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Eldar can field a pure T5+ army with ease as well... but don't forget Kroot all come with sniper rounds as well, meaning they can just ignore that advantage.

 Savageconvoy wrote:

I hate that Necrons can bring back entire squads unless I dedicate overkill amounts of firepower to completely destroy one squad.

Yes, because rolling 10 or so 5s at once is completely commonplace.

The person i play the most is a Tau player- and this is why i hate him.
Firstly- The main weakness of the Tau is also the think they are equipped the best to deal with. They can get extreme overwatch and massive amounts of fire that can decimate things attempting to charge them.
And the kroot are absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Markerlighting a monstrous creature and getting 20 sniper shots hitting on 2's is just stupid in my opinion. Then you need three 6's and a Wraithlord is dead 6 6's will kill a wraithknight without the shield.. Now if they cost a fair amount of points it would be okay- but they are dirt cheap too and use cover so much.
Armies like Eldar have nothing to remove a cover save other than templates. The only one which would be useful being the nightspinner, but then tau have so much vehicle destruction that it is unrealistic to get close enough.
Everything has so much range that Tau are always outshooting me. And they never have to move because of outflanking kroot which can capture objectives.
And finally, just to piss me off even more. They can move up to 12 inches away from me in the assault phase, meaning that they can always be hiding in cover and any short range gun is out of range, even with battle focus.
In my opinion- Infantry are gunned down, Vehicles are gunned down, High toughness is gunned down, Deep striking is gunned down, and that little unit that manages to get get close enough to declare a charge... Is then gunned down by the combined overwatch.
But for me. The Kroot are by far the worst things in the army.

Rant over...
Having said all that... He hasn't actually beat me in a game yet and we have played loads, but that is because he isn't a great player.
(60 kroot in 5th edition... Why?)

 TWilkins wrote:
The person i play the most is a Tau player- and this is why i hate him.
Firstly- The main weakness of the Tau is also the think they are equipped the best to deal with. They can get extreme overwatch and massive amounts of fire that can decimate things attempting to charge them.
And the kroot are absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Markerlighting a monstrous creature and getting 20 sniper shots hitting on 2's is just stupid in my opinion. Then you need three 6's and a Wraithlord is dead 6 6's will kill a wraithknight without the shield.. Now if they cost a fair amount of points it would be okay- but they are dirt cheap too and use cover so much.
Armies like Eldar have nothing to remove a cover save other than templates. The only one which would be useful being the nightspinner, but then tau have so much vehicle destruction that it is unrealistic to get close enough.
Everything has so much range that Tau are always outshooting me. And they never have to move because of outflanking kroot which can capture objectives.
And finally, just to piss me off even more. They can move up to 12 inches away from me in the assault phase, meaning that they can always be hiding in cover and any short range gun is out of range, even with battle focus.
In my opinion- Infantry are gunned down, Vehicles are gunned down, High toughness is gunned down, Deep striking is gunned down, and that little unit that manages to get get close enough to declare a charge... Is then gunned down by the combined overwatch.
But for me. The Kroot are by far the worst things in the army.

Rant over...
Having said all that... He hasn't actually beat me in a game yet and we have played loads, but that is because he isn't a great player.
(60 kroot in 5th edition... Why?)

Eldar have Wave Serpents that can shoot 60" D6 S7 shots (usually twinlinked) that ignore cover. The Nightspinner has barrage and torrent attacks that rend and are S7 against most Tau. Jetbikes and Warpspiders are fast and maneuverable enough to get around cover. Tau castling up on you? Just run a couple of WS loaded down with D-scythe Wraithguard and drop them off right in front of them, problem solved. Sorry, but of all armies, Eldar have the least to fear from Tau.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Eldar have Wave Serpents that can shoot 60" D6 S7 shots (usually twinlinked) that ignore cover. The Nightspinner has barrage and torrent attacks that rend and are S7 against most Tau. Jetbikes and Warpspiders are fast and maneuverable enough to get around cover. Tau castling up on you? Just run a couple of WS loaded down with D-scythe Wraithguard and drop them off right in front of them, problem solved. Sorry, but of all armies, Eldar have the least to fear from Tau.

Oh yeah- Sorry about the wave serpents- I don't have any so i kind of forget about them.
But i disagree that Eldar have the least to fear from Tau- Those Wraithguard you mentioned can be destroyed pretty quickly with battlesuits and even fire warriors- who can wound them on 5's. And let's not forget Kroot
And Wraithguard only have 12" Or template range. Which things like suits can easily keep away from if they are using assault jumps. So unless you have a spiritseer with Voice of Twilight then you're in some trouble.

And i forgot to rant about the thing that gives your weapons the get's hot special rule. How the hell is a triskele ever going to get hot?!

I really like the Tau (am considering getting a 2nd army of them) but will be honest I hate playing against them for all the reasons listed above. The only advantage that I have (have played against the new Tau twice) is I take so many flyers that it becomes a problem of target priority for my opponent with my IG. The other game I was playtesting a Mechdar list and I ironically was able to outshoot him in the first turn (he had bad luck with markerlights).

Really that is the only thing I find stupid and a little annoying about their codex is the amount of cheap markerlights or rahter "magic laser pointers of doom" that they can get and some of the shinanigans that they can do. I will admit I tease my buddies who have Tau but not about the game, just the fact that they are "blue berries"

I think it was fairer when a markerlight could minus 1 from a cover save. Now it costs 2 to remove it.
"Some Eldar Pathfinders with a 2+ cover save? Don't worry, we'll land 2 markerlights and then kill them with fire warriors. That's a nice 250 point squad with nothing to save it."

Actually, that's a point: how many AP2 weapons outside the Tau Codex can ignore cover (without the use of psychic powers)? The only non-template weapon I can think of is the Deathstrike Missile...

Potentially flash gitz, but not reliably.

 Ascalam wrote:
Potentially flash gitz, but not reliably.

SoB Retributors with the Easy-Bake setup, potentially, but that relies on a lot of 6s and assumes the AoF goes off in the first instance.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Actually, that's a point: how many AP2 weapons outside the Tau Codex can ignore cover (without the use of psychic powers)? The only non-template weapon I can think of is the Deathstrike Missile...

On the flipside, how many codices have zero psykers (and zero non-psyker anti-psykers units to boot, rendering zero defense options in that field)?

I count SoB, and they are too outdated to be even relevant to a proper discussion of what's "fair", everyone else got at least something, and some got insane accesses.

Dark Eldar.

One piece of anti-psyker wargear that no-one ever takes because it's crap. No Psykers.

Orks do have psykers, but they are by and large a joke. No psychic defense worth a damn (DTW is about it)

 Ascalam wrote:
Dark Eldar.

One piece of anti-psyker wargear that no-one ever takes because it's crap. No Psykers.

Orks do have psykers, but they are by and large a joke. No psychic defense worth a damn (DTW is about it)

And necrons. They also have a crappy anti psy device (seriously, 3"? How is that going to protect anything?)

And Templars, who have access to the least amount of (non-Brotherhood of Psykers) psykers of anyone in the game.

They have strong psy defense though, don't they?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They have strong psy defense though, don't they?

You get an army-wide 5+ DTW if you give up Rage. So yeah, no.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They have strong psy defense though, don't they?

You get an army-wide 5+ DTW if you give up Rage. So yeah, no.

Ouch. Yeah, I see what you mean.

When i started back in 5th I picked GKs b/c I love psykers and there were people even who refused to play the new guy b/c GK were OP. I know how the OP feels.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:

I hate that Necrons can bring back entire squads unless I dedicate overkill amounts of firepower to completely destroy one squad.

Yes, because rolling 10 or so 5s at once is completely commonplace.

Well you only need 4s if you have a Resorb lord handy, and the Ghost Ark can make more Necrons stand back up. But if you're taking Arks, you're not taking Night Scythes.

 Kain wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:

I hate that Necrons can bring back entire squads unless I dedicate overkill amounts of firepower to completely destroy one squad.

Yes, because rolling 10 or so 5s at once is completely commonplace.

Well you only need 4s if you have a Resorb lord handy, and the Ghost Ark can make more Necrons stand back up. But if you're taking Arks, you're not taking Night Scythes.

And if you're taking arks that means that your bolters that you can shoot with are handily reinforced by more... bolters. Except pointed in awkward directions, and half of which have to snap fire if you move six inches.

Happened again man. This one guy wont stop insulting toy, he keeps making coi marks about tau and how op they are.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Happened again man. This one guy wont stop insulting toy, he keeps making coi marks about tau and how op they are.

Life sucks dude.

I could point you to the 1000 page GK hate thread. I doubt it would do much good.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Happened again man. This one guy wont stop insulting toy, he keeps making coi marks about tau and how op they are.

Stab him in the eye.... Or like, ignore him... whatever.

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Happened again man. This one guy wont stop insulting toy, he keeps making coi marks about tau and how op they are.

Life sucks dude.

I could point you to the 1000 page GK hate thread. I doubt it would do much good.

Ironically, GK is who I lost to.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Happened again man. This one guy wont stop insulting toy, he keeps making coi marks about tau and how op they are.

Life sucks dude.

I could point you to the 1000 page GK hate thread. I doubt it would do much good.

Ironically, GK is who I lost to.

If hes oldgk, point out to him he has no room to talk about going from a meh out of date codex to cheese. If hes not from old GK, point out to him GK cheese and bandwagoning.

Oh he didnt complain about my army. ITs this other guy constantly comments on tau and my army is particular.

Tau has a new codex.

Not everyone has had time to understand all it's rules.

Marker lights in particular can "ignore" certain rules that some armies depend on to survive.

People do not tend to take ownership of their ignorance so claim it is the fault of the codex rather than them not reading it or getting at least a summary.

You do not make the rules, he does not get to ignore them.

He should take his beating with a smile and buy a Tau codex.

That is the weirdest part, he has the tau codex to read(His son plays them).
When HE complained and i mentioned the rules he should know from tau because he has the codex aswell, he insulted me by saying im young and dont work and has no life so i can focus on this game(When i was taking a full load at college no less)

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
That is the weirdest part, he has the tau codex to read(His son plays them).
When HE complained and i mentioned the rules he should know from tau because he has the codex aswell, he insulted me by saying im young and dont work and has no life so i can focus on this game(When i was taking a full load at college no less)

Just ignore them, its just like trolls on the interwebs, don't feed them

to bad there is no yellow triangle of friendship irl

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Oh he didnt complain about my army. ITs this other guy constantly comments on tau and my army is particular.

Preferably ignoring and showing no signs of irritation will make him stop. That being said, what does he play?