) bradass87: and ... its important that it gets out ... i feel, for some bizarre reason
(1:12:02 PM) bradass87: it might actually change something
(1:13:10 PM) bradass87: i just ... dont wish to be a part of it ... at least not now ... im not ready ... i wouldn't mind going to prison for the rest of my life, or being executed so much, if it wasn't for the possibility of having pictures of me ... plastered all over the world press ... as [a] boy ...
(1:14:11 PM) bradass87: i've totally lost my mind ... i make no sense ... the CPU is not made for this motherboard ... [...]
(1:39:03 PM) bradass87: i cant believe what im confessing to you :’([48]
May 25, 2010:
(02:12:23 PM) bradass87: so ... it was a massive data spillage ... facilitated by numerous factors ... both physically, technically, and culturally
(02:13:02 PM) bradass87: perfect example of how not to do INFOSEC
(02:14:21 PM) bradass87: listened and lip-synced to Lady Gaga's Telephone while exfiltratrating [sic] possibly the largest data spillage in american history [...]
(02:17:56 PM) bradass87: weak servers, weak logging, weak physical security, weak counter-intelligence, inattentive signal analysis ... a perfect storm [...]
(02:22:47 PM) bradass87: i mean what if i were someone more malicious
(02:23:25 PM) bradass87: i could've sold to russia or china, and made bank?
(02:23:58 PM) bradass87: because it's public data [...]
(02:24:46 PM) bradass87: it belongs in the public domain
(02:25:15 PM) bradass87: Information should be free[48
That... puts things in a whole new light. For anyone who doesn't fully get what this amounts to:
Imagine having a shock collar you can't remove, that never runs dry, and which randomly blasts the hell out of you. At first, you just keep your head up and bear it, but as time wears on you become increasingly erratic and tortured. When you admit "hey, this thing is bothering me" you're shunned, when you seek help in stopping it from continuing to shock you you lose your job, and the whole while your commanders and peers stand by and watch your behavior grow increasingly erratic, not only doing nothing to help you, but continuing to allow you to act in a position where an unpredictable, resentful, half-mad-with-pain individual could do massive harm to very important operations.
Manning is ultimately culpable, but his/her commanding officers should be going to the chopping block too for failing to prevent the situation.
Edit: and everyone, stop playing with Black Knight; 10 to 1 odds he's a fully literate adult who knows full well what nonsense he's spouting, and is laughing uproariously at the conversation. Engaging him in conversation just makes you look silly.
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2013/06/13 08:37:45
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
If Snowden is a traitor, then fine I say bring on the traitors. If the state is violating the law then I would say that ‘traitorous’ acts of this nature are about as patriotic as it gets. Doesn’t this violate both the 1st and 4th amendments? It’s downright Orwellian and as far as I’m concerned Snowden deserves a medal.
Those attacking Snowden really do worry me, it’s almost as if they are happy to be spied upon by their governments.
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2013/06/13 08:55:00
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
LuciusAR wrote: If Snowden is a traitor, then fine I say bring on the traitors. If the state is violating the law then I would say that ‘traitorous’ acts of this nature are about as patriotic as it gets. Doesn’t this violate both the 1st and 4th amendments? It’s downright Orwellian and as far as I’m concerned Snowden deserves a medal.
Those attacking Snowden really do worry me, it’s almost as if they are happy to be spied upon by their governments.
im not sure about the amendments. i think its important that obama knows whats happening so he can protect us. i dont want another 911 happening to america
2013/06/13 09:22:43
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
It is absolutely mind boggling to see the kind of blind loyalty to Governments that people don't otherwise even respect, even a little bit, that comes out in these situations.
Also, Black Knight, you may or may not be trying to offend people but the sort of blatant stereotyping you are engaged in is against the rules. Admittedly, that rule is often enforced lopsidedly in favour of Christianity, but sweeping statements about any religious group should not be tolerated.
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2013/06/13 10:35:47
Subject: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy (The Difference between a traitor and a whistleblower)
LuciusAR wrote: If Snowden is a traitor, then fine I say bring on the traitors. If the state is violating the law then I would say that ‘traitorous’ acts of this nature are about as patriotic as it gets. Doesn’t this violate both the 1st and 4th amendments? It’s downright Orwellian and as far as I’m concerned Snowden deserves a medal.
It probably doesn't violate those amendments, no. A lot of armchair legal scholars are claiming otherwise, despite not being able to tell you what the Fourth Amendment is without a trip to Wikipedia, but I suppose we'll see eventually.
Also, I'll say this again, since it didn't seem to sink in the first time: he has now moved on to revealing classified information that has nothing to do with violating the Constitution.
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