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2013/08/26 19:01:24
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/27 16:22:25
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Ya'know, I think some of those may have a grain of truth to them.
Namely the increase availability of 2+ saves. Reason being that it makes all these new grav weapons more desireable as a counter to monstrous creatures.
ductvader wrote: What do people think about the general rumors decreasing MCs to T5 and giving them each 1-2 more wounds.
Honestly...missiles and mid strength weaponry wound about the same but have to do it more now...
Allow me to express my opinion of that in Nostalgia critic quote form.
Tyranid MCs should not be popped like balloons by railguns and demolisher cannons.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/27 16:56:23
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
ductvader wrote: To be fair, powerfists, thunderhammers, missiles are all still wounding you on 2s...
Now they have to do it 1-2 more times.
For it to be true there's got be some S10 protection.
I like the protection against instant-death T6 provides.
And a T5 monstrous creature just feels wrong.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/27 17:14:42
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
MY question is, why does Eldar get a T8 unit? ALL of our MCs should be tougher than a Wraithlord...maybe not a Wraithknight, but come on...a Wraithlord?
I vote ALL TMCs get T8 automatically. They can keep they're 3+ save, no Invuln, just make them tough and menacing!
2013/08/27 17:31:32
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
roxor08 wrote: MY question is, why does Eldar get a T8 unit? ALL of our MCs should be tougher than a Wraithlord...maybe not a Wraithknight, but come on...a Wraithlord?
I vote ALL TMCs get T8 automatically. They can keep they're 3+ save, no Invuln, just make them tough and menacing!
Most equivalent TMCs get more wounds though. The wraithlords have a higher threshold of what counts as a serious hit but a carnifex for example can take more of said serious hits.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/27 19:45:33
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
ductvader wrote: Tyranids are made of chitin and flesh...like a bug...or a really thick version of your fingernails.
That is not true, Tyranid anatomy isn't like normal animals or bugs. Shoot an elephant with a big rifle, it would die. If you could try with a big dinosaur, it would happen the same.
Now theoretically shoot a gaunt. There is a possibility (depending on the fluff) that the bullet would bounce of the carapace. Any larger Tyranid would ignore it.
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A Carnifex is tougher than an Abrams tank. A Bio-titan could easily take on a WW2 naval fleet. A Tyranid Bio-ship has more firepower that all the existing nukes put together.
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Comparing the Tyranids to normal flesh is like comparing the IoM technology to spears and bows.
2013/08/27 20:08:15
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
ductvader wrote: Tyranids are made of chitin and flesh...like a bug...or a really thick version of your fingernails.
That is not true, Tyranid anatomy isn't like normal animals or bugs. Shoot an elephant with a big rifle, it would die. If you could try with a big dinosaur, it would happen the same.
Now theoretically shoot a gaunt. There is a possibility (depending on the fluff) that the bullet would bounce of the carapace. Any larger Tyranid would ignore it.
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A Carnifex is tougher than an Abrams tank. A Bio-titan could easily take on a WW2 naval fleet. A Tyranid Bio-ship has more firepower that all the existing nukes put together.
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Comparing the Tyranids to normal flesh is like comparing the IoM technology to spears and bows.
Jeez...it was just to give an idea of the material involved...
roxor08 wrote: MY question is, why does Eldar get a T8 unit? ALL of our MCs should be tougher than a Wraithlord...maybe not a Wraithknight, but come on...a Wraithlord?
I vote ALL TMCs get T8 automatically. They can keep they're 3+ save, no Invuln, just make them tough and menacing!
Most equivalent TMCs get more wounds though. The wraithlords have a higher threshold of what counts as a serious hit but a carnifex for example can take more of said serious hits.
^This
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All you need for T5 and more wounds to work nicely is making any model in Synapse range gain eternal warrior (and maybe it will not die). Hell doing that would make things like warriors a unit that you could safely take and a workable warrior army is something i would really like.
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2013/08/28 14:34:34
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
I think T5 on some TMC for the exchange of more wounds would be okay. Like on a Trygon or Mawloc because they're more snakey and made for moving quickly. But for a carnifex i would stick with T6 since they're the bashers of the army.
Could you imagine a trygon with something crazy like 7 or 8 wounds! even with T5 it would be a ral headache for the opponent to take down
Slash, Gash, Gnash, and Smash! That's the Tyranid way
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2013/08/28 15:36:19
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Hyrule Hero wrote: I think T5 on some TMC for the exchange of more wounds would be okay. Like on a Trygon or Mawloc because they're more snakey and made for moving quickly. But for a carnifex i would stick with T6 since they're the bashers of the army.
Could you imagine a trygon with something crazy like 7 or 8 wounds! even with T5 it would be a ral headache for the opponent to take down
No. One rail cannon, one DCCW, one wolf lord power fist shouldn't be capable of killing a 30-ft tall monster, snake-like or not.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2013/08/28 17:35:02
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
thats why you give them eternal warrior, or some rule that says they take 2 wounds from double strength instead of dying instantly. at least while in synapse.
imo, fexes should be like T7, since they are supposed to be THE living tanks.
2013/08/28 18:28:09
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Hyrule Hero wrote: I think T5 on some TMC for the exchange of more wounds would be okay. Like on a Trygon or Mawloc because they're more snakey and made for moving quickly. But for a carnifex i would stick with T6 since they're the bashers of the army.
Could you imagine a trygon with something crazy like 7 or 8 wounds! even with T5 it would be a ral headache for the opponent to take down
Trygons used to be T7 Gargantuan creatures and are still referred to as Small Bio-titans so being reduced to T5 wouldn't really make sense.
If anything having their T7 back would help them stand out a little from the sea of T6 in the codex.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/28 22:16:38
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
i more meant other MCs. the trygon should be reduced in toughness. i remember it from FW. also, its bigger than a fex, and its a burrower. it makes sense for it to be at least T6. still say fexes should be T7 though.
2013/08/28 22:30:14
Subject: TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
hivetyrant765 wrote: i more meant other MCs. the trygon should be reduced in toughness. i remember it from FW. also, its bigger than a fex, and its a burrower. it makes sense for it to be at least T6. still say fexes should be T7 though.
I wasn't quite referring to you, but a T7 fex could be interesting.
The Tyrannofex should at least be T7 anyway.
And needs better guns all around.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/08/29 01:31:07
Subject: Re:TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Can you imagine if they gave the Tyrannofex BS 4 and a Biocannon?
Ailaros wrote: You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!"
2013/08/29 02:30:32
Subject: Re:TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
PrinceRaven wrote: Can you imagine if they gave the Tyrannofex BS 4 and a Biocannon?
It would cost like 400 points.
Yeah :(
Ailaros wrote: You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!"
2013/08/29 02:41:44
Subject: Re:TYRANIDS ~ Let's take a trip down memory lane and look to the future with hope!
Hyrule Hero wrote: I think T5 on some TMC for the exchange of more wounds would be okay. Like on a Trygon or Mawloc because they're more snakey and made for moving quickly. But for a carnifex i would stick with T6 since they're the bashers of the army.
Could you imagine a trygon with something crazy like 7 or 8 wounds! even with T5 it would be a ral headache for the opponent to take down
Unless it's something like 100pts or able to fly, no MC should be under T6. Virtually any codex can insta-kill T5 MC's with S10 weapons that have been around forever (Demolishers, Wraithcannons, Railguns).
I would really like to see more variation in MC profiles though, rather than making all Nid MC's equally susceptible to the same weapons. For example:
This means you can't rely on Krak / Plasma weapons (or S6 spam) to counter everything the same way, and you're better off using lascannon / melta against certain creatures.
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