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Ok so my understanding of ignore cover is that if a enemy unit was lit up by marker lights and I use some ml to remove the cover that any of my units basically can now shoot at the enemy unit as if its in open ground. But in a game I was playing the other guy said no to this I dissagreed but i want your guys opinions. K now imagine a triangle. Top point is A (tau tetras) with full line of sight to bottom left corner of triangle B (vindicator) to the bottom right point of the triangle C (tau hammerhead with Longstrike) and between B and C was the gw redemption fortress terrain piece. Now from C I can't see any part of B but because A had lit up B with marker lights and used them to remove cover now C has a clear line of sight? Is this correct or false?

Your HH still needs line of sight to the vindicator. What Tau Marker Lights do is remove the cover save that the enemy unit would benefit from. But, it doesn't negate cover for the purpose of line of sight.

Also only the unit expending the MLs gains ignore cover. Ignore cover has no bearing on line of sight it just ignores cover saves...

 ruthlessgamer wrote:
Now from C I can't see any part of B but because A had lit up B with marker lights and used them to remove cover now C has a clear line of sight? Is this correct or false?

Markerlighs give the firing unit the Ignores Cover SR iirc. Read that rule.

Gotcha, so I'd need to just see something of he vindicator. And the other question is I had commander ralai facing away from a crisis team that had thrusted away from an enemy and was back to back with the commander then lthe enemy tried to assault the crisis team the commander was with in six inches for supporting fire but was facing away does he need to be facing towards the enemy unit to assist in an overwatch or not?

Removing cover doesn't give LOS, you have to have LOS to begin with unless your weapon doesn't require it.

Markerlights give the shooting unit the ignores cover USR. This means a tau player could markerlight one squad of nid warriors, and then place his large blast over the same squad so it his 3 other nearby nid warriors and ignore cover on the whole thing.

Non Vehicle models fire 360.

Does Ralai have supporting fire rule ?

In the new IA3 2nd ed book he does.

 juraigamer wrote:
Removing cover doesn't give LOS, you have to have LOS to begin with unless your weapon doesn't require it.

Markerlights give the shooting unit the ignores cover USR. This means a tau player could markerlight one squad of nid warriors, and then place his large blast over the same squad so it his 3 other nearby nid warriors and ignore cover on the whole thing.

I'm not sure on this one, if you read the markerlight rules it specifically says their weapons gain the ignores cover special rule when firing at the target


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 HoverBoy wrote:
In the new IA3 2nd ed book he does.

Overwatch is like a standard shooting attack expect made at ballistic skill 1, all infantry models are free to pivot when they shoot

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:

 juraigamer wrote:
Removing cover doesn't give LOS, you have to have LOS to begin with unless your weapon doesn't require it.

Markerlights give the shooting unit the ignores cover USR. This means a tau player could markerlight one squad of nid warriors, and then place his large blast over the same squad so it his 3 other nearby nid warriors and ignore cover on the whole thing.

I'm not sure on this one, if you read the markerlight rules it specifically says their weapons gain the ignores cover special rule when firing at the target

... Which is what he said?

He said basically,
Target one squad, then use ignores cover. He is using a blast weapon and it hits the squad as well as another 3 nearby models. The entire attack gain ignore cover so those 3 nearby model do not get cover which is wrong.

I just stated only the original target would suffer from ignores cover.

So wait, only the unit that is firing ML can ignore cover no other friendly unit can ignore the cover of the target enemy unit?

I think you misread it.
He marker lights a Nid warrior squad.
Place a blast so it hits (he typed his) 3 warriors.

And regardless, the weapon gains ignores cover when firing at the marker lighted unit - meaning the entire attack (including scattering to a completely different unit) gains Ignores Cover.

 ruthlessgamer wrote:
So wait, only the unit that is firing ML can ignore cover no other friendly unit can ignore the cover of the target enemy unit?

Unless its a networked markerlight, the unit firing it can't benefit from it. However, If you have 2 markerlight tokens next to an enemy unit, any one single friendly unit of yours can choose to remove two counters and then their shots will ignore the cover save of the target.

Only 1 unit gains that benefit. If you want to shoot with another unit and ignore cover again, you need 2 more markerlight tokens.

Gotcha.

 juraigamer wrote:

Markerlights give the shooting unit the ignores cover USR. This means a tau player could markerlight one squad of nid warriors, and then place his large blast over the same squad so it his 3 other nearby nid warriors and ignore cover on the whole thing.

I believe Jurai was talking about two different squads. The question is: "Do all wounds from the Tau unit gain Ignores Cover, or only the wounds caused against the targeted unit?"

Yes, firing so the shot hits two different squads. Squad A is hit with lights, then proceeds to get shot by another unit with a large blast, that uses the lights to gain the ignores cover USR, then proceeding to hit that squad and another squad at the same time with blast placement.

Because all weapons fired at the target unit gain the ignores cover USR, this means because the blast was fired at them initially, it ignores cover. It could scatter completely off the target unit and hit something else, it still ignores cover.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 juraigamer wrote:

Markerlights give the shooting unit the ignores cover USR. This means a tau player could markerlight one squad of nid warriors, and then place his large blast over the same squad so it his 3 other nearby nid warriors and ignore cover on the whole thing.

I believe Jurai was talking about two different squads. The question is: "Do all wounds from the Tau unit gain Ignores Cover, or only the wounds caused against the targeted unit?"

Since the firing unit gains the rule, all wounds that units cause that were targeted at the lit up unit would ignore cover.
So if the blast scatters, or if it hits multiple units by design, they ignore cover.

The rule says
"All weapons fired at the target unit as part of this shooting attack, gains the ignores cover special rule"

Now the way I understand that is all your weapons get the ignores cover only when shooting at the target unit.

So if I target squad A and use 2 lights to ignores cover and then place my blast marker so that is is cover 4 guys and is also hitting squad B standing next to it, landing on 2 of their guys and I get a direct hit. The guys in squad A get no cover but the guys on squad B do because they are not part of the original target unit.

The same applies for scatter. If the shot scatters and miss squad A completely but land in the centre of squad B they all get cover because I targeted squad A.


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The same would apply for raising your BS against target A with the 2 lights and then using a target lock against another unit and claiming to be BS when shooting them. Can't do it.

Does make me kinda sad though.

Your understanding is incorrect.
Are you firing at the target unit? Yes. Then the weapon has Ignores Cover. Meaning you'd ignore cover on squad A and B.

You can only target one squad.

And?
Does the weapon have Ignores Cover?

You target the squad you removed the tokens from. Your weapon now has Ignore Cover. If it scatters onto something else, you still targeted the squad you removed the tokens from.

It's just like with shooting blast weapons and charging.

If I target squad A with a Venom Cannon and it scatters onto squad B instead, the unit I'm allowed to charge later on is still squad A, the one I targeted.

What about using a target lock?

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
What about using a target lock?

Are you asking if you use a target lock to shoot at a different target than the one that was lit up with markerlights? If so, then no, using a target lock to target a different unit will not grant his shots Ignore Cover as he is not shooting at the original target unit. Now, if you choose to use a TL to target another unit that is also lit up by MLs, then you could ignore cover, provided you used the MLs prior to shooting.

That's what I am saying, if the blast marker hits models that are not from the original unit, then they should receive cover scatter or no scatter

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
That's what I am saying, if the blast marker hits models that are not from the original unit, then they should receive cover scatter or no scatter

And you're simply wrong - it's a simple question.

Does the weapon have ignore cover? Remember, it is firing at the unit you took the markerlight tokens from.