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WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

 Aerethan wrote:
WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

You can actually pledge any amount, without selecting a "tier" of pledge. Just select "No Reward."

 Janthkin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

You can actually pledge any amount, without selecting a "tier" of pledge. Just select "No Reward."

he probably wants to get a reward though.

And...we're about to hit the funding goal.

Yup no reward means the project creator does not get your email address at the end of the project, and can't send you a survey

as for risks, the real risks are those things you can't anticipate like the print company manager stealing all the print companies funds (Sedition Wars), or one of your suppliers flooding and loosing everything (Warzone), your illustrator injuring their hand so badly they can't work (Hell Dorado) or your sculptor sending a 3D file that won't work as is and then just ignoring you when asked to fix it (Endless Fantasy Tactics)

all you can realistically say is if there are problems we'll do the best we can to overcome it

The other interesting thing as far as Dakka is concerned is how this topic is going to be policed as far as non-kickstarter-related comments. I know for sure at least one offtopic comment was posted about the morality, for lack of a better word, of CHS and how they do business in regards to the trial. That comment was rightfully removed and a warning was rightfully posted given to stay on-topic. Good.

Now, however, that they have opened that door themselves; would such a comment still be off-topic? The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

all you can realistically say is if there are problems we'll do the best we can to overcome it

No, you can outline all the things that need to happen between now and the product getting into the hands of the end consumer and put in how you plan on handling those things. You can talk about how the funds will allow for the work needed to be accomplished and in doing so, you'll communicate two very important things to your potential backers:

a) That you're serious about communicating with them and have thought through the whole process and how their pledge will help make the project a reality.

and

b) You're honest and not hiding what the process is behind a vague "just trust us" line.

 Ouze wrote:
The other interesting thing as far as Dakka is concerned is how this topic is going to be policed as far as non-kickstarter-related comments. I know for sure at least one offtopic comment was posted about the morality, for lack of a better word, of CHS and how they do business in regards to the trial. That comment was rightfully removed and a warning was rightfully posted given to stay on-topic. Good.

Now, however, that they have opened that door themselves; would such a comment still be off-topic? The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is off-topic.

Well, we have 2 big threads in Discussions for that, so imo this thread should focus on the product they're producing. The PDF is just a bit of fun, imo- this campaign is really for the walls, and to give CHS a boost for those who want to support them.

So, I'd say that would belong in Dakka Discussions. Edit: Ninja'ed by Janthkin




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And the goal is met already!

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

You can actually pledge any amount, without selecting a "tier" of pledge. Just select "No Reward."

he probably wants to get a reward though.

Not worried about any rewards, I was unaware that one could back any amount regardless of those listed(which makes sense).

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

frozenwastes wrote:Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

To be honest, the only hurdle I forsee is the fact I may be locked up packing orders and a little slow to ship the items out. This is not a new process for myself of Chapterhouse Studios. Worst case scenario I hire a part timer to help me pack orders.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:Very very nice! I've pledged for my set.

I'm curious about the clear colored resin. When things slow down consider an update to showcase some pictures of how that looks - I'd be very interested in seeing it.

I cant promise much regarding photos, since these still need to be sent for printing and molding. The designs are CADed already.

pretre wrote:Design looks great and I may be spoiled by other kickstarters but... $58 entry price seems a bit steep for one Space Undead Defense Line.

Are there going to be stretch freebies, etc. or is just a pre-order kickstarter?

I am thinking about stretch freebies, though to be fair, the cost to the customers is pretty spot on with our cost at the moment. The one thing I was thinking about is a communication rig, but I think some of the terrain set pieces can double as a communication relay or a weapon (the space undead seems that way to me).

AduroT wrote:What are the measurements on those walls going to be?

pretre wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
What are the measurements on those walls going to be?

I would imagine they exactly match the length and height of a certain ADL.

I believe they match what the WH40k rulebook specifies for defense line terrain.

Bolognesus wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

While that's a valid point, maybe raising it in a thread for a KS of a company with plenty of actual experience in producing pretty much the kind of stuff being offered here was not the most opportune moment Besides, they've already got digital designs, they have experience both with the printing service (I believe they've used them plenty of times before by now) and anyone involved in the casting - maybe you should raise that one again on a rather less low-risk KS than this one.

...oh, and pledged. I actually still don't see the need for an aegis line but I play necrons and rather like CHS, and transparent glowy bits always get a rise out of my rather vocal inner child

Agreed, again the risk I can forsee are limited to me needing help to pack and ship the orders instead of myself having the ability to do it myself.

Absolutionis wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Are those elven wall's energy shields going to be cast in clear resin?

Additionally, the wall sections are the energy shield emplacements. The gun platform is the quad-crystal-gun. What's that single gun?

We designed these to be adaptable to the Aegis Defense Line in the WH40k Rulebook along with the 2 different weapon choices.

Deacis657 wrote:To be honest CHS I'm not impressed with the kickstarter... Well, the presentation of the kickstarter when I vist the page. I would suggest uploading a better video for the front page but that's just me.

But on to the good stuff.

Wow, this stuff looks awesome. Your kits have always been quite nice. I will most likely fund this project because I know the quality of your product and you're filling a need for me as a player.
And of course, Welcome back.

I appologize, this is my first attempt at a Kickstarter, and I did the best I could with the resources at hand and the time I had.

pretre wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
What's that single gun?

It is absolutely not an Icarus Lascannon.

Aerethan wrote:WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

One of my friends had a sketch artist do art work based off of the trial teams in the GW vs CHS case. I will be mailing out a copy of this to all parties who pledge.

And we are funded


Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

 Chapterhouse wrote:


And we are funded


Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

And nearly halfway there to my Spess Elfses defenses and guns.

And a 3rd update;

$10.5 k Stretch Goal - Tech Confederacy Terrain - Armored Barriers, 2 weapon options and tech comms relay
Update #3 · Jun 25, 2013 · comment

Stretch Goal 3# Tech Confederacy terrain that is compatible with the Tau defense line rules from the Games Workshop Warhammer 40k 6th edition rules. Each set comes with 4 long and 4 short defensive shields as well as 2 different heavy weapon emplacements and a comms relay.

Backers will be able to pick this kit as the defensive terrain choice for the tier 2-4 rewards.

Nice. So far, we're 3 for 3 on styles that I can use.

Damn! I was hoping 'Tech Confederacy' would be Adeptus Mechanicus with a hint of steampunk.

Congrats on getting funded anyhow.

Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

 Commander Cain wrote:
Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

At the bottom of the description of each pledge level that ships physical product, they list the international shipping cost. For example, one set of =/=ADL is $7 international shipping.

shade1313 wrote:

 Commander Cain wrote:
Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

At the bottom of the description of each pledge level that ships physical product, they list the international shipping cost. For example, one set of =/=ADL is $7 international shipping.

Well I was indeed missing something. No idea how, I am well rehearsed in kickstarters by now!

 Commander Cain wrote:
Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

30 days is a long time, I think I will have the prints on hand before then.

I believe they match what the WH40k rulebook specifies for defense line terrain.

I do not know what size that is. Haven't played any sixth edition and don't own the rule book. I'm wondering if these would be about the right size for Warmachine walls actually, ie ~1" high.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I'd encourage anyone interested in this to check out the ones being Made by Mr Dandy here:

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-linked-barricades/

They're cheaper and don't require anything to be Kickstarted.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'd encourage anyone interested in this to check out the ones being Made by Mr Dandy here:

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-linked-barricades/

They're cheaper and don't require anything to be Kickstarted.

Thanks for the news, do you mind keeping other companies items in the thread about those items though, thank you!


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Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I think someone is mistaken as I didnt even mention of recouping any cost of legal cost or fees in the kickstarter, anywhere... As it is, "This is also ideal for the hobbyist who wants to show support of Chapterhouse Studios recent legal fight to help keep conversion kits for Warhammer 40k on the market. "

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

 Janthkin wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

Indeed. Why I'm wondering about these, as they appear to be a more uniform height across the whole length.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest, the only hurdle I forsee is the fact I may be locked up packing orders and a little slow to ship the items out. This is not a new process for myself of Chapterhouse Studios. Worst case scenario I hire a part timer to help me pack orders.

And you don't see an advantage to letting the backers know that you've got this planned out to the point of planning to hire temporary packing staff if needed?

At best, the whole approach of not using the Challenges & Risks is missing an opportunity to instill confidence in the backers. This is where you take the time to deal with both real issues you foresee and perceived issues your backers might see.

Just look at the information flow as you go down the KS page. You've got all this stuff about what you want to accomplish and loads of content and then a "Nah... everything will be fine" in the section about what challenges you need to meet in order to accomplish what you said you wanted to. If the at-best is that you're missing an opportunity, the at-worst is that it looks fly-by-night to hide your risks and challenges by hand waving them away with a one liner.

AduroT wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

Indeed. Why I'm wondering about these, as they appear to be a more uniform height across the whole length.

I have an image on my other PC showing the height of a marine behind the space elf barriers, the top of the space elf shielding reaches the top of the head of the marine.

frozenwastes wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest, the only hurdle I forsee is the fact I may be locked up packing orders and a little slow to ship the items out. This is not a new process for myself of Chapterhouse Studios. Worst case scenario I hire a part timer to help me pack orders.

And you don't see an advantage to letting the backers know that you've got this planned out to the point of planning to hire temporary packing staff if needed?

At best, the whole approach of not using the Challenges & Risks is missing an opportunity to instill confidence in the backers. This is where you take the time to deal with both real issues you foresee and perceived issues your backers might see.

Just look at the information flow as you go down the KS page. You've got all this stuff about what you want to accomplish and loads of content and then a "Nah... everything will be fine" in the section about what challenges you need to meet in order to accomplish what you said you wanted to. If the at-best is that you're missing an opportunity, the at-worst is that it looks fly-by-night to hide your risks and challenges by hand waving them away with a one liner.

I have addressed at the bottom of the KS now, I hope that is sufficient to address your concerns.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Chapterhouse/Nick, would you happen to have anything made of this clear resin on-hand for photographs? I'm honestly very interested in this Kickstarter, but considering I'm a fan of the elven terrain, the clear resin parts are going to be make-or-break for me.

I'm especially curious how translucent the resin will be and how deep the blue will be.