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Thanks, azazel, I'll have to find Robot Wars! I did not know there was a sequel.
I think we define mecha movies differently Grumpy- if it isn't piloted by a human, I don't consider it a mech. And it must be at least 2 stories high to qualify as giant.
I certainly love some Robocop, but giant robots just have a goofy, glorious ridiculousness that even the most serious plots and dialogue cannot overcome. Cyborg movies tend to be gritty, and super serious.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Most of the flaws people point out are entirely valid, if even expected (though we were not irritated by the scientists).
The fact that it is STILL an awesome movie though makes it even better.
Yep, I took a couple of my kids to the show and there was a lot that could be picked apart in it but I just let it ride since the concept and overall execution was badass to the nth degree. It's one of those shows I will in all liklihood buy the DVD of
The rare use of the sword was pretty idiotic though. Reminded me of Voltron. Why not just use the sword all the time?
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Because in pure cinematic terms it was a cool reveal much like Darth Maul's double ended light sabre. No it doesn't really make sense (although perhaps Mako had it installed while Gypsy Danger was being reconstructed hence Raleigh wouldn't have known about it), but in a film like this, who cares.
Gitzbitah wrote:Thanks, azazel, I'll have to find Robot Wars! I did not know there was a sequel.
I think we define mecha movies differently Grumpy- if it isn't piloted by a human, I don't consider it a mech. And it must be at least 2 stories high to qualify as giant.
I certainly love some Robocop, but giant robots just have a goofy, glorious ridiculousness that even the most serious plots and dialogue cannot overcome. Cyborg movies tend to be gritty, and super serious.
It is terrible. Like, This Island Earth level of terrible. This is the only version I can find on YouTube, but I know for a fact it's on Cinemageddon if you have a membership.
Sure, the acting was so hammy it made BRIAN BLESSED look modest, sure the story was extremely simplistic, but I don't care-I came for a B movie with today's technology, and that's what I got. And it was glorious.
No doubt this film will be ripped apart by the stuck-up, snobby, over-paid and often bribed scumbags that call themselves critics, much the same way the Transformers movies were, but they can get stepped on by a Jaeger for all I care. This movie was pure unadulterated awesome, and that's not something we see very often anymore.
I demand moar.
Actually, the critics liked it. Roeper himself said to go see it. His review is first on rottentomatoes.com.
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Interviewer: The possibility of Kaiju/Jaeger hybrids?
Del Toro: I’ll tell you a couple of things. We will have Gipsy 2.0 for sure. We will have Gipsy 2.0 for sure. Second thing is you’re gonna see a merging of Kaiju and Jaeger. And that is quite special.
Interviewer: How is their going to be a hybrid, and who will it fight for?
Del Toro: Just think about it for a second. We sent Gipsy to the other side, right? It exploded, but whatever remains stays there.
Interviewer: Don’t just expect the robots and the monsters to evolve…
Del Toro: We’ve drifted with a Kaiju brain. Well, then start riffing on that and you’ll get to something.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Went and saw it for a second time in Imax 3d, sober this time. JUST AS AWESOME. I controlled myself better, less sky punching whilst yelling fethyea! But same level of enjoyment.
As for the sword thing, the way I read it both times - the plasma cannon is a better weapon - when they use the sword it's after the plasma cannon is disabled and then when they are under water and also, presumably can't use the cannon. And maybe by that point the Kaiju have evolved to resist the cannon, but aren't used to the sword.
Aside from being a clear shoutout to "Deploy the Laser Sword(that can kill the monster in one hit that we should have been using since the beginning)!" anime trope.
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The rare use of the sword was pretty idiotic though. Reminded me of Voltron. Why not just use the sword all the time?
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Kaiju Blue.
Spoiler:
They explain at the start that Kaiju blood is toxic, and creates a phenomena called Kaiju Blue. So the last thing you want is a Kaiju bleeding out in the harbour of a major remaining city from being cut in half by a sword. So they rely on good old fashioned blunt force trauma to pummel a Kaiju into the ground without making them bleed... too much.
Notice they primarily engage them in the water, due to wanting to stop them getting to a city. You have primary engagements taking place in an area where you absolutely do not want them using things like swords. The bladed weapons they have are a last resort.
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But crimson thunder used a blade saw thingy right away
Also, Im not an expert on nuclear weapons, but doesnt a nuke go so hot at the point of impact it vaperizes anything near it, should the Cat 5 kaiju just have been evaporated?
Yep. Several million degrees IIRC. Vaporizes steel. Its a fusion reaction after all.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
But that's not how you write a nuclear explosion for a lowest-common-demoninator moviegoer audience. They will just assume that a nuclear bomb is a really, really big boom -that's also why its effect is always exposited in terms of how many sticks of dynamite it is equivalent to.
hotsauceman1 wrote: But crimson thunder used a blade saw thingy right away
Also, Im not an expert on nuclear weapons, but doesnt a nuke go so hot at the point of impact it vaperizes anything near it, should the Cat 5 kaiju just have been evaporated?
No. Giant Monsters are always subject to a "Nuclear Resistance, Greater" effect.
hotsauceman1 wrote: But crimson thunder used a blade saw thingy right away
Also, Im not an expert on nuclear weapons, but doesnt a nuke go so hot at the point of impact it vaperizes anything near it, should the Cat 5 kaiju just have been evaporated?
No. Giant Monsters are always subject to a "Nuclear Resistance, Greater" effect.
Indeed, a 20 meg fusion bomb doesn't touch them, so lets punch them repeatedly in the face!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
hotsauceman1 wrote: But crimson thunder used a blade saw thingy right away
Also, Im not an expert on nuclear weapons, but doesnt a nuke go so hot at the point of impact it vaperizes anything near it, should the Cat 5 kaiju just have been evaporated?
No. Giant Monsters are always subject to a "Nuclear Resistance, Greater" effect.
Indeed, a 20 meg fusion bomb doesn't touch them, so lets punch them repeatedly in the face!
[spoken by some who really don't understand the destructive powah of nukes]
If it took 3 days for the military to bring down a Kanji... would a single nuke be able to?
hotsauceman1 wrote: But crimson thunder used a blade saw thingy right away
Also, Im not an expert on nuclear weapons, but doesnt a nuke go so hot at the point of impact it vaperizes anything near it, should the Cat 5 kaiju just have been evaporated?
No. Giant Monsters are always subject to a "Nuclear Resistance, Greater" effect.
Indeed, a 20 meg fusion bomb doesn't touch them, so lets punch them repeatedly in the face!
It's their the best way to get past their DR 20,000/Fist or Sword.
hotsauceman1 wrote: But crimson thunder used a blade saw thingy right away
Also, Im not an expert on nuclear weapons, but doesnt a nuke go so hot at the point of impact it vaperizes anything near it, should the Cat 5 kaiju just have been evaporated?
No. Giant Monsters are always subject to a "Nuclear Resistance, Greater" effect.
Indeed, a 20 meg fusion bomb doesn't touch them, so lets punch them repeatedly in the face!
okay there captain realism, how does a /reactor/ explode at all ?
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whembly wrote: [spoken by some who really don't understand the destructive powah of nukes]
If it took 3 days for the military to bring down a Kanji... would a single nuke be able to?
Actually, that was part of what finally stopped the first Kaiju (this auto-correct thing remains hillarious); they hit it conventionally for 6 days (during which time it destroyed 3 cities) and then started dropping tactical nuclear weapons on it. I think it took at least 3, and I'm sure at tremendous further loss of life, and the cost of irradiating a zone that was likely inhabited. Not something you want to be doing regularly.
It's kind of a moot point anyway, trying to view it from reality kills it the instant you try. Nothing that big can live on Earth. The largest thing that has ever lived on our planet is a good 2 orders of magnitude smaller than mid sized Kaiju. Anything bipedal that focused 2-3,000 tons on 4% of its surface area (which I've read is around our average) couldn't go anywhere that wasn't specifically reinforced to bear that load, it'd likely punch through the ground (not to mention when it's wandering through a city, many roads aren't designed to handle 25 tons, let alone 2,500+ brawling with a similarly sized creature.
Look, it's the conceit of the genre and this film in particular. Conventional forces didn't work, someone decided to try giant robots, giant robots worked. If you get stuck on the "but giant robots wouldn't work" part, then I suspect there's no way to enjoy the movie. And that's cool, that's fine, not everyone has to like every movie. But it's the same conceit shared by dozens (hundreds?) of anime series and other cartoons. That instead of doing the sensible thing and simply putting serious firepower on those jets/helicopters/tanks, or just instituting the "Tungsten Rods From God" approach (which would probably punch through anything), they find that punching monsters in the face works well.
My take on these things is that trying to say "but it doesn't work in reality for X, Y and Z reasons" is viewing the issue from the wrong side. Instead I see these things as "clearly this works for A, B and C reasons, which are superior to X, Y, and Z, which were tried (or presumably tried) and didn't work very well, hence why we're here". As long as A, B, and C remain internally consistent, that's great.
Maybe there are forces at work beyond those we currently understand, some aspect of being silicon based lifeforms, or being from another dimension, or an adaptation from travelling through the rift/portal to get here, it really doesn't matter to me. It's nice when a nod is made towards some explanation or another, but that's generally just bad science and pseudoscience gussied up with technobabble. If I wanted to hear about jeffries tubes and inverse tachyon fields being redirected through the deflector array to produce a quantum singularity capable of tearing space and time in twain, I'd watch some Star Trek (and man, do I love me some Star Trek).
Also, spoiler;
Spoiler:
The 20 megaton bomb most certainly does touch them. As I recall, the two Kaiju at point blank range are badly wounded, but yes, one Cat IV and the only Cat V are still moving after the detonation.
Some see that as "ugh, so unrealistic". Instead, I grinned ear to ear as Gipsy Danger went to work on them.
Spoiler:
A badly, badly injured Gipsy Danger.
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Forar wrote:Look, it's the conceit of the genre and this film in particular. Conventional forces didn't work, someone decided to try giant robots, giant robots worked. If you get stuck on the "but giant robots wouldn't work" part, then I suspect there's no way to enjoy the movie your miserable, giant-robot-less life, devoid of joy and happiness.
Fixed that for greater accuracy.
Also, good point about the silicon-based lifeforms.
You know some little part of my brain is thinking "You know, if this movie does really well in japan maybe we'd get Gipsy Danger showing up in Super Robot Wars", even though the rest of my brain knows it's probably very wrong. Not that we get to have those games in america.
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generalgrog wrote: Just saw it and I didn't read many posts here but this movie was about
As appealing as watching Saturday morning power rangers and transformers part2
Terrible movie.
I haven't felt like walking out of film in a long time. The
Only thing that kept me in was the Hong Kong battle.
I would give it an E but the CGI was pretty good so I give it a D
GG
I have rarely been this happy to see somebody disagree with me about a movie I thought was awesome.
generalgrog wrote:Just saw it and I didn't read many posts here but this movie was about
As appealing as watching Saturday morning power rangers and transformers part2
Terrible movie.
I haven't felt like walking out of film in a long time. The
Only thing that kept me in was the Hong Kong battle.
I would give it an E but the CGI was pretty good so I give it a D
GG
So in other words: you weren't the film's target audience, and the expected result ocurred.
generalgrog wrote: Possibly...however del toro could have made an
Attempt at making a coherent unsilly film while making
His power rangers movie.
CJ
You know of all the criticisms one could possibly bring about pacific rim, saying the film was incoherent is probably the furthest from valid I could imagine. It's got easy to understand and cohesive themes and presents them in a very straightforward manner. "Silly" yeah in some ways, but we're dealing with 200' tall robots here, we're already at silly with just the premise. I mean you can certainly valid things to criticize about the movie, both things that are probably real flaws and others that are kind of a matter of stylistic taste. You complaints seem to be along the lines of:
"They made a giant mecha movie"
Also just an as an aside I'd like to tell
you that
this is a really an odd way 2 to format
Your Posts.
-C
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But aside from that..I used incoherent because the film took some really odd turns at places. The two scientists (although I did like the performance of the "sunny in Philly" actor.
If people liked it good for them. Just wasn't my cup of tea.
WTFFFFFFF!!!
the whole first bit of the movie I was like
"why do these giant robots not just have swords/axes/big guns/ect to shoot the kajus back into oblivious... why rock em sock em style"
halfway through, when whats her pickcle engages the sword arm.. Im like why wasnt that done ages ago...
other then that great movie, needs more robot on monster and monster on monster and robot on robot fight scenes, also more random destruction of city scenes.
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