Why D&D is evil

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**Alfndrate**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
What if you play a Paladin, then? Standing up for the defenseless, fighting demons and generally being the complete opposite of evil in every way, shape or form?

Not that it matters, since this guy obviously hasn't played DnD anyway.

Your Paladin is worshipping a deity that is not God, thus he is holding false idols above the Lord.

Had a friend in grade school leave my dnd group because his parents didn't want him playing it because they thought he was playing God by creating a person (his character)...

What if the Paladin worships one God who was incarnated and walked among mankind to save them from evil?

Heh, being the Devil's Advocate makes this rather silly.

It does

, and I tried that once I had a Paladin of God, who was part of a church started by an apostle of the "Avatar of God" (Jesus), he never saw the light of play :-\

**Easy E**

My favorite is the Chick Tract where someone is not using the "right" version of the bible and ends up going to Hell despite being a good person.

I'm too lazy to look through the website for it (and possibly sane), but I found that one hidden amongst the products on a shelf at a local supermarket. I love when people hide these littel gems in public. Do they think someone will find it, read it, and then convert?

Good stuff!

**Dreadclaw69**

daedalus wrote:

Doomthumbs was pretty legit. He also painted that time allegedly with... er... other bodily fluids.

He was also painting with, IIRC, a frayed stick. The point of the exercise was to use "all-natural" resources to paint, and it was brilliant.

A little gross, but legit.

Did he just start this after reading the BL novel 'Fulgrim'?

**Tannhauser42**

Mr. Burning wrote:
Good old Chick.

You should also consider this gem:

http://www.chick.com/bc/2007/butterfly.asp

Here’s an “absolute break down” surprise for him! Butterflies are not transformed by successive slight modifications from caterpillars, or from any evolutionary ancestor. Neither are any of their complex organs.

When a butterfly egg hatches, a caterpillar steps out, eats, grows, and then builds a little house around itself where it passes into the pupal stage. Inside the leather-like shell of the pupa, or larva, the caterpillar dissolves. I don’t mean he dissolves in tears, or has a squishy feeling. His eyes, legs, intestines, and bristly fuzz, everything that distinguished him as a caterpillar, melts down to form a thick liquid. Everything except his heart becomes homogenized goo.

A butterfly comes out of some primordial soup as it were.

Yeah, I saw that one. Clearly, someone didn't understand the fundamentals of Darwin's work to begin with.

While I find these things hilarious at times, other times I almost want to cry, because there are people who actually believe this stuff, and, as I said, they all vote. They all turn out in droves to the polls to save America from the godless heathens trying to destroy it.

**CuddlySquig**

This damned thing again. No matter where I go in life, Jack Chick comes along to haunt me.

**Monster Rain**

Ah yes. For some reason an Occultist Witch/Satan Worshipper named "Debbie" has always amused me for some reason.

Not Azrael or Heccubus or something, oh no.

Debbie has come for our souls.

**Kovnik Obama**

Mr. Burning wrote:
Good old Chick.

You should also consider this gem:

http://www.chick.com/bc/2007/butterfly.asp

Here’s an “absolute break down” surprise for him! Butterflies are not transformed by successive slight modifications from caterpillars, or from any evolutionary ancestor. Neither are any of their complex organs.

When a butterfly egg hatches, a caterpillar steps out, eats, grows, and then builds a little house around itself where it passes into the pupal stage. Inside the leather-like shell of the pupa, or larva, the caterpillar dissolves. I don’t mean he dissolves in tears, or has a squishy feeling. His eyes, legs, intestines, and bristly fuzz, everything that distinguished him as a caterpillar, melts down to form a thick liquid. Everything except his heart becomes homogenized goo.

A butterfly comes out of some primordial soup as it were.

Hadn't seen that one. Pretty hilarious.

Man, this thread is bringing up memories. My parents heard that I was into D&D and WoD when I was a teen, did a bit of research, and found this guy's website. Now usually, my parents are fairly reasonnable people, and they certainly aren't religious or anything, but the thought that I might be a devil worshipper just freaked them out. They also saw a stupid documentary about some idiots german kids who decided that killing each other with real knife would be more fun than pretending to do so...

So they searched my entire library, found my WoD books (which, admittedly, had freaky imagery all over the place), and burnt them all. Yes, burnt them.

So, long story short, if Chick really is dead, I've got a tomb to go piss on...

**Relapse**

Icarusthepilot wrote:
I would never put someone down for their religion, but I went to a church for awhile because the girl I was dating went there. The same dude would stand up mid sermon and start yelling in tongues. Then the same woman would translate it as if she were talking to God. If that wasn't bad enough, the pastor stood up one day and started screaming that gay people were taking over the world and that the legality of same sex marriage would be the end of mankind. I got out of there as fast as I could. If that isn't occult behavior, then I don't know what is.

Gay marraige is going to be the end of mankind, but all the religious wars, inquisitions, aboriginal peoples destroyed, etc., along with all the other things that people can do to wreck each other's lives hasn't ended it already?
Damn, Gay Marriage must be humanity's Kryptonite!

**Dreadclaw69**

Relapse wrote:
Icarusthepilot wrote:
I would never put someone down for their religion, but I went to a church for awhile because the girl I was dating went there. The same dude would stand up mid sermon and start yelling in tongues. Then the same woman would translate it as if she were talking to God. If that wasn't bad enough, the pastor stood up one day and started screaming that gay people were taking over the world and that the legality of same sex marriage would be the end of mankind. I got out of there as fast as I could. If that isn't occult behavior, then I don't know what is.

Gay marraige is going to be the end of mankind, but all the religious wars, inquisitions, aboriginal peoples destroyed, etc., along with all the other things that people can do to wreck each other's lives hasn't ended it already?
Damn, Gay Marriage must be humanity's Kryptonite!

It's a plot by Al-Queda to bring down Western civilisation

**Grot 6**

THAC0 is a gakker.

The devil made them do it.

**artofwaaagh**

Thats great they found 10 people who play D&D that murdered people. That really reflects the type of people who play.

**hotsauceman1**

artofwaaagh wrote:
Thats great they found 10 people who play D&D that murdered people. That really reflects the type of people who play.

I have found 100,000,000 people that have killed and have had sex.
Obviously sex leads to murder

**Bullockist**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Honestly, it's idiots like the author of that article that give Christians a bad name. Do I like D&D? Nope. Do I think it's even slightly evil? Hardly. Christians, especially the Southern Baptist variety, have made a pretty poor name for themselves in the religious world, and articles like this one perpetuate that poor name. I'm ashamed to call myself one at times-can't we all just enjoy our harmless playtime and not seek to pull each other apart? This is getting ridiculous.

Christians seem to be frowning on pulling yourself for your harmless playtime too. Killjoys.

**Relapse**

The guest speaker in that tract talks about the Dungeon of Bondage. I think I was in that adventure once, hated to come out of it.

**timetowaste85**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
daedalus wrote:

Doomthumbs was pretty legit. He also painted that time allegedly with... er... other bodily fluids.

He was also painting with, IIRC, a frayed stick. The point of the exercise was to use "all-natural" resources to paint, and it was brilliant.

A little gross, but legit.

Did he just start this after reading the BL novel 'Fulgrim'?

I've almost finished the Fulgrim audio book. Damn, it's fethed up. A lot of it is what you'd expect...then you get to the painting scenes. *Shudder* It's all the worse, having dated a girl named Serena. Her last name was not D'Angelo though, thank God.

**master of ordinance**

Relapse wrote:The guest speaker in that tract talks about the Dungeon of Bondage. I think I was in that adventure once, hated to come out of it.

My curiosity is pipqued. Please go on.

timetowaste85 wrote:
Dreadclaw69 wrote:
daedalus wrote:

Doomthumbs was pretty legit. He also painted that time allegedly with... er... other bodily fluids.

He was also painting with, IIRC, a frayed stick. The point of the exercise was to use "all-natural" resources to paint, and it was brilliant.

A little gross, but legit.

Did he just start this after reading the BL novel 'Fulgrim'?

I've almost finished the Fulgrim audio book. Damn, it's fethed up. A lot of it is what you'd expect...then you get to the painting scenes. *Shudder* It's all the worse, having dated a girl named Serena. Her last name was not D'Angelo though, thank God.

My curiosity grows still more. What happens between Fulgrim and this lady?

**Dreadclaw69**

master of ordinance wrote:
My curiosity grows still more. What happens between Fulgrim and this lady?

She is a Remembrancer that specialises in painting, and going by memory

Spoiler:

**CthuluIsSpy**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
My curiosity grows still more. What happens between Fulgrim and this lady?

She is a Remembrancer that specialises in painting, and going by memory

Spoiler:

as the plot develops she feels that her paintings aren't capturing life as well as they once were so she starts using various bodily fluids in her work, starting with her own but then moving onto other peoples. Lucius discovers this when he uncovers a body in her quarters. She claims that the dead man attempted to attack her as justification. Over the course of the conversation she develops a rapport with Lucius over the blemish to his face caused by Loken, from this conversation Lucius starts scarring himself

Dude...that's fethed up. I really need to read that book now

**Dreadclaw69**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Dude...that's fethed up. I really need to read that book now

You may like the part where;

Spoiler:

**timetowaste85**

I hadn't gotten to that part yet. Lol. Oh well, my part for opening the spoiler. I figured it would have something to do with Serena cutting the guys throat and watching his blood pour out while he was still inside of her. In the Biblical sense.

**Dreadclaw69**

timetowaste85 wrote:
I hadn't gotten to that part yet. Lol. Oh well, my part for opening the spoiler. I figured it would have something to do with Serena cutting the guys throat and watching his blood pour out while he was still inside of her. In the Biblical sense.

Yeah, with GW having some focus on those underage themes they don't seem to like delving too deeply into themes like that. In the grim darkness there is only war and all that

**hotsauceman1**

I was reading some of the stuff he said.
For some reason he claims Roman catholics are not christians because we babtise babies.

**SilverMK2**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I was reading some of the stuff he said.
For some reason he claims Roman catholics are not christians because we babtise babies.

You should be eating them instead.

**Alfndrate**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I was reading some of the stuff he said.
For some reason he claims Roman catholics are not christians because we babtise babies.

If I remember correctly, baptizing or christening is a choice made by the individual, and not by the individual's parents. If one wishes to be a Christian, they must choose to be one and have original sin washed away. Roman Catholics do not give that choice.

Source: Dated a pastor's daughter... I was the Roman Catholic Heathen for about 2 months. It mostly as joking... her older sister was serious... So she was the harlot for that span of time too

(her kid was awesome though).

**generalgrog**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I was reading some of the stuff he said.
For some reason he claims Roman catholics are not christians because we babtise babies.

Jack Chick went on an Anti Roman Catholic spree for a while...it still may be that way. But there were many books and tracts that "exposed" the inner workings of the Roman Catholic Church. All this was based on a supposed ex Roman Catholic priest that turned out to be untrue.

Not saying I agree with all of Roman Catholic theology, but what Jack Chick did was outrageous.

This is one reason why I don't believe the story about the so called witch that he interviewed to get his D&D info from.

GG

**Dreadclaw69**

Alfndrate wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
I was reading some of the stuff he said.
For some reason he claims Roman catholics are not christians because we babtise babies.

If I remember correctly, baptizing or christening is a choice made by the individual, and not by the individual's parents. If one wishes to be a Christian, they must choose to be one and have original sin washed away. Roman Catholics do not give that choice.

Source: Dated a pastor's daughter... I was the Roman Catholic Heathen for about 2 months. It mostly as joking... her older sister was serious... So she was the harlot for that span of time too (her kid was awesome though).

We do baptise babies, but we also have confirmation later in the individual's life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_%28Catholic_Church%29

Confirmation is one of the seven sacraments through which Catholics pass in the process of their religious upbringing. According to Catholic doctrine, in this sacrament they receive the Holy Spirit and become adult members of the Catholic Church.
Description

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:[1]

Recall then that you have received the spiritual seal, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of right judgment and courage, the spirit of knowledge and reverence, the Spirit of holy fear in God's presence. Guard what you have received. God the Father has marked you with his sign; Christ the Lord has confirmed you and has placed his pledge, the Spirit, in your heart.[2]

Most Catholics believe that Confirmation is based on Biblical precedent such as Acts of the Apostles 8:14-17:[citation needed]

Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who went down and prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit, for it had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

Western Church

In the Latin Rite (i.e. Western Catholic Church), the sacrament is to be conferred on the faithful at about the age of discretion (generally taken to be about 7, but most people are confirmed at ages 14–15), unless the Episcopal Conference has decided on a different age, or there is danger of death or, in the judgement of the minister, a grave reason suggests otherwise.[3] The number of Episcopal Conferences that have set a later age has increased in recent decades, and even in those countries a bishop may not refuse to confer the sacrament on younger children who request it, provided they are baptized, have the use of reason, are suitably instructed and are properly disposed and able to renew the baptismal promises (letter of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments published in its 1999 bulletin, pages 537-540).

The sacrament is customarily conferred only on people old enough to understand it, and the ordinary minister of Confirmation is a bishop. Only for a serious reason may the diocesan bishop delegate a priest to administer the sacrament (canon 884 of the Code of Canon Law). However, a priest may confer the sacrament when he baptizes someone who is no longer an infant or determines a person already baptized to full communion and cognizance, or if the person (adult or child) to be confirmed is in danger of death (canon 883). Priests typically administer the sacrament to adults during the Easter Vigil Mass. It is the conclusion of the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) program. Priests customarily ask for and are granted permission for this occasion. (Canon 882-888).

**VensersRevenge**

I'm Christian and this is the nonsense that makes it more and more likely I'll be an atheist.

**Soladrin**

Alfndrate wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
I was reading some of the stuff he said.
For some reason he claims Roman catholics are not christians because we babtise babies.

If I remember correctly, baptizing or christening is a choice made by the individual, and not by the individual's parents. If one wishes to be a Christian, they must choose to be one and have original sin washed away. Roman Catholics do not give that choice.

Source: Dated a pastor's daughter... I was the Roman Catholic Heathen for about 2 months. It mostly as joking... her older sister was serious... So she was the harlot for that span of time too (her kid was awesome though).

I was baptised as a baby to appease granny and get her off my parents back.

I did communion only because dad told me it would net me lots of presents and cash.

That said, I may be baptised and all that nonsense but the only reason I have ever set foot in a Church again is because of funerals.

**sebster**

Easy E wrote:
I'm too lazy to look through the website for it (and possibly sane), but I found that one hidden amongst the products on a shelf at a local supermarket. I love when people hide these littel gems in public. Do they think someone will find it, read it, and then convert?

That's one of the really weird parts about Chick style evangelism. They have this assumption that the only possible reasons we don't believe in Jesus is because no-one has ever told us about him before. So those tracts are just full of people saying 'oh please tell more about this Jesus guy who I had never heard of before during my life of sin'.

**Der Metzgermeister**

generalgrog wrote:

It is true that these types of games attracts a certain element that are counter culture and might get caught up confusing reality with fantasy. Like that guy at every game shop that paints his models with real blood.

I might give this a try. Of course, not on a model that other people would be handling. I think blood wouldnt be a very good consitency for paint, and it would dry that brown color. Seems like it would crack off too.