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Absolutionis wrote:Chapterhouse/Nick, would you happen to have anything made of this clear resin on-hand for photographs? I'm honestly very interested in this Kickstarter, but considering I'm a fan of the elven terrain, the clear resin parts are going to be make-or-break for me.

I'm especially curious how translucent the resin will be and how deep the blue will be.

I will see if our casters have any examples they can show me and post them

AduroT wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

Indeed. Why I'm wondering about these, as they appear to be a more uniform height across the whole length.

The nice thing about CAD is we can make modifications on the run if need be, what are the heights of the ADL from GW? For WH40k LOS for weapons is based off of the eyes of the models, right? So what height would you guys think would be good for the walls and forcefields?

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

The Tech Confederacy line is smashing! Nice job.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Chapterhouse/Nick, would you happen to have anything made of this clear resin on-hand for photographs? I'm honestly very interested in this Kickstarter, but considering I'm a fan of the elven terrain, the clear resin parts are going to be make-or-break for me.

I'm especially curious how translucent the resin will be and how deep the blue will be.

I will see if our casters have any examples they can show me and post them

I guess there's no rush on the matter. Sometime between now and the end of the KS, I believe we'll be getting photographs of the models, and the trenslucency will be revealed there.

Thank you!

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Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.



I think someone is mistaken as I didnt even mention of recouping any cost of legal cost or fees in the kickstarter, anywhere... As it is, "This is also ideal for the hobbyist who wants to show support of Chapterhouse Studios recent legal fight to help keep conversion kits for Warhammer 40k on the market. "

I would hate to say you're lying but your very own facebook page says otherwise.....


Jun 25, 2013 1:36pm



The Chapterhouse Studios 28mm wargaming sci-fi trenches and emplacement kickstarter is live! I have started it with the DarkTech terrain that we designed to be compatible with Necron rules and the first stretch goal is the Space Elf Shielding and weapons emplacements that are compatible with Eldar rules.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te

Each terrain kit will include 4 short and 4 long defensive barriers as well as 2 weapon emplacement types. I will be unlocking terrain that is COMPATIBLE with the following codexes as the project unfolds - Tau, Demons, Chaos Demons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar.

Also I will be releasing new clear colored resin options as the stretch goals are hit.

Please share this link as this will help Chapterhouse Studios recoup the cost of the $25,000 legal fee we have to pay due to standing up to Games Workshop.
Sincerely,
Nick Villacci
Chapterhousestudios.com


I have put in bold and underlined the relevant sentence. Would you care to explain yourself?

What is there to explain?

He didn't post that on Kickstarter and he acknowledged that he didn't post it in the Kickstarter.

That's a Facebook post, on Facebook asking to share the link and it will help them recoup some fees, which points to the Kickstarter.

Facebook isn't Kickstarter. So, his statement remains correct.

Look, we get it. Some of you guys are really against CHS, for whatever reason, but coming in here and threadjacking (there's a better word but filter doesn't like it) isn't good for you or the thread.

So, expect posts to be flagged.

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:


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Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.



I think someone is mistaken as I didnt even mention of recouping any cost of legal cost or fees in the kickstarter, anywhere... As it is, "This is also ideal for the hobbyist who wants to show support of Chapterhouse Studios recent legal fight to help keep conversion kits for Warhammer 40k on the market. "

I would hate to say you're lying but your very own facebook page says otherwise.....


Jun 25, 2013 1:36pm



The Chapterhouse Studios 28mm wargaming sci-fi trenches and emplacement kickstarter is live! I have started it with the DarkTech terrain that we designed to be compatible with Necron rules and the first stretch goal is the Space Elf Shielding and weapons emplacements that are compatible with Eldar rules.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te

Each terrain kit will include 4 short and 4 long defensive barriers as well as 2 weapon emplacement types. I will be unlocking terrain that is COMPATIBLE with the following codexes as the project unfolds - Tau, Demons, Chaos Demons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar.

Also I will be releasing new clear colored resin options as the stretch goals are hit.

Please share this link as this will help Chapterhouse Studios recoup the cost of the $25,000 legal fee we have to pay due to standing up to Games Workshop.
Sincerely,
Nick Villacci
Chapterhousestudios.com


I have put in bold and underlined the relevant sentence. Would you care to explain yourself?

Sure, Chapterhouse Studios is planning on making money from the kickstarter sales of the terrain and that money along with all the capital and income from our sales of general products we currently have on hand will be going towards paying any expenses from the legal battle.

I am surprised I have to spell that out, as it is Business 101 to pay any outstanding debts that are due with income earned. Even so far that I have chosen to cut my salary in half until any outstanding fees are paid. I do not see what you are trying to say or make it look like I am doing...

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

So 'Inquisitor Kallus', who are you also known as usually then. ?

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Maybe he just would rather see the kickstarter funds going toward developing, producing and releasing the kickstarter first and foremost.

 whitedragon wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Maybe he just would rather see the kickstarter funds going toward developing, producing and releasing the kickstarter first and foremost.

Actually, if a company does what it says it will, at the funding level they ask for, its nobody else's damn business what the funds are used for. If the pledge levels are not what the customer is willing to pay, then to use an old white knight-ism, don't pay it.

 whitedragon wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Maybe he just would rather see the kickstarter funds going toward developing, producing and releasing the kickstarter first and foremost.

Contrary to popular belief, people start Kickstarters to engage in a profitable business.

Not to give free stuff to people all over the world at the cost of everything of the creator.

Surely you can't think that if X amount of money is need to produce and item and if X+Y is made in the KS, the creator just burns Y in the fireplace?

Most often X is needed and the KS ends up with X-Y an they lose money at the interest of keeping their business going and generating a good reputation.

All that talk about where the funds are going, I find a bit silly, yes he has obligations to take care of, bills, overhead and so on. The legal fees fall under overhead, the same kind of expense I pay to an attorney when negotiating contracts and such. What KS is trying to avoid is you funding a vacation or some such thing.

If you back for a product and he delivers the product, why should you care what he does with the profits.... KS also says it will not let charities run a KS, what you are basically saying is that you want Nick not to make a profit and run a charity...That is forbidden by KS guidelines.

Thanks everyone, I think the concerned posters get the message.

If they are looking to start a flame fest though I am sure the mods will nip it in the bud.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

If you back for a product and he delivers the product, why should you care what he does with the profits....

This should be rather self-evident. Why does anybody support (or choose not to) support a business? I don't think this is really the can of worms you want to open.

But on the other hand, as a business owner, why even mention it at all? All you (Chapterhouse) do is open yourself up to scrutiny and garner a perception that you are doing something you shouldn't be doing. And then by getting into a drawn out nit-picky argument about it over the internet, you just polarize your customers (and potential customers) even more. Why do you even want to be involved in this type of conversation is beyond me, and your "speed" at which you post in this very thread could then make other detractors accuse you of spending your time poorly. Why even engage in the debate?

Nice stuff!
Thanks Chapterhouse! You have my pledge!

 whitedragon wrote:
Why even engage in the debate?

I agree!

Let's all endeavor to not do this and stay on topic instead.

Thanks!

$7000 hit.

Needs more images of Elven walls now!

Also, images of the next stretch goal. Perhaps something gribbly and biological. Please and thank you.

Stretch Goal 3 - $13.5k

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te/posts/521834

Demon and Heretical Slave Shields...

Not sold on that one. Part of it is the colors used in the rendering, I think (I guess they're rock spires?), but the bound "slave" is going to suffer from repetition across multiple large segments, and doesn't really fit an aesthetic consistent with the collections of toy soldiers I'd want to use it with.

Puns most definitely intended.

I'd trade you for some straight-up crystal walls in appropriate sizes.

ON TOPIC: I think the "not eldar" barriers are pretty cool. The "not necron" stuff isn't quite what I was hoping for though. Still, I think you guys are making great stuff and look forward to more from you. Although I do have doubts about the "demon" barriers. I just don't know why but I'm not really a fan. :/

Side issue: Do you still take projects from hobbyists like the Storm Raven conversion kit that you sell?

 Janthkin wrote:
Not sold on that one. Part of it is the colors used in the rendering, I think (I guess they're rock spires?), but the bound "slave" is going to suffer from repetition across multiple large segments, and doesn't really fit an aesthetic consistent with the collections of toy soldiers I'd want to use it with.

Puns most definitely intended.

I'd trade you for some straight-up crystal walls in appropriate sizes.

Partially agree, like the concept, not sold on the execution (and a demon wall is what I'd be wanting to upgrade my pledge)

Personally, when thinking of building one, I'd been thinking of bones erupting from the earth, connected with tissue, feel free to be inspired by that if you feel the need.

As it stands, I think one slave portion would be better, but suspect that might bugger about with the casting.

I'm went a little giddy when I heard demon walls... Now... I'm a little weirded out by it? I feel like the slaves should be on the short ends so there isn't the "repetition" that is occurring... Also are those female slaves? Or gender mixed?

I like the demon walls a lot, both in concept and mostly in execution. Perhaps add a few joining pieces with crucifixions - the kind of fellows who would be using those kinds of walls seems like they'd also probably be into that sort of thing. Maybe upside down, maybe on stylized chaos stars, I dunno.

The bone idea is pretty good as well.

Not sure what that last orb thing is though.

A flayed victim on a cruciform structure would be:

1. creepier

2. gender neutral

3. appealing to House Bolton fans.

Yet another not-aegis...

I personally am digging the design aesthetic of the Demon ones. Actually really considering getting them for my CSM army now. Hmmm...

Looking closer at the Demon slave picture, it's a female slave with what I would consider to be gratuitous cleavage and... is that something going in between her legs?

 Enigwolf wrote:
is that something going in between her legs?

That looks to be dangling cloth.

More important question is what exactly the spikes are attached to... Are they going through her or just kinda sitting on her back...?

orkybenji wrote:
Yet another not-aegis...

There'll be other stuff down the road. Right now filling gaps created by GW is the most lucrative option for CH.

Here is a banner that we had put together for the Kickstarter if you want to link or post about it.

I don't see a banner.