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2013/07/11 00:51:45
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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Wondering if anyone would have a problem if I used the Chaos Decimator model (with twin butcher cannons) from forgeworld, but counted it as a forgefiend, using the forgefiend's ruleset. I didn't want an issue of "modelling for advantage" to come up during a game.
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/11 00:59:04
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Not as Good as a Minion
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How close is it in size? That's one of the main issues that can come up with proxies. Base size as well.
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
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2013/07/11 01:03:28
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Put it on an oval base and yer good! 
I did the same thing, but used the actual cannons from the Fiend. Looks Badass!
lemme see if I got a PIC...
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
-Nobody Ever
Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
 warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up. 
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
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2013/07/11 01:06:48
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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 motyak wrote:How close is it in size? That's one of the main issues that can come up with proxies. Base size as well.
Well the Decimator is roughly 4" tall and looks like it comes on a "dread" sized base. I can't tell from the GW pics how tall the forgefiend is, but it looks like it comes on a "flyer" sized base. If anyone has these models, feel free to chime in with the correct info. Thanks. Automatically Appended Next Post:  SlaveToDorkness wrote:Put it on an oval base and yer good!
I did the same thing, but used the actual cannons from the Fiend. Looks Badass!
lemme see if I got a PIC...
I gotta see this, pleeeeeease post a pic. 
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/07/11 01:07:28
It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/11 01:45:37
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Ask....
...and ye shall RECEIVE!
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
-Nobody Ever
Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! |
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2013/07/11 01:48:51
Subject: Re:forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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WOW, that looks fething awesome!!! Consider that idea stolen my good sir. 
I've always wondered why the Hades cannon has 6 barrels but only fires 4 shots..... 
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/07/11 01:49:58
It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/11 01:51:07
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Thanks!
I have two more to do as well.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/07/11 01:51:19
"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
-Nobody Ever
Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! |
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2013/07/11 01:53:15
Subject: Re:forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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May the gods of Chaos bestow upon you many exalted rewards!
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/11 05:28:08
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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That... Is beautiful SlaveToDorkness!
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2013/07/11 05:48:16
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Beast of Nurgle
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That looks sick. As long as the base size matches up and my opponent is clear at the start of the game what everything is I am happy for them to really use whatever they want.
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2013/07/11 12:15:53
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Sweet conversion, the butcher cannons are rather small ( look like the reaper AC tbh)
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CSM   20,000 Pts  
Daemons 4,000 (ish)
WoC over 10,000
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2013/07/11 15:54:42
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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 sub-zero wrote:Wondering if anyone would have a problem if I used the Chaos Decimator model (with twin butcher cannons) from forgeworld, but counted it as a forgefiend, using the forgefiend's ruleset. I didn't want an issue of "modelling for advantage" to come up during a game.
Base size is a little smaller, and the decimator has a smaller foot print, but I think that is balanced by the fact that the decimator is also somewhat taller than the forgefiend. Though it begs the question of why not just use it as a decimator? Sure in games against those who despise everything FW you could use it as a forgefiend, but why bother in games that you don't have to?
Skriker
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CSM 6k points CSM 4k points
CSM 4.5k points CSM 3.5k points
and Daemons 4k points each
Renegades 4k points
 SM 4k points
 SM 2.5k Points
 3K  2.3k
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2013/07/11 23:29:43
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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 Skriker wrote: sub-zero wrote:Wondering if anyone would have a problem if I used the Chaos Decimator model (with twin butcher cannons) from forgeworld, but counted it as a forgefiend, using the forgefiend's ruleset. I didn't want an issue of "modelling for advantage" to come up during a game.
Base size is a little smaller, and the decimator has a smaller foot print, but I think that is balanced by the fact that the decimator is also somewhat taller than the forgefiend. Though it begs the question of why not just use it as a decimator? Sure in games against those who despise everything FW you could use it as a forgefiend, but why bother in games that you don't have to?
Skriker
Because the Decimator with (2) butcher cannons is 235 points, whereas the forgefiend with (2) hades autocannons is 175 points, they both have a BS3. The only advantage to the Decimator is it's front armor of 13 versus the forgefiend's front armor of 12....just not enough to justify a 60 point increase. 
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/15 16:10:07
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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sub-zero wrote:Because the Decimator with (2) butcher cannons is 235 points, whereas the forgefiend with (2) hades autocannons is 175 points, they both have a BS3. The only advantage to the Decimator is it's front armor of 13 versus the forgefiend's front armor of 12....just not enough to justify a 60 point increase.
That would be the forgeworld overpowered point differential. It is a forge world model so it has to be overpowered, so it costs more. 
Good point, though. Carry on! 
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CSM 6k points CSM 4k points
CSM 4.5k points CSM 3.5k points
and Daemons 4k points each
Renegades 4k points
SM 4k points
SM 2.5k Points
3K 2.3k
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2013/07/15 23:18:59
Subject: Re:forgeworld model substitution
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Leader of the Sept
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sub-zero wrote:WOW, that looks fething awesome!!! Consider that idea stolen my good sir.
I've always wondered why the Hades cannon has 6 barrels but only fires 4 shots.....
Because the shooting rules are an abstraction and designed to indicate how effective a particular troop is during the arbitrary period of the turn, rather than being a detailed description of weapons fire. One dice rolled does not equate to a single shot fired.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
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2013/07/15 23:43:02
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Member of the Ethereal Council
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If someone says no when playing, say
"You are just upset i can afford cooler models then your carboard boxes"
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2013/07/16 00:17:50
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:If someone says no when playing, say
"You are just upset i can afford cooler models then your carboard boxes"
HAHAHA YES!!!!
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/27 16:21:41
Subject: forgeworld model substitution
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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Quick question: Is that a 60mm round base?
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/07/27 16:27:07
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It looks like it's on an oval base.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
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2013/07/27 22:20:39
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In the last pic it does, due to the angle. In the first ones its round.
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2013/07/28 02:57:33
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Oval. Just a weird angle.
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"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
-Nobody Ever
Proverbs 18:2
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.
warboss wrote:
GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.
Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.
EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.
Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! |
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5000pts 
6000pts 
4500