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 Chapterhouse wrote:

Jaffa! KREE!

Noir wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Some people are still upset the law supports CH, and can't let it go.

Anyways, I love to get my hand on just the 3 blade sword thing.

Eh.. I don't think thats always it.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a fan of CHS. At all. But I like to pretend to believe I can give a fair assessment of their work.

I think it's obvious that there are lot of people that think CHS (almost typed Mantic. Hilarious Freudian Slip there) doesn't do anything original and makes their coin purely off GW derivatives (which is of course a bit hypocritical because GW has a lot of derivitive tropes in their holster). Which I think is ironic in this case, because I actually think the Warp Hunters, while they're IMO pretty mediocre sculpt wise, are original enough for me not to automatically scream "GW Knock off"

If they did some alternative weapon packs, that would certainly pique my interest more than these guys.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 BrookM wrote:
but it would make for a better one if it has more pouches, bedrolls, packs and other parts.... it needs more stuff in it.

What like this one?


Panic...

No...

Not like that one, that one doesn't have any backpacks.

BrookM!!!

 streamdragon wrote:
Jaffa! KREE!

My thoughts exactly! A squad of serpent guard with staff weapons or Zats would be frikkin' iconic. It would go great with the SG-1 team that Hasslefree is putting together.

Loving the new stuff.

Is there any chance we will see some different types of Space Drones? Seem to be lacking the ones that light things up

 Oaka wrote:
I like the Warp Stalker models, but I was expecting counts-as Warp Spiders, not Howling Banshees. Were these models sculpted before the new Eldar codex? No one takes Banshees, but Spiders are incredible.

Yeah, they were sculpted WAY before the new codex came out. Like I said earlier, I'm quite certain these guys were designed before the lawsuit with GW happened. The guy that sculpted them had a long running thread here on Dakka in the P&M Blog section. In fact, here's the link to it.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/345483.page

 Guildsman wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Jaffa! KREE!

My thoughts exactly! A squad of serpent guard with staff weapons or Zats would be frikkin' iconic. It would go great with the SG-1 team that Hasslefree is putting together.

add my +1 to those thoughts. I was likely going to buy a squad just to try to convert up some Jaffa!

I agree with Cincy that moving away from alternative models and back into alternative bits is my preferred cup of tea.

I'm completely happy that CHS decides to fill obvious gaps left by GW's product line, as it's better to have those options than none at all, even if some might think they are mediocre.

These dog/lion models do not fill a gap that I have. The defense lines certainly do, and for a broad customer base.

But certain CHS parts do fill gaps I have, one being jetbikes.

I'm still anticipating that non centurion, because while the rules are decent, the model GW released I find to be lackluster and would be a PITA to get it to fit my army look.

Now that I'm able to see these guys on a computer screen as opposed to my phone, I can finally see that they are supposed to be eldar. At first I didn't really see them as anything, but I was getting a bit of a lynchian vibe from them. Like I could well imagine them standing in the shadowy background while Sting wears leather bikini briefs and shouts "I will kill him!"

 Aerethan wrote:
I agree with Cincy that moving away from alternative models and back into alternative bits is my preferred cup of tea.

I'm completely happy that CHS decides to fill obvious gaps left by GW's product line, as it's better to have those options than none at all, even if some might think they are mediocre.

These dog/lion models do not fill a gap that I have. The defense lines certainly do, and for a broad customer base.

But certain CHS parts do fill gaps I have, one being jetbikes.

I'm still anticipating that non centurion, because while the rules are decent, the model GW released I find to be lackluster and would be a PITA to get it to fit my army look.

This sentiment bothers me. I'm not going to say it's wrong for you, because well, it's not my HHHobby and it's not my place to say how others should enjoy playing with mandollies. But personally, I think we would lose out something fierce if all CHS and similar companies did was limit their sculpting to playing pieces. I know game pieces are their main business draw and the main reason people go to them, but surely there's still a place for their sculptors to exercise a bit of creativity and give us something that we don't strictly speaking need, but something we may want (or may not even know that we want yet).

I'm with a lot of others in that I don't really want these particular guys. But I like that they exist. It's an interesting notion, that the gender of units may affect their iconography and stylization of their equipment. I'd like to see that area explored.

I love them. Had I an Eldar army I'd buy a squad

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I love them. Had I an Eldar army I'd buy a squad

Care to elaborate on what you love about them?

I'd rather see stuff like this from CHS rather than the not-Centurion they're doing. Despite the fact that I think they're ugly, at least they aren't wholly derivitive and have some creative thinking involved.

 cincydooley wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I love them. Had I an Eldar army I'd buy a squad

Care to elaborate on what you love about them?

I'd rather see stuff like this from CHS rather than the not-Centurion they're doing. Despite the fact that I think they're ugly, at least they aren't wholly derivitive and have some creative thinking involved.

But you can't really fault CHS for giving a go at Centurions when there have been so many complaints about how the GW ones look.

All of the Centurions I've seen that look good have been major conversions. The standard ones are lackluster.

We as customers benefit from selection, regardless of if you like the models or not, at least you have an alternative available at all.

I like most things Space Marine but I just don't think much of GW's Centurion concept. Good luck to any company that can make it work but judging by the CHS design sketch and the other designer with his Praetorian not-Centurion I'm not sold at the moment.

 cincydooley wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I love them. Had I an Eldar army I'd buy a squad

Care to elaborate on what you love about them?.

It feels Elder while adding in a baroque-ness that I rather enjoy.

The complaints about the terraness of the masks is...rather shallow IMO. There are theories out there that can correct that. concepts like convergent evolution, which posits that there are only so many solutions to a given physiological problem. And nature tends to favor thenmoset efficient solution. Eyes, for example will probably be pretty much the same, given the same conditions on a home world, and ignoring outliers like infrared.

And who's to say Elder haven't seen Terran Lions? Or brought them to Earth? The Wood Eldar (forgot the term just now) have dinosaurs. Did they take them from Earth?

And on a philosophical note, SciFi is an exploration in humanity. The power of SciFi is examining aspects of humanity through prisms of the inhuman. An aspect of us taken to the extreme. Star Trek does is constantly.

These strike a baroque chord that I don't see in most current ranges. The Roman and Greek masks for example aren't represented.

Pretty much every Space Marine unit has an Eldar analogue. They were designed very similar to one another. There's nothing wrong with a race that has their mythology consist of scorpions, falcons, dragons, hawks, banshees, etc to have known what a lion is.

That being said, the exarch/sergeant's head looks to me like a boar. I think pigs are ugly. The common guys look really cool though.

Okay, is CHS reading my mind now? My Eldar army is based upon the Legend of the Five Rings ccg/rpg world, with each clan assigned to a certain aspect which it represents.

The Howling Banshees in my army?

They're of the Lion Clan.

Definitely not feeling those new models - the posing isn't bad, but I don't like the heads one bit, and the paint scheme frankly is not doing them any favors either.

I am cautiously optimistic about the alternate centurions, though. Games Workshop set the bar pretty damn low on that one. I like the PuppetsWar ones but I very dubious of their casting quality, so we'll see how CHS scores on that niche - there is a lot of room for quality product there, and to be honest actually a lot of room for even middling quality at this point.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Pretty much every Space Marine unit has an Eldar analogue. They were designed very similar to one another. There's nothing wrong with a race that has their mythology consist of scorpions, falcons, dragons, hawks, banshees, etc to have known what a lion is.

That being said, the exarch/sergeant's head looks to me like a boar. I think pigs are ugly. The common guys look really cool though.

.. I always assumed the names given to the eldar aspects/weapons etc. were proscribed to them by Imperials? Kind of like the alien race in Starship troopers are called 'skinnies', but by the humans describing them, rather than a name they gave to themselves. Rather than the Eldar themselves giving special heed to just some animal that comes from the hairy, stupid Mon-Keigh homeworld, or the likelihood of an identical animal evolving separetely on the Eldar Worlds?

I think they look nice though, also as has been said an extremely prudent move for CHS coming up with something that can stand in as a Centurion. You seem to see a few of their Storm Raven kits around, and this one might be popular for similar reasons if they do a half-decent job of it.

At first glance I thought the "not howling banshees" were based on the Predator.

I don't have an Eldar codex and don't know what a howling banshee is.

To be honest, I think the biggest issue with the Lions is that it's meant to be replacing a unit that is... well, let's just say that they're a very niche unit. I don't know how many people will actually consider picking them up for use with the Eldar codex (at least, until the inevitable Biel-Tan supplement does SOMETHING to make them useful).

 Kilkrazy wrote:
At first glance I thought the "not howling banshees" were based on the Predator.

I don't have an Eldar codex and don't know what a howling banshee is.

Striking Scorpions are based on The Predator, especially in their newest sculpts.

 Magc8Ball wrote:
To be honest, I think the biggest issue with the Lions is that it's meant to be replacing a unit that is... well, let's just say that they're a very niche unit. I don't know how many people will actually consider picking them up for use with the Eldar codex (at least, until the inevitable Biel-Tan supplement does SOMETHING to make them useful).

Conversion Material?

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I love them. Had I an Eldar army I'd buy a squad

Care to elaborate on what you love about them?.

It feels Elder while adding in a baroque-ness that I rather enjoy.

The complaints about the terraness of the masks is...rather shallow IMO. There are theories out there that can correct that. concepts like convergent evolution, which posits that there are only so many solutions to a given physiological problem. And nature tends to favor thenmoset efficient solution. Eyes, for example will probably be pretty much the same, given the same conditions on a home world, and ignoring outliers like infrared.

And who's to say Elder haven't seen Terran Lions? Or brought them to Earth? The Wood Eldar (forgot the term just now) have dinosaurs. Did they take them from Earth?

And on a philosophical note, SciFi is an exploration in humanity. The power of SciFi is examining aspects of humanity through prisms of the inhuman. An aspect of us taken to the extreme. Star Trek does is constantly.

These strike a baroque chord that I don't see in most current ranges. The Roman and Greek masks for example aren't represented.

Convergent evolution would be stretch to describe lions and tigers and bears developing independently on an alien world. I think the desire that aliens look alien is far from shallow it requires a lot less of a stretch of the imagination and would be more consistent with the aliens in this genre. But to each is own I know there will be no lions in my banshee squad ( when I start using them again lol)

Ha! Wow, I'd been thinking of how to model a homebrew beast-like aspect.

PalmerC wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I love them. Had I an Eldar army I'd buy a squad

Care to elaborate on what you love about them?.

It feels Elder while adding in a baroque-ness that I rather enjoy.

The complaints about the terraness of the masks is...rather shallow IMO. There are theories out there that can correct that. concepts like convergent evolution, which posits that there are only so many solutions to a given physiological problem. And nature tends to favor thenmoset efficient solution. Eyes, for example will probably be pretty much the same, given the same conditions on a home world, and ignoring outliers like infrared.

And who's to say Elder haven't seen Terran Lions? Or brought them to Earth? The Wood Eldar (forgot the term just now) have dinosaurs. Did they take them from Earth?

And on a philosophical note, SciFi is an exploration in humanity. The power of SciFi is examining aspects of humanity through prisms of the inhuman. An aspect of us taken to the extreme. Star Trek does is constantly.

These strike a baroque chord that I don't see in most current ranges. The Roman and Greek masks for example aren't represented.

Convergent evolution would be stretch to describe lions and tigers and bears developing independently on an alien world. I think the desire that aliens look alien is far from shallow it requires a lot less of a stretch of the imagination and would be more consistent with the aliens in this genre. But to each is own I know there will be no lions in my banshee squad ( when I start using them again lol)

But not so much of a stretch to say that a top level predator wouldn't necessarily look similar. Eyes mouth teeth claws etc. You are only seeing a vague image of ones head. Not the whole animal.

And since when is 40k a bastion of original ideas and unique truly alien aliens? Its not. A dozen or so bipedal humanoid species you don't bat an eye at, but one predator who's head might possibly resemble a lion is too much?

They could be stand ins for Farrow Slaughterhausers if one were opposed to those models.

Not bad, really.

I have one word for the people arguing about Eldar fauna - gyrinx

Eldar already have felines. So it's no stretch of the imagination to imagine that Eldar worlds might have at one time had large predatory felines (or that during the crazy pre-fall times some Eldar didn't engineer some just for the hell of it.) So these guys don't break the backstory. You don't have to like them, but they fit.

Loving the Eldar and Chaos defensive walls (handy as I play both Eldar and CSM).

I can see myself getting both of these. Any idea when they will be on sale?

 JOHIRA wrote:
I have one word for the people arguing about Eldar fauna - gyrinx

Eldar already have felines. So it's no stretch of the imagination to imagine that Eldar worlds might have at one time had large predatory felines (or that during the crazy pre-fall times some Eldar didn't engineer some just for the hell of it.) So these guys don't break the backstory. You don't have to like them, but they fit.

lol Fair enough I stand corrected now that I know that there is an overgrown fluffy empathetic housecat in their lore I will have to just join the folks that do not like this particular model. I do really like the defence lines though.

 JOHIRA wrote:
I have one word for the people arguing about Eldar fauna - gyrinx

Eldar already have felines. So it's no stretch of the imagination to imagine that Eldar worlds might have at one time had large predatory felines (or that during the crazy pre-fall times some Eldar didn't engineer some just for the hell of it.) So these guys don't break the backstory. You don't have to like them, but they fit.

Not just that but remember that the Eldar are a product of the Old Ones. The Old Ones created humanity (and theoretically they created Earth itself and the species living there).