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That kid in the hat looks like he's wearing a fat suit.

And besides, what do those pictures have to do with the topic?

 Ahtman wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
[I would like to believe that people who are willing to fight for their country should have more weight than people who just sit around on their ass all day....

That is a bit of a false dichotomy isn't it?

Have you made a sacrifice for your country?

Have you written letters to congressmen stating your opinions on issues? Or just posted about it on forums all day?

When did YOU actually do something other than just vote for president/rep/senator?

 Slarg232 wrote:

What does this have to do with anything? Are you implying anyone not a soldier is fat? I'm 150lbs at 6'3", and I'm the last person you'd ever see in the military.

Slarg's just making a stupid argument badly. Ignore it.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:

What does this have to do with anything? Are you implying anyone not a soldier is fat? I'm 150lbs at 6'3", and I'm the last person you'd ever see in the military.

No, but I am saying that Americans are amongst the top ten countries in the world (Oddly, quite a few middle east countries have us beat....) making us fat, and also one of the least politically active citizenry in the free world, making us lazy.

 CptJake wrote:
Your first sentence is the problem. Who told 'the government' it must do something to protect the average citizen? Police cannot protect you, they can only really respond to an incident during (at best) or after (more realistic) it has occurred, not prevent the incident. To think they (the government) can protect you and to relinquish your responsibility to protect yourself, your family, and your property is a huge mistake. Requiring every one to have a firearm is silly. People should be free to decide for themselves if they want to have a firearm to protect themselves, or not to.

The outcry from the people EVERY time there is a massacre by an armed "psycho" is what tells the government to do something.
Direct prevention to them is to remove the availability of the weapons, psychos are harder to get rid of (or identify) but they had the great idea of involving psychiatrists!

Who says the average citizen has the responsibility to protect themselves? How far is this protection to be? Mace, tazer, baseball bat, sword, gun, rifle, bazooka... It always sucks to bring a knife to a gun fight.

PREVENTION is the thing, not sure if criminals would think twice if they know any place they go has a high probability of greeting him with an armed response. To dismiss it as "silly" is to ignore the primary reason Texas is so warm to carrying weapons. Say if any people were armed in those movie theaters when a crazy stated shooting, there would be a whole lot less dead people.

Keep the potential victims armed to defend themselves but run the risk of arming crazy people OR allow no guns for anyone so availability is that much harder OR allow weapons but monitor their use, location and suitability of the person using them. Got other options??

It is easy to criticize but really try to think of what is a good middle ground. We are dealing with politics so it is in their best interest to keep it vague so they can call special circumstances when the political heat is too much.

It all boils down to: You can have "freedom" or you can have "security", you cannot have both.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Slarg's just making a stupid argument badly. Ignore it.

Why can you always find the British people in American Political threads?

Re-read my previous post in response to your post.

Also, this isn't an American only forum, grow up.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Re-read my previous post in response to your post.

Also, this isn't an American only forum, grow up.

Never said it was, but obviously people from outside of the country have both a stake and a claim as to what is happening overseas.

I realize how hypocritical that could be taken, but to be fair I don't believe we should be overseas ourselves.

I apologise for the testiness of my reaction, but if you look at OT any time a "foreign" issue comes up there's almost always American posters in it.

I think that it's a stupid, Frazzled-esque "counter", and I didn't expect it.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
I apologise for the testiness of my reaction, but if you look at OT any time a "foreign" issue comes up there's almost always American posters in it.

I think that it's a stupid, Frazzled-esque "counter", and I didn't expect it.

I agree, I don't think Americans should be telling the British how to run their country, and I don't think British people should be telling Americans how to run their country. I try to actively avoid the other country threads


It's K Dwhitey, I still loves you

 Slarg232 wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Re-read my previous post in response to your post.

Also, this isn't an American only forum, grow up.

Never said it was, but obviously people from outside of the country have both a stake and a claim as to what is happening overseas.

I realize how hypocritical that could be taken, but to be fair I don't believe we should be overseas ourselves.

America is among the foremost countries of the world. It's media and culture is broadcast across the globe and it's political decisions have an impact on more than just the US.
Why do you think so many people we against PIPA and SOPA? It wasn't just the US. People in different countries were worried that other governments would use it as an excuse or a framework for similar laws in their country which is why so many people rallied round to object to it.

 Slarg232 wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Slarg's just making a stupid argument badly. Ignore it.

Why can you always find the British people in American Political threads?

Because Americans post in foreign topics too?

Also, if that was meant to be a Frazzled style post, it needs more Weiner dogs.

 CptJake wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
I can understand a pistol. That makes sense, I wouldn't be opposed to having one myself. When it comes to things like semi-automatic rifles and the like... well it seems a bit over the top really.

An AR-15 is a LOT easier to hit a target with than a handgun, especially under stressful conditions, and the larger standard magazine size gives you more chances. For just a second, assume my previous sentence is true, why would you not want the easiest tool to use when your life may depend on your use of it?

In another line of thinking, if you were told to chop down an old Oak tree, and were presented two tools, but could only choose one, an axe or a chainsaw... which would you take the tree down with?

Considering I have no idea how a chainsaw works I'd probably go with the axe but I do get your point.
The difference is however, in one case you have a tree that gets chopped down faster in the other case you have a dead person.

 purplefood wrote:
Considering I have no idea how a chainsaw works I'd probably go with the axe but I do get your point.
The difference is however, in one case you have a tree that gets chopped down faster in the other case you have a dead person.

Better the other guy dead than my wife, daughter or self hurt or worse.

 Slarg232 wrote:
I don't think British people should be telling Americans how to run their country.

If you want we can let you back into the embrace of the Empire. You can be known as Americashire and we will exchange your guns for tea and bullets for sugar cubes.

Huzzah!

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
I don't think British people should be telling Americans how to run their country.

If you want we can let you back into the embrace of the Empire. You can be known as Americashire and we will exchange your guns for tea and bullets for sugar cubes.

Huzzah!

At that ratio everyone will be toothless in a week.

Or enter the arms length embrace as a Commonwealth country!

Australia was for criminals and Canada for conquered France citizens, loyalists, freed slaves, draft dodgers and refugees.

It will all be so much less complicated when you drink the cool-aid.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
At that ratio everyone will be toothless in a week.

Then it is a good job we will nationalise healthcare

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
I don't think British people should be telling Americans how to run their country.

If you want we can let you back into the embrace of the Empire. You can be known as Americashire and we will exchange your guns for tea and bullets for sugar cubes.

Huzzah!

At that ratio everyone will be toothless in a week.

or as fat as the individuals in slargs pictures.

Everytime people talk about guns it seems to be home owners vs criminals being talked about and how home owners need bigger guns. I've a crazy thought for you, criminals can be home owners. Who would have thought? I always thought criminals waited in the periphery of my vision waiting to do bad things to me.

Bullockist wrote:
Everytime people talk about guns it seems to be home owners vs criminals being talked about and how home owners need bigger guns. I've a crazy thought for you, criminals can be home owners. Who would have thought? I always thought criminals waited in the periphery of my vision waiting to do bad things to me.

Criminals are only homeowners because they stole the houses from people without guns

Bullockist wrote:

Everytime people talk about guns it seems to be home owners vs criminals being talked about and how home owners need bigger guns. I've a crazy thought for you, criminals can be home owners. Who would have thought? I always thought criminals waited in the periphery of my vision waiting to do bad things to me.

And when I break into their home or attempt to mug them one night, they can claim self defense when they shoot me.

What point were you trying to make?

If people want to prevent that being military makes you more important than non-veterans, then maybe they should go to Egypt...

 Fafnir wrote:
Because there's a strict dichotomy that if you aren't enlisted in the military, you're useless and sit on your ass all day.

I was thinking of something to say, but you hit the nail on the head.


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 Slarg232 wrote:

That picture takes place in some midlle eastern company.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

That picture takes place in some midlle eastern company.

But I sure as gak see quite a bit of that in the US as well.

And i see plenty of people skinnier then a pencil.

Chub Scout in the hat cracks me up....looked like he scarfed his extra large fries and now working on his brother fries.....

I rather take down a intruder in my household with a 5.56mm. Less blood compare to a shotgun where I can remove a limb....then I have a bleeder on my carpet....then I have to replace my carpet...part of the dry wall....better yet..if he's arm with a knife.....I can spear him in the chest with my barrel...let him eat my buttstock for a bit.....really over do it on the rifle bayonet training minus the bayonet....I'm feeling the difference in this thread on the older indivduals vs the young individuals.

Of course we (those of experience in fire arms) will be the first to say "go with what you know" meaning military KISS. So if you ask me for advice for you first decision to buy a fire arm I be the first to ask...rifle or pistol....why not a shotgun? Its an overkill. Why an overkill....well the amount of blood that's going to go all over the place and a bleeder..depends how much you want to clean up the blood....its up to them...those with small hands stop looking at 45's...maybe go with a 40...I digress

Jihadin makes a great point. From experience, there is a LOT of blood in a human body, and the cops and paramedics don't clean up for you.