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It is an old myth, if your Dorm Mate died, you get an A in every class for the semester, because you are grieving.

I feel that people are having a little too much... fun? with this.

Maybe it's just me. I get that it's probably a coping mechanism against some of this stupidity buut...

A lot of this stupidity is a result of people growing up being exposed to stuff that was pretty stupid. There's a lot of crazy messed up stuff people I know have been subjected to because of what they looked like and they have a hard time not seeing things a certain way because that's all they've been given by jerks who are now probably dead.



-'Stupid' can refer here to 'racist' or 'race-baiting' or 'just-plain-wrong-headedness.'

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Oh yah. And one of them is only to a Historically Black College. That's not discriminatory at all. And quite frankly, I don't understand how these universities are still allowed to exist.

They are not black only, though in the past they were when they had to be, they just tend to have a black majority as opposed to most universities that have white majorities.

Oh no, I understand why they used to exist. But to pretend that there's not a gakload of passive racism inherent in them now is silly. I mean, I guess it's a good thing that as a whole they're mediocre schools and they're not highly desirably to go to.

Regardless, give the money to someone deserving. In addition to proving herself to be a moron, Jeantel also proved she's an incredible racist in her interviews. Why in the sloppy feth is she deserving of a college scholarship?

It's reality like this that makes the movie "Soul Man" look like an intelligent comment on today's society.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

I'm just going to leave that there for you all.....








.... Yup, you read that right. The DOJ has opened up a "tip line" email address to solicit help from the "public" in their investigation of George Zimmerman

I don't have the appropriate picture for it but..... IT'S A TRAP!!!!

 Scrabb wrote:
I feel that people are having a little too much... fun? with this.

Maybe it's just me. I get that it's probably a coping mechanism against some of this stupidity buut...

A lot of this stupidity is a result of people growing up being exposed to stuff that was pretty stupid. There's a lot of crazy messed up stuff people I know have been subjected to because of what they looked like and they have a hard time not seeing things a certain way because that's all they've been given by jerks who are now probably dead.



-'Stupid' can refer here to 'racist' or 'race-baiting' or 'just-plain-wrong-headedness.'

The sad reality is all the ridiculousness surrounding this verdict. People basically want to turn over the verdict. We have government officials trying to dictate new policy following the outcome. Holder just spoke out against Stand Your Ground and how the Zimmerman showed that the law doesn't work. Only SYG wasn't even in play!! We have people giving unworthy people college scholarships simply because she was on the phone with Martin. And it's not like she availed herself in the trial or thus far on TV.

The absurdity of it all is, to me, just shocking. I'm incredulous. Something like 30 Black Americans were killed in Chicago during the trial in same race crime, and this is wha were talking about? This is what people are protesting about? Seriously?

It's not that we're making light of what was a really unfortunate event (I can't use tragic; tragic is a kid getting hit by a drunk driver and killed. Tragic is not a 17 year old attacking a dude that was following him and getting shot), its just that everything following the trial now is so absurd it's hard to believe. People want their pound of flesh, and their dumping all reason and rationality to get it.

One thing that's coming home to me is to hope nothing really serious happens in this country. If the all idiots, with the government being the top one, come out to play over something like this verdict, it's going to be really jolly in a true national emergency.

I was stuck in the hospital waiting room today (waiting to get a couple boring tests done, nothin serious) and Fox News had GZ's brother on the air.


One of the main things that he said really stuck with me through out the day: The jury found GZ not guilty. That doesn't mean that nothing happened. People that are "protesting" and rioting and whatnot seem to have this belief that a not guilty means that the "guvment" is hiding gak, or makes it as if this never happened. GZ still has to live with what happened, and probably has some regrets about the whole thing, sure he's not guilty of commiting the crimes he was on trial for, but the fact remains, he killed another person, and now has to hang that on his conscience for the rest of his life.

 cincydooley wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So does she get an A for the first year because her friend died?

Isn't that the premise for a movie?

Yes, It is called Dead man on campus.

Two guys are failing because of their partying habits, and they start interviewing people to be their roommate. They try to find the one person that will kill themselves so they can pass all of their classes.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118301/

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I was stuck in the hospital waiting room today (waiting to get a couple boring tests done, nothin serious) and Fox News had GZ's brother on the air.


One of the main things that he said really stuck with me through out the day: The jury found GZ not guilty. That doesn't mean that nothing happened. People that are "protesting" and rioting and whatnot seem to have this belief that a not guilty means that the "guvment" is hiding gak, or makes it as if this never happened. GZ still has to live with what happened, and probably has some regrets about the whole thing, sure he's not guilty of commiting the crimes he was on trial for, but the fact remains, he killed another person, and now has to hang that on his conscience for the rest of his life.

That is something that people on both sides are forgetting at times I think.

"Not Guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" is not the the same as innocent.

For people protesting on the "he should have been found guilty" side that means that nobody is saying that he didn't do anything wrong. He screwed up, the juror that has talked admitted that they all pretty much agreed that Zimmerman made mistakes and had bad judgement. But the prosecution was unable to prove beyond a doubt that what he did was a criminal act that fit within the charges that were filed.

For people speaking for the "he is vindicated" side that means that he was not, in any way, found innocent. The vedict doesn't mean that he didn't do anything wrong. The verdict doesn't mean that he followed all the rules and had good judgement. The verdict doesn't mean that the jurors approved of what, or that they agreed that he should have done it. There is a difference between "not guilty" and "he did nothing wrong".

He is not a criminal, nor is he an innocent blameless victim.

 d-usa wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I was stuck in the hospital waiting room today (waiting to get a couple boring tests done, nothin serious) and Fox News had GZ's brother on the air.


One of the main things that he said really stuck with me through out the day: The jury found GZ not guilty. That doesn't mean that nothing happened. People that are "protesting" and rioting and whatnot seem to have this belief that a not guilty means that the "guvment" is hiding gak, or makes it as if this never happened. GZ still has to live with what happened, and probably has some regrets about the whole thing, sure he's not guilty of commiting the crimes he was on trial for, but the fact remains, he killed another person, and now has to hang that on his conscience for the rest of his life.

That is something that people on both sides are forgetting at times I think.

"Not Guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" is not the the same as innocent.

For people protesting on the "he should have been found guilty" side that means that nobody is saying that he didn't do anything wrong. He screwed up, the juror that has talked admitted that they all pretty much agreed that Zimmerman made mistakes and had bad judgement. But the prosecution was unable to prove beyond a doubt that what he did was a criminal act that fit within the charges that were filed.

For people speaking for the "he is vindicated" side that means that he was not, in any way, found innocent. The vedict doesn't mean that he didn't do anything wrong. The verdict doesn't mean that he followed all the rules and had good judgement. The verdict doesn't mean that the jurors approved of what, or that they agreed that he should have done it. There is a difference between "not guilty" and "he did nothing wrong".

He is not a criminal, nor is he an innocent blameless victim.

I agree for the most part.

This does seem to be becoming a witch-hunt at this point though.

Maybe hispanics need to start protesting the unfair treatment. Time for LaRaza you steenking gringos!

Worry about today's youth and young adults....actually those individuals who are .5 physical ability...you all need to work out more. I'm waiting now on a lawsuit against DoJ for harassment...profiling.....civil rights violation....or whatever they can stick on DoJ for trying to try Z again...

This is one of those times I am sad I called it right when I said that the government was going to do all they can to get him convicted one way or the other.

Relapse wrote:
This is one of those times I am sad I called it right when I said that the government was going to do all they can to get him convicted one way or the other.

So don't you trust American legal system then?

Oh Great Wiener Dog no.

 Crimson wrote:

Relapse wrote:
This is one of those times I am sad I called it right when I said that the government was going to do all they can to get him convicted one way or the other.

So don't you trust American legal system then?

I said that the government wanted to see Zimmerman convicted and would go above and beyond to see it happen in order to appease the mob. Lo and behold, they've got a tip line now to continue their vendetta against him. It's too bad they don't go to this effort for all the black on white hate crime.

 Frazzled wrote:
Maybe hispanics need to start protesting the unfair treatment. Time for LaRaza you steenking gringos!

LaRaza isn't for George Zimmerman.

Relapse wrote:

It's too bad they don't go to this effort for all the black on white hate crime.

Yes, there really is a huge problem of judiciary going easy on blacks who commit violent crimes against whites! Seriously, what the feth man?

 Crimson wrote:

Relapse wrote:
This is one of those times I am sad I called it right when I said that the government was going to do all they can to get him convicted one way or the other.

So don't you trust American legal system then?

The American legal system is an eldritch cabal of cops, lawyers, and people in bathrobes. It is one of the most untrustworthy institutions in the universe that we know of.

 rubiksnoob wrote:
The American legal system is an eldritch cabal of cops, lawyers, and people in bathrobes. It is one of the most untrustworthy institutions in the universe that we know of.

But it is missing horsehair wigs

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 rubiksnoob wrote:
The American legal system is an eldritch cabal of cops, lawyers, and people in bathrobes. It is one of the most untrustworthy institutions in the universe that we know of.

But it is missing horsehair wigs

They lost the wigs so they could hide in plain sight.

 rubiksnoob wrote:

The American legal system is an eldritch cabal of cops, lawyers, and people in bathrobes. It is one of the most untrustworthy institutions in the universe that we know of.

I totally agree. It is just funny how people seem to like the system when it delivers results they prefer, but deem it horrible when it does something they don't like.

 Crimson wrote:

Relapse wrote:

It's too bad they don't go to this effort for all the black on white hate crime.

Yes, there really is a huge problem of judiciary going easy on blacks who commit violent crimes against whites! Seriously, what the feth man?

See, and here you really express how little you know about our country. He wasn't talking about any judiciary or any common court. He was talking about the DoJ. Further, the murder of whites by blacks, racial implications or not, aren't even remotely covered like this in the media.

I mean, I sort of appreciate your "input" here but your ignorance about a lot of things regarding the United States judicial system and media coverage make it painfully obvious that you don't have a ton to add.

And speaking of morons in America, I had to old man call the cops on two teenage girls that were lying in the middle of a dark street in my neighborhood, just around a dark corner. My wife tried to nicely tell them it was unsafe. The gave her bitch looks. Then I told them I'd call the cops so I'd advise them not to lay back in the street. We walked away no less than 15 feet and they were right back there. So I called dispatch

I'm pretty sure this makes me a cantankerous old man, but what the flying feth.


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 Crimson wrote:

 rubiksnoob wrote:

The American legal system is an eldritch cabal of cops, lawyers, and people in bathrobes. It is one of the most untrustworthy institutions in the universe that we know of.

I totally agree. It is just funny how people seem to like the system when it delivers results they prefer, but deem it horrible when it does something they don't like.

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Make no mistake: the jury made the right decision here based on the cases presented. Those people should be lauded for actually following the law and the instructions of the court rather than voting with their "hearts."

And like others here have already stated: none of this means Zimmerman is vindicated. Hes not. He's got to live with this for the rest of his life. A young man is dead. Zimmerman didn't rejoice at being acquitted. Hell, he barely looked relieved. But he didn't deserve to go to prison for murder here.

 Crimson wrote:

Relapse wrote:

It's too bad they don't go to this effort for all the black on white hate crime.

Yes, there really is a huge problem of judiciary going easy on blacks who commit violent crimes against whites! Seriously, what the feth man?

Just go back a few posts to see examples of what I'm talking about. Aside from that, I all along said if Zimmerman was found innocent, the government wasn't going to let this jury have the final say if it could be helped.


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Relapse wrote:

It's too bad they don't go to this effort for all the black on white hate crime.

Yes, there really is a huge problem of judiciary going easy on blacks who commit violent crimes against whites! Seriously, what the feth man?

See, and here you really express how little you know about our country. He wasn't talking about any judiciary or any common court. He was talking about the DoJ. Further, the murder of whites by blacks, racial implications or not, aren't even remotely covered like this in the media.

I mean, I sort of appreciate your "input" here but your ignorance about a lot of things regarding the United States judicial system and media coverage make it painfully obvious that you don't have a ton to add.

And speaking of morons in America, I had to old man call the cops on two teenage girls that were lying in the middle of a dark street in my neighborhood, just around a dark corner. My wife tried to nicely tell them it was unsafe. The gave her bitch looks. Then I told them I'd call the cops so I'd advise them not to lay back in the street. We walked away no less than 15 feet and they were right back there. So I called dispatch

I'm pretty sure this makes me a cantankerous old man, but what the flying feth.


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 Crimson wrote:

 rubiksnoob wrote:

The American legal system is an eldritch cabal of cops, lawyers, and people in bathrobes. It is one of the most untrustworthy institutions in the universe that we know of.

I totally agree. It is just funny how people seem to like the system when it delivers results they prefer, but deem it horrible when it does something they don't like.

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Make no mistake: the jury made the right decision here based on the cases presented. Those people should be lauded for actually following the law and the instructions of the court rather than voting with their "hearts."

And like others here have already stated: none of this means Zimmerman is vindicated. Hes not. He's got to live with this for the rest of his life. A young man is dead. Zimmerman didn't rejoice at being acquitted. Hell, he barely looked relieved. But he didn't deserve to go to prison for murder here.

This right here is what I'm talking about.

Pick up that can Civilian......what?! You did not know?!? The American Legal System has been replaced by UCMJ. Since you disobeyed a lawful order of....."points to the "Do Not Litter" sign you are hearby sentence to 45 days confinement (Restriction), 45 Days of Extra duty (community service) which we are allowed to only grant you four hrs sleep, and $500 dollar fine. Unless you want to take this trial where a lot worse can happen to you.




Through Service is the path to Citizenship

 cincydooley wrote:

Make no mistake: the jury made the right decision here based on the cases presented. Those people should be lauded for actually following the law and the instructions of the court rather than voting with their "hearts."

And like others here have already stated: none of this means Zimmerman is vindicated. Hes not. He's got to live with this for the rest of his life. A young man is dead. Zimmerman didn't rejoice at being acquitted. Hell, he barely looked relieved. But he didn't deserve to go to prison for murder here.

I think he may have still qualified for manslaughter. But everything else I agree with, like I said previously.

Of course we have an example of a healthy discourse and disagreement here, and the media can't have that.

 Crimson wrote:

 whembly wrote:

And interestingly... in Florida, Zimmerman may be immune to any civil lawsuits.

And that's probably for the best, as much as I did not like outcome of the trial it should be respected and harassing Zimmerman with further lawsuits doesn't seem right. But US legal system is a weird anyway, so I'm not sure how any of this works. What is the difference between criminal and civil lawsuits?

Essentially civil cases are generally brought by private individuals or corporations seeking to collect money owed or monetary damages. The standards to win is generally lower than a criminal case.

A criminal case is brought by the local, state or federal government in response to a suspected violation of law and seeks a fine, a jail sentence or both.

 cincydooley wrote:

See, and here you really express how little you know about our country. He wasn't talking about any judiciary or any common court. He was talking about the DoJ.

I know.

Further, the murder of whites by blacks, racial implications or not, aren't even remotely covered like this in the media.

Yes, you are right. They just get slightly harsher sentences than whites get for same crimes. Business as usual.

I mean, I sort of appreciate your "input" here but your ignorance about a lot of things regarding the United States judicial system and media coverage make it painfully obvious that you don't have a ton to add.

I'd have to say that is fairly obvious what part of the American media you follow.




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 whembly wrote:

Essentially civil cases are generally brought by private individuals or corporations seeking to collect money owed or monetary damages. The standards to win is generally lower than a criminal case.

A criminal case is brought by the local, state or federal government in response to a suspected violation of law and seeks a fine, a jail sentence or both.

Ok, thanks. So it was actually pretty much as I assumed. I can't see how that could apply here.

 Crimson wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Essentially civil cases are generally brought by private individuals or corporations seeking to collect money owed or monetary damages. The standards to win is generally lower than a criminal case.

A criminal case is brought by the local, state or federal government in response to a suspected violation of law and seeks a fine, a jail sentence or both.

Ok, thanks. So it was actually pretty much as I assumed. I can't see how that could apply here.

Well... in most states, you can sue in civil court in this scenario... for things like "Wrongful Death / Negligent Homicide". The standard to win is much lower than in criminal court. That's how you got a Not Guilty OJ Simpson in criminal court, but was found Negligent in his wife's death in civil court.

However, in florida, there's statute that if you're found not guilty of murder (for justified defense), then you're immune to further lawsuits AND, if someone did try to sue you, and the court sides with you... then the LOSER would have to pay for your court & attorney fees.

 d-usa wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

Make no mistake: the jury made the right decision here based on the cases presented. Those people should be lauded for actually following the law and the instructions of the court rather than voting with their "hearts."

And like others here have already stated: none of this means Zimmerman is vindicated. Hes not. He's got to live with this for the rest of his life. A young man is dead. Zimmerman didn't rejoice at being acquitted. Hell, he barely looked relieved. But he didn't deserve to go to prison for murder here.

I think he may have still qualified for manslaughter. But everything else I agree with, like I said previously.

Of course we have an example of a healthy discourse and disagreement here, and the media can't have that.

Oh I totally think he could have qualified for involuntary manslaughter. He was reckless. But his recklessness technically didn't precipitate the shooting. The attack did. Huge grey area there for sure.


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 Crimson wrote:

I'd have to say that is fairly obvious what part of the American media you follow.

Enlighten me.