Black Legion supplement to be next 40k supplement

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**Moopy**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
Wait. Wait. Wait.

Black Legion? For real? Ugh.

Let's see...they could have done...

Siege Army Iron Warriors.
Terror Striking Night Lords
Zealot Word Bearers
Infiltration and Sneaky Alpha Legion

All of which have a hell of a time being represented with the current Chaos Codex.

They could also have done something for the Red Corsairs (using some Imperial kit to show their defection was only recent) and added flavour there.

But instead we get...

The Legion the Codex itself is supposed to be able of representing with no form of counts-as or stretches of imagination...

Actually the funny thing is you CAN'T run how it is supposed to be, seeing as you should be able to take all cult troops without needing a lord (Seeing as they have all the cults and is undivided). You cannot do that, and so they actually do have a weird thing that allows them.

And you want to pay $50 for that?

**gigasnail**

i just want my drop pods/dreadclaws, ffs.

**morgendonner**

gigasnail wrote:
i just want my drop pods/dreadclaws, ffs.

Wow, now that you mention it if they added in drop pods that would make an all Chosen army potentially pretty interesting. I'm skeptical they'll add any new units, but I would love for CSM to finally have access to drop pods.

**MarsNZ**

I'm really facepalming at "codex CSM is codex BL"

One character from BL, no BL cult troops in undivided armies. BL isn't 'vanilla' CSM.

**jspyd3rx**

They're might have been a misinterpretation here. They might have seen Black Templar coming and not Black Legion. Even Harry made a similar mistake once. He mentioned inner circle knights and assumed it was Black Templars. We all now know those knights were actually Deathwing Knights or models with the inner circle rule.

**ZebioLizard2**

Moopy wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
Wait. Wait. Wait.

Black Legion? For real? Ugh.

Let's see...they could have done...

Siege Army Iron Warriors.
Terror Striking Night Lords
Zealot Word Bearers
Infiltration and Sneaky Alpha Legion

All of which have a hell of a time being represented with the current Chaos Codex.

They could also have done something for the Red Corsairs (using some Imperial kit to show their defection was only recent) and added flavour there.

But instead we get...

The Legion the Codex itself is supposed to be able of representing with no form of counts-as or stretches of imagination...

Actually the funny thing is you CAN'T run how it is supposed to be, seeing as you should be able to take all cult troops without needing a lord (Seeing as they have all the cults and is undivided). You cannot do that, and so they actually do have a weird thing that allows them.

And you want to pay $50 for that?

It's probably going to be a few other things as well, considering the huge fluff and all.

I'd probably prefer it if all supplements were down to 20-30$ anyways...

**Rayvon**

I hope this rumour is true, It would make sense as they are the biggest legion around in 40k, hopefully we would see more of these for others such as the red corsairs too

**Slayer le boucher**

Please remember that there is nothing official here. These are behind the scenes discussions, and therefore must be considered rumors.

via a solid anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Farsight supplement will be a good example of what supplements will be to follow. It has more rules changes than the Iyanden one and expect the future supplements to provide more and more rules changes as well.

They're being released not just to match their parent dex, but also to gradually introduce the concept of supplements and is being closely monitored.

Currently, they're selling very well. but the vocal minority cries and complains about them, so there's been discussions and considerations about how to go ahead. These nay-sayers seem to have this idea that rules are intentionally left out of the main book, so as to sell a supplement later, which is not the case. They are done by a separate team who takes the intended stand alone codex and make a series of changes that identify an army in a particular (different) fashion. Anyone who has read the Iyanden book, would see how much hobby-oriented information goes into the fluff, etc to flesh out a particular faction so much more than a paragraph or half-page could do in a codex.

Supplements are currently being released "in order" of few rules to most rules changes. Iyanden had hardly any, Farsight Enclave has more, and so on. If a sourcebook has too many rules, then GW can rope it back. Rather than run this living experiment with books that need lots of rules, but offering only few so that it fits the model, GW picked the races that needed very few rules to start with and are working their way up (hence Black Legion and not say, Night Lords).

**Rippy**

MarsNZ wrote:
I'm really facepalming at "codex CSM is codex BL"

One character from BL, no BL cult troops in undivided armies. BL isn't 'vanilla' CSM.

I totally agree with this. I think this is because BL are on the front of model boxes. Plus the whole Horus thing might make non-chaos fans feel this way. I don't know. I am looking forward to maybe starting a new BL army.

**Pwn'd You**

A little look into why supplements are being released the way they are...thanks faeit

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/07/codex-supplements-farsight-enclave-and.html#more

**Slayer le boucher**

Pwn'd You wrote:
A little look into why supplements are being released the way they are...thanks faeit

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/07/codex-supplements-farsight-enclave-and.html#more

Just posted it two post above...

**Pwn'd You**

hah ooops well now more people will hopefully see it

**Zanderchief**

Funnily enough i was looking through the old codex (3rd edition i believe) and although i cannot comment on it being balanced (didn't play much back then), it look amazing!

All those deamonic upgrades (take enough and THEN you become a DP). I forgot how many options you had. Remember the Kai gun for example!

I know a lot of people liked that book because it had pages relating to certain armies. I was more impressed with what it offered besides that to create some pretty cool armies (and conversion ideas since it was more liberal with the upgrade options!)

I know its been said before but if they just did that for the actual (rather lackluster) 6th Ed book i would have been much happier. But what the hell.. I'll take anything that will give my Chaos force a shot in the arm. Just please give us someway of moving troops up the field which isn't going to blow up if you look at it (Rhino) or costs us an arm and a leg (LR), pretty please!

**H.B.M.C.**

Zanderchief wrote:
I know a lot of people liked that book because it had pages relating to certain armies. I was more impressed with what it offered besides that to create some pretty cool armies (and conversion ideas since it was more liberal with the upgrade options!)

Well of course. It allowed you to make a Chaos Army and tailor it to fit pretty much any flavour.

Then came the next one... *shudder*

**TiamatRoar**

Yea, 6th ed C: CSM really mutilated a lot of the options. I suppose that one could argue that 6th Ed C: CSM stopped being C: Black Legion for the simple fact that 6th Ed C: CSM can't be used to represent anything very well now.

As an aside, them choosing Black Legion because Black Legion has very few changes in the first place and they're trying to be conservative with supplements makes sense, I suppose. In that case, the whole "Black Legion would barely have any chances from C: CSM at all!" argument is easily refuted with "That's the point!"

**morgendonner**

HBMC was talking about the book before the current one actually... in comparison the 6th ed book actuall expanded things a little bit which goes to show how bad of a job they've done with the army for multiple editions.

**Quintinus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Zanderchief wrote:
I know a lot of people liked that book because it had pages relating to certain armies. I was more impressed with what it offered besides that to create some pretty cool armies (and conversion ideas since it was more liberal with the upgrade options!)

Well of course. It allowed you to make a Chaos Army and tailor it to fit pretty much any flavour.

Then came the two after it... *shudder*

Minor edit, but important.

**Slayer le boucher**

6th is lets say 30% better then 4th ed codex and 50% better then the 3rd Ed codex( the Jervis one, not the 3.5 Haines dex).

Funny enough if you wanted to give Tank hunter to a whole Zerker army, you could, din't have much use out of it, but the Veteran competences where another layer of fine tuning in this experimental book.

Experiment wich led to the 4thh Ed Sm codex with their Chapter traits, wich imo, was one of the best, without the need for Special Characters to make a specific chapter, you took one Major Trait, one Minor and a Minor or Major disadvantage.

Example you could Take a Major trait that permitted all your Sergeants to be equiped with narthecium( at the time the narthecium din't give FnP to whole squads, only negating ONE wound per phase), a Minor was to permit all the models of the army to exchange their bolters for Bolt pistols and CCW, and a Major disadvantage was that you could'nt take more then 1 LR/Predator or Whirlwind.

their where like 9 Major traits, 12 Minors and 9 Disadvantage (Major and Minor iirc), HQ and Elites could take Veterans Skills( the same ones as the CSM at the time, excepte CSM could take them for the whole army "10.000 years of war Veterans" rule...)

But i go a bit too much on memory lane and off topic.

**AlmightyWalrus**

The trait system was utter rubbish. Not being able to take Terminators is only a drawback if you wanted to take them in the first place, otherwise you're just getting free benefits. The choices need to be meaningful.

**marrowick**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
marrowick wrote:
KaryudoDS wrote:
marrowick wrote:
How exactly do supplements work?

They literally supplement what's in the army codex. The Eldar supplement for instance has new Warlord traits and some FoC alterations. You don't necessarily need the supplement but the supplement does need the codex as it just changes a few options.

Would these supplements be in the FaQ? I mean are the supplements the stuff like how they changed the Noise marine blastmaster restrictions?

No. Think of the supplements as Expansion Packs for the Codex. They're in their own book and change how the "parent" Codex works, but you don't have to have them to play the army.

Are there any supplements out currently? Where do I find them online? How much do they cost?

**DIDM**

does being CIA like involve no supplements?

**insaniak**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The trait system was utter rubbish. Not being able to take Terminators is only a drawback if you wanted to take them in the first place, otherwise you're just getting free benefits. The choices need to be meaningful.

I wouldn't go as far as 'utter rubbish' by any means. The system was good, they just included too many 'disadvantages' that really weren't. The lamest being the 'no allies' disadvantage, in am edition where Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters were the only allies you could take anyway, and most Marine players didn't.

The customisation allowed by the traits system though was awesome.

**Chrysis**

marrowick wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
marrowick wrote:
KaryudoDS wrote:
marrowick wrote:
How exactly do supplements work?

They literally supplement what's in the army codex. The Eldar supplement for instance has new Warlord traits and some FoC alterations. You don't necessarily need the supplement but the supplement does need the codex as it just changes a few options.

Would these supplements be in the FaQ? I mean are the supplements the stuff like how they changed the Noise marine blastmaster restrictions?

No. Think of the supplements as Expansion Packs for the Codex. They're in their own book and change how the "parent" Codex works, but you don't have to have them to play the army.

Are there any supplements out currently? Where do I find them online? How much do they cost?

There is one supplement currently available, soon to be 2. Currently available is Iyanden for Codex:Eldar, either as an iBook or a hardcover from Games Workshop directly. Prices are comparable to full codexes. Farsight Enclaves for Codex:Tau Empire is due to release on the 20th in digital formats, and significantly later in hard cover.

**Redemption**

The Black Legion supplement has been spotted in the digital releases section of the August White Dwarf:

Listed is:
- Definitive Background for the Black Legion
- Detailed Timeline of major historical battles and events
- Additional rules (to lead your forces in a Black Crusade)
- Miniatures Gallery
- Reference for special rules and Wargear

Source: http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2013/07/the-black-legion-is-here-digital.html

**DarkStarSabre**

Wow. The disappointment is still strong.

Showcase gallery fully of miniatures painted up for the 3.5 Codex release along with some stuff that crept in with the horrible, horrible 4th/5th edition codex (you can tell which is which by the fact they have different bases - wtf GW, wtf). Calling it now.

Meh. We'll see what it contains. Unless it gives options for an old Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus based Blackwing/Justaerin force it'll be somewhat...meh.

**MajorWesJanson**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Wow. The disappointment is still strong.

Showcase gallery fully of miniatures painted up for the 3.5 Codex release along with some stuff that crept in with the horrible, horrible 4th/5th edition codex (you can tell which is which by the fact they have different bases - wtf GW, wtf). Calling it now.

Meh. We'll see what it contains. Unless it gives options for an old Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus based Blackwing/Justaerin force it'll be somewhat...meh.

It's the same format as the last two supplements.. What were you expecting?

**Demigod**

I'll be buying that Codex for sure, and a Black Legion force to follow!

**Grot 6**

So, now instead of waiting for a year, you can wait for two until your FOM codex comes out ala Necrons.

Sure wish they would just shore up the game and come out with updates per every couple of months and keep the game going, instead of this change the game every year and expect it to continue.

I see this as just another reason for a price increase.

If anything, GW you are predictable.

**Brother SRM**

Grot 6 wrote:
So, now instead of waiting for a year, you can wait for two until your FOM codex comes out ala Necrons.

Sure wish they would just shore up the game and come out with updates per every couple of months and keep the game going, instead of this change the game every year and expect it to continue.

I see this as just another reason for a price increase.

If anything, GW you are predictable.

What are you even saying here? What does it contribute to anything? What does this have to do with flavor of the month codices coming out, and with what frequency? Your post makes absolutely no sense in any context, and just sounds like echo chamber whining for the sake of echo chamber whining. Please, share any "Finecost" or "Finecrap$t" jokes you have while you're at it, they're not tired yet either!

Also, I'm pretty sure new codices every couple months qualifies as "updates every couple of months" of some sort. The game itself changes every five years, maybe more. In other words, think before you post.

**Moopy**

Slayer le boucher wrote:

Please remember that there is nothing official here. These are behind the scenes discussions, and therefore must be considered rumors.

via a solid anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Farsight supplement will be a good example of what supplements will be to follow. It has more rules changes than the Iyanden one and expect the future supplements to provide more and more rules changes as well.

They're being released not just to match their parent dex, but also to gradually introduce the concept of supplements and is being closely monitored.

Currently, they're selling very well. but the vocal minority cries and complains about them, so there's been discussions and considerations about how to go ahead. These nay-sayers seem to have this idea that rules are intentionally left out of the main book, so as to sell a supplement later, which is not the case. They are done by a separate team who takes the intended stand alone codex and make a series of changes that identify an army in a particular (different) fashion. Anyone who has read the Iyanden book, would see how much hobby-oriented information goes into the fluff, etc to flesh out a particular faction so much more than a paragraph or half-page could do in a codex.

Supplements are currently being released "in order" of few rules to most rules changes. Iyanden had hardly any, Farsight Enclave has more, and so on. If a sourcebook has too many rules, then GW can rope it back. Rather than run this living experiment with books that need lots of rules, but offering only few so that it fits the model, GW picked the races that needed very few rules to start with and are working their way up (hence Black Legion and not say, Night Lords).

If this is true then we can expect to see Codex: Flesh Tearers.