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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 06:56:42
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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The only times I've ever bought a rulebook not for the rules:
-when I was about to get the rogue trader core set for like $5
-twice with Forge World, and regretted one of those.
-the coffe table books for the chaos factions, the Uplifting Primer, and a couple others. Technically not rules books, but certainly gaming, since they aren't novels or w/e
No way would I spend that much for 2 pages of rules. I'm offended enough to be expected to pay $10 for a No Quarter with some drivel, previews, and 2 pages of theme lists.
The gaming book worth that sort of price with nearly no gaming value is nearly as rare as said unicorn leather.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 06:59:11
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
Los Angeles, CA
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Ya, I don't think you're supposed to buy the supplement just for the 2 pages of rules =P it's more if you're interested in more backstory and such.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 07:04:47
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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spiralingcadaver wrote:
No way would I spend that much for 2 pages of rules. I'm offended enough to be expected to pay $10 for a No Quarter with some drivel, previews, and 2 pages of theme lists.
The gaming book worth that sort of price with nearly no gaming value is nearly as rare as said unicorn leather.
I paid less for some of my university textbooks, and some of those I still end up using all the time (I do appreciate those rare gems). It's pretty telling when my university's book store starts to look cheap.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 07:20:53
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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People really need to stop obsessing over the rules. The rules are the least important part of the Iyanden supplement and, as pointed out frequently, not the reason to buy it.
Buy it for the background and history and the historical missions that allow you to re-create the Iyanden background on the table. And to make these missions work, they've also added a few rules... big deal.
It's really more a Crusade of Fire-style book, but build around an actual faction (and their history in the 40K universe) instead of some pointless conflict made up only for Crusade of Fire, which noone ever heard about before.
I really don't see how this is a problem. If you are genuinely interesting in Iyanden (or Farsight); you want that background, whether it has rules or not (for Iyanden at least, as the fluff is pure brilliance, we'll see how it'll go for Farsight). If you aren't interested in Iyanden, there'd be no reason to buy this book, even if it came with several hundred pages of rules, no?
Not to mention that, for games in general, rules should always be less, not more, if humanly possible. A game (gaming supplement) with 20 pages of rules is usually superior to a game (gaming supplement) with 50 pages of rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 07:27:01
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
Los Angeles, CA
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Besides, if you're only interested in the rules, why would you even buy this thing? I'm sure you could have a friend tell you the few rules that are in there =P
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 07:35:12
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:If you aren't interested in Iyanden, there'd be no reason to buy this book, even if it came with several hundred pages of rules, no?
Unless you play competitively and want to know what your opponents could have in your army, but don't want to pirate it. It's not a trivial problem when the cost of keeping up with the competition has just doubled (or more, if armies get more than one supplement).
Not to mention that, for games in general, rules should always be less, not more, if humanly possible. A game (gaming supplement) with 20 pages of rules is usually superior to a game (gaming supplement) with 50 pages of rules.
I agree in most cases. The problem is that the price tag of the book is for a codex-size book when many people are just interested in a page or two of rules. If there was an option to buy a rules-only version for $5 people would be a lot happier with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 07:37:57
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:People really need to stop obsessing over the rules. The rules are the least important part of the Iyanden supplement and, as pointed out frequently, not the reason to buy it.
See, you say that but I keep seeing this advertised as 'you should have these rules if you want to play a Iyanden themed army'.
And as for the battle missions and stuff in there and the 'Crusade of Fire-style book' comment.. didn't Crusade of Fire suck and does anyone actually play those missions ever?
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 09:23:50
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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jonolikespie wrote:
And as for the battle missions and stuff in there and the 'Crusade of Fire-style book' comment.. didn't Crusade of Fire suck and does anyone actually play those missions ever?
Sure.
No-one cares about Crusade of Fire, because it's an event nobody heard about ever, made up solely for that book. Which is why Iyanden is so much better. It does the same format, but with a string of events/ 40K history you actually care about (i.e. those related to the Craftworld Iyanden).
Also, the fact that you need about 1000 quid worth of Zone Mortalis stuff to play Crusade of Fire "as intended", but only those 2 pages of extra-rules in the Iyanden book
Peregrine wrote:
Unless you play competitively and want to know what your opponents could have in your army, but don't want to pirate it.
If you play competitively, wouldn't it be more challenging to not know what your opponents could bring, relying on your finely honed competitive skills instead? Seems like a truly competitively minded person wouldn't want to delude their skills like that.
That said, even if you think you need all the rules (and not in photocopy from a friend), just make sure you'll never go to a tournament that allows Forge World books. Saves you about a thousand bucks right there, more than enough to buy an Iyanden Supplement or 10 for to stay "on top".
Peregrine wrote:
I agree in most cases. The problem is that the price tag of the book is for a codex-size book when many people are just interested in a page or two of rules. If there was an option to buy a rules-only version for $5 people would be a lot happier with it.
But why would any sane person just be interested in the rules for the sake of the rules, without the background that provides the reason to have these rules in the first place?
jonolikespie wrote:
See, you say that but I keep seeing this advertised as 'you should have these rules if you want to play a Iyanden themed army'.
You don't. McDonalds advertises their food as healthy and Marlborough advertises their tar-sticks as giving you manly character. It's advertisement.
Yriel, Spiritseers, etc.. are all in the main Eldar Codex. No yellow paint is included with the Iyanden book.
That said, if you want to play an Iyanden themed army.... I would advise you to buy the Iyanden supplement for the Iyanden-themed background!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 09:38:42
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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jonolikespie wrote:And as for the battle missions and stuff in there and the 'Crusade of Fire-style book' comment.. didn't Crusade of Fire suck and does anyone actually play those missions ever?
Yes, it did. And no, they don't. When Crusade of Fire came out the first thing most people asked was "Does it have rules in it?", and when we learned it was just more pointless fluff and unbalanced scenarios to re-enact battles from said pointless fluff, it was ignored. GW promptly sold all 30 copies they produced (slight exaggeration) to the few people who do like that kinda thing, and then reprinted the flyer crap from the book later on for Death from the Skies.
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 09:43:15
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:If you play competitively, wouldn't it be more challenging to not know what your opponents could bring, relying on your finely honed competitive skills instead? Seems like a truly competitively minded person wouldn't want to delude their skills like that.
You know what would also make the game more challenging? Letting your opponent play a 2000 point army against your 200 point army. Real competition is about having a level playing field with victory decided through better play, not surprising your opponent with rules they didn't know about. So if you want to compete and don't want to steal the book the cost of playing competitively with Eldar in the game just doubled compared to other armies, with no end in sight.
But why would any sane person just be interested in the rules for the sake of the rules, without the background that provides the reason to have these rules in the first place?
I already told you why: because other people might use them, and some of us like to be familiar with what our opponents could bring, not just our own armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 09:44:55
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Zweischneid wrote:But why would any sane person just be interested in the rules for the sake of the rules, without the background that provides the reason to have these rules in the first place?
Why would any sane person be interested in the fluff when it's painfully obvious, from GW's many retcons, that they don't even give a gak about the fluff themselves and use it more as a marketing vehicle to sell you new, expensive kits?
Case in point, the Tau riptide. A big, stupid-looking model that doesn't fit Tau battle doctrine at all, so they had to write a little blurb in the new codex with Puretide himself advocating its use. So Tau go from using superior planning and tactics to overcome any foe, to adopting the Imperium's "bigger is better" attitude. How can anyone take this crap seriously anymore?
And as for Iyanden, the rules in the book actually do give you lots of benefits and no drawbacks for anyone wanting to play a wraith-heavy Eldar army, even ones that aren't painted yellow. Technically you can run wraith-heavy with the codex, but when using Iyanden gives you nothing but extra perks for doing so then why would you?
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 09:50:07
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Peregrine wrote:
You know what would also make the game more challenging? Letting your opponent play a 2000 point army against your 200 point army. Real competition is about having a level playing field with victory decided through better play, not surprising your opponent with rules they didn't know about. So if you want to compete and don't want to steal the book the cost of playing competitively with Eldar in the game just doubled compared to other armies, with no end in sight.
Not my definition of competition, and if it were, there's no "level playing field" in 40K to start with (unless you play a tournament with only a single identical list for everyone). Even if all 40K books were balanced, or striving to be balanced, the rock-paper-scissor nature of a lot of things in 40K makes "competitive 40K" about as sensible as .. well ... "competitive rock-paper-scissor".
That aside, as said, it seems unfair to deprive players around the world who actually/occasionally would want to play missions / games for the joy of the 40K background / historic missions of the option having a page or two of optional rules that give the missions a bit more flavour, only so a few tournament-players suffering from some deluded completionist-obsession can save themselves a few bucks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 09:57:13
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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Zweischneid wrote:That aside, as said, it seems unfair to deprive players around the world who actually/occasionally would want to play missions / games for the joy of the 40K background / historic missions of the option having a page or two of optional rules that give the missions a bit more flavour, only so a few tournament-players suffering from some deluded completionist-obsession can save themselves a few bucks.
I don't think they should be deprived of that, but I can't help but think there's a way to give everyone what they want without making the gamers pay $50 for a book that they'll only get to use two pages of. I'd spend $5-10 on a "rules-only" downloadable .pdf from their website if they'd sell me one, and since they've been releasing all those little cheap rules downloads I imagine they could do that for people with a digital reader easily enough.
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:00:04
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:Not my definition of competition, and if it were, there's no "level playing field" in 40K to start with (unless you play a tournament with only a single identical list for everyone). Even if all 40K books were balanced, or striving to be balanced, the rock-paper-scissor nature of a lot of things in 40K makes "competitive 40K" about as sensible as .. well ... "competitive rock-paper-scissor".
So the solution is to make things even more unbalanced by having surprise rules that you've never seen?
That aside, as said, it seems unfair to deprive players around the world who actually/occasionally would want to play missions / games for the joy of the 40K background / historic missions of the option having a page or two of optional rules that give the missions a bit more flavour, only so a few tournament-players suffering from some deluded completionist-obsession can save themselves a few bucks.
Fortunately there's a solution to this problem: put the rules in the damn codex. We're only having this discussion because GW removed those two pages of rules from the codex so they could sell a second $50 book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:01:34
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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West Midlands (UK)
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Sidstyler wrote:
I don't think they should be deprived of that, but I can't help but think there's a way to give everyone what they want without making the gamers pay $50 for a book that they'll only get to use two pages of. I'd spend $5-10 on a "rules-only" downloadable .pdf from their website if they'd sell me one, and since they've been releasing all those little cheap rules downloads I imagine they could do that for people with a digital reader easily enough.
True. And since so many people seem to want to include Forge World in tourneys these days, I hope they include all Forge World rules in that pdf too. Compared to the Forge World cost of being "tourney-prepped" in your sense, a US$ 50,- Iyanden book is pretty much negligible.
Until then, tourney organizers could of course simply disallow Codex Supplements (and, ideally, Forge World) from tournaments that target the more competitive people in the Hobby. Automatically Appended Next Post: Peregrine wrote:
Fortunately there's a solution to this problem: put the rules in the damn codex. We're only having this discussion because GW removed those two pages of rules from the codex so they could sell a second $50 book.
No. GW put the rules in the Iyanden Book, because the missions that need you to have these rules are ... surprise ... in the Iyanden book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:10:55
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Sidstyler wrote:I don't think they should be deprived of that, but I can't help but think there's a way to give everyone what they want without making the gamers pay $50 for a book that they'll only get to use two pages of. Not all that long ago they released that did just that. It's this one. Has the army list, then takes a few pages at the end to give faction specific rules/changes to the main army list. No need for a new book. No need to buy a second book just to play your army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:14:15
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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Zweischneid wrote:
No. GW put the rules in the Iyanden Book, because the missions that need you to have these rules are ... surprise ... in the Iyanden book.
So then they could put the missions in the codex too. Problem solved.
Better yet, they could fold it all into one codex. For $60, I should sure as hell be getting more than 100 pages.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:17:02
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fafnir wrote: Zweischneid wrote:
No. GW put the rules in the Iyanden Book, because the missions that need you to have these rules are ... surprise ... in the Iyanden book.
So then they could put the missions in the codex too. Problem solved.
Better yet, they could fold it all into one codex. For $60, I should sure as hell be getting more than 100 pages.
True. I would love to see missions and things in the Codex, making them more "story-oriented" and less "text-book-oriented".
If Iyanden (Farsight, etc...) are a success, maybe that'll be the direction it will go one day. One can hope.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:31:15
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:Compared to the Forge World cost of being "tourney-prepped" in your sense, a US$ 50,- Iyanden book is pretty much negligible.
The difference here is that FW books give a much better ratio of cost to rules quantity. For example, I recently paid ~$100 for the new edition of IA3, which includes all of the FW Tau units and a complete Elysian drop troops army list. The Iyanden supplement costs half as much, but has a lot less than half the content.
No. GW put the rules in the Iyanden Book, because the missions that need you to have these rules are ... surprise ... in the Iyanden book.
So the rules are only legal if you're playing the special supplement missions, and you can't use them with your Eldar army in generic missions?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 10:39:34
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:
If Iyanden (Farsight, etc...) are a success, maybe that'll be the direction it will go one day. One can hope.
Why the hell would the ever consider doing that? When the fanbase is so ridiculously stupid, enough to shell out $60 twice over, why the hell would you ever consider consolidating what should be one book into one book?
And I don't like using the word 'stupid' to describe people in a sensible discussion, but I honestly cannot find a sensible reason to actually go out spend money to actually buy into that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 11:14:12
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fafnir wrote: Zweischneid wrote:
If Iyanden (Farsight, etc...) are a success, maybe that'll be the direction it will go one day. One can hope.
Why the hell would the ever consider doing that? When the fanbase is so ridiculously stupid, enough to shell out $60 twice over, why the hell would you ever consider consolidating what should be one book into one book?
And I don't like using the word 'stupid' to describe people in a sensible discussion, but I honestly cannot find a sensible reason to actually go out spend money to actually buy into that.
Not nearly as "stupid" as people thinking they need to buy every god-damn publication from GW, even for armies they don't play, just so they are "prepared". Automatically Appended Next Post: Peregrine wrote:
So the rules are only legal if you're playing the special supplement missions, and you can't use them with your Eldar army in generic missions?
What is legal?
I don't think the GW police is gonna storm your house if you use the rules somewhere else. But why would anyone want to? Without the context of the Iyanden Background, which is in turn brought to life in the missions, they are just random numbers and stats. What's the point? I can write you 10 pages of random rule-swap-gak and "this-item-lets-one- HQ-do-X" for a dollar if that's what you're looking for.
They mean nothing without the context.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 11:26:07
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Zweischneid wrote:But why would anyone want to? Without the context of the Iyanden Background, which is in turn brought to life in the missions, they are just random numbers and stats. What's the point? I can write you 10 pages of random rule-swap-gak and "this-item-lets-one- HQ-do-X" for a dollar if that's what you're looking for.
Sigh. Again you ignore the point I've made several times, that for many of us it's about what other people are using. If the Iyanden supplement rules are legal for use in general games outside of the special Iyanden missions then my Eldar opponent might have them in their army, and I want to know what those rules are. I don't really care about the fluff, I just don't want to be surprised by rules I've never seen before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 11:55:13
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Peregrine wrote:
Sigh. Again you ignore the point I've made several times, that for many of us it's about what other people are using. If the Iyanden supplement rules are legal for use in general games outside of the special Iyanden missions then my Eldar opponent might have them in their army, and I want to know what those rules are. I don't really care about the fluff, I just don't want to be surprised by rules I've never seen before.
And I've said repeatedly, that this is not a viable standard to measure a hobby game against. If you impose this completionist-standard upon yourself that you need to absolutely have every last shred of rules GW publishes for 40K, than that is your decision. Your choice. Your cross to bear.
99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of 40K player don't need everything. They need the rulebook, the Codex for the army they are playing and, if they fancy, optional rules, supplements and/or expansions that expand their game.
Likewise, I've never seen a tournament that requires people to have ALL the rules. They usually ask you to have the rules for your army only (and if everyone does that, you will always have the option of looking up your opponent's rules in the rules he/she brought along).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 12:04:59
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Peregrine wrote: Zweischneid wrote:But why would anyone want to? Without the context of the Iyanden Background, which is in turn brought to life in the missions, they are just random numbers and stats. What's the point? I can write you 10 pages of random rule-swap-gak and "this-item-lets-one- HQ-do-X" for a dollar if that's what you're looking for.
Sigh. Again you ignore the point I've made several times, that for many of us it's about what other people are using. If the Iyanden supplement rules are legal for use in general games outside of the special Iyanden missions then my Eldar opponent might have them in their army, and I want to know what those rules are. I don't really care about the fluff, I just don't want to be surprised by rules I've never seen before.
So why not have the opponent let you look at his copy of the rules? It's just two pages as you say and not at all hard to digest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 13:57:26
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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has this "codex" been released yet? Has anyone actually seen the rules in it? Or is it all just guessing and raging?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 14:48:50
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Peregrine wrote:[
Unless you play competitively and want to know what your opponents could have in your army, but don't want to pirate it. It's not a trivial problem when the cost of keeping up with the competition has just doubled (or more, if armies get more than one supplement).
You could always go to your local store and check out the book.... if is only 2 pages of rules after all. Wouldn't take more than 5 minutes to skim it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 14:51:52
Subject: Re:"Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Ichor-Dripping Talos Monstrosity
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gossipmeng wrote: Peregrine wrote:[
Unless you play competitively and want to know what your opponents could have in your army, but don't want to pirate it. It's not a trivial problem when the cost of keeping up with the competition has just doubled (or more, if armies get more than one supplement).
You could always go to your local store and check out the book.... if is only 2 pages of rules after all. Wouldn't take more than 5 minutes to skim it.
Unfortunately, on this count you can't.
Supplements are direct only. :(
To be honest, it's got 2/3 the content of a regular codex, so really, by rights, it should be 2/3 the cost - and honestly, I'd be OK at £20.
Having looked at Iyanden, it's got a ton of great info and artwork. £30 is just a bit much at the end of the day...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 14:53:46
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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Is this book digital only or will there be a dead tree version?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 14:54:14
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar
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Except in this case by 'Day 1' you mean 'Day 60' (or so).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/03 14:55:32
Subject: "Farsight - a codex Tau Empire supplement" released as digital product
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Ichor-Dripping Talos Monstrosity
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The assumption is, it'll be digital, then a few weeks later we'll get it in Direct Only Hardback, same as with Iyanden.
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