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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 15:38:37
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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Holy cow that shirt is pretty mentally challanged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 15:40:38
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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TheDraconicLord wrote: insaniak wrote: Sidstyler wrote:5-10 models a side? So that means the models will be at least $50-80 each then, since GW isn't interested in selling you a game that doesn't require at least a $1000 investment.
Odd. I could have sworn that Space Hulk and Dread fleet both sold for somewhat less than $1000, even here in Oz, but I may be misremembering...
The hate is strong in this one 
Now, now.  He's making "critical observations" and providing "valuable feedback."
If this rumor is true (and Tasty's record isn't too bad with this stuff), there are so many variables involved (minis, rules, replayability, support, etc.)that it's hard to know what to think about it. It could literally end up being the worst thing GW's ever done, or the best, or anywhere in between.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 15:49:36
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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gorgon wrote:
If this rumor is true (and Tasty's record isn't too bad with this stuff), there are so many variables involved (minis, rules, replayability, support, etc.)that it's hard to know what to think about it. It could literally end up being the worst thing GW's ever done, or the best, or anywhere in between.
I appreciate your willingness to take a firm stand on this rumor and really put yourself out there!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 15:49:53
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Mmmmm ....£40 book...£60-£75 finecast warband.....29mm+ so its not compatible....
poorly supported..they makes their money then it will be dropped....crash bang.... until there next crappy idea.
Which not doubt everyone will buy it anyway because GW knows everyone will.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 16:05:14
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I love the idea of an Inquisition game if it was fully supported. Being that most seem to agree the box release will have limited support, I'd rather see Bloodbowl. Inquisition versus Chaos over and over again would be annoying to me as my enjoyment comes mostly from the Imperium versus Xenos aspect of 40k. No support means no Ordo Xenos expansion with Eldar/Dark Eldar/Ork teams...which is where I'd love to sign on to play.
Supported for 3-4 solid expansions? Give me Inquisitor 2.0!
Not supported beyond splash or maybe one expansion? Give me Bloodbowl 2.0!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 16:08:38
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Yodhrin wrote: notprop wrote: Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:If its a one shot release box I'm interested anyway, if its more than that and more akin to an older GW Roleplay game with factions, then I'm likely to be in danger of spending more than the one gang anyways.
When Necromunda was in full swing last time, I had all the gangs and in the case of Escher and Cawdor, multiple gangs. I'm hoping GW might consider that if they went down the route as many folks won't restrict themselves to one gang.
Plus with a direct tie in to a 40K army I would expect them to be watching if Grey Knights got a higher percentage of sales in the following year. If that turned out to be the case I could imagine other factions eventually getting a look in.
...stuff....
...more stuff....
The thing is though back when Necro was released, I don't know about you but I was but I was Little Timmy notprop hovering up every GW product I could lay my grubby mits on. On reflection that meant I got the boxgame, a delaque gang, then another gang (£12 for a gang was allot of money then!) then played it all summer. My Epic army was neglected and 40k didn't get a look in. Will the Little Timmy's carry on with everything (unlikely know my kids!) or focus on one thing at a time.
Now I'm the other category I'll by whatever new stuff I like, which isn't that much generally.
So daft is one way of looking at it the economics of answering to shareholders is another.
Manchu wrote:If this happens, I will definitely buy it.
Of course, I would also definitely buy a new Blood Bowl set.
Tru dat!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 16:29:18
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?s
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Alpharius wrote: gorgon wrote:
If this rumor is true (and Tasty's record isn't too bad with this stuff), there are so many variables involved (minis, rules, replayability, support, etc.)that it's hard to know what to think about it. It could literally end up being the worst thing GW's ever done, or the best, or anywhere in between.
I appreciate your willingness to take a firm stand on this rumor and really put yourself out there! 
 If true though, it isn't obviously a dud idea, right? In fact it has extremely high potential, especially since GW has historically made some good skirmish games. You just have to wonder about the execution given that the last two mystery boxes have been highly "self-contained." I think that approach would drastically limit this idea's appeal. Part of the appeal of Inquisimunda, etc lies in the way they open up possibilities.
So who knows how this will turn out? Clearer?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 16:37:39
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Combat Jumping Garuda
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I honestly hope it sucks extremely bad.
... Not because I hate GW, but because I enjoy other GW games that are skirmish sized and hate the competition and the idea that people in my general gaming communities will wander toward it simply because it is made by GW.
HOPEFULLY, it is like Dreadfleet in that it is limited release and never seen again.
Again, not because I hate GW. I actually enjoy 40k, Hobbit (yes, I'm the only one I know in any of the 'local areas' I frequent), and the occasional Blood Bowl. I just don't want to have to constantly remind people that there are other skirmish level games that 'do it better' (my likely future opinion, since GW claims to be a hobbiest model company first and a gaming company second).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 16:58:40
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That may be. Your reasoning still belongs in the pants on head category. Surely we all understand that people play what they enjoy and not what is objectively the best (assuming we could quantify best)?
I personally don't care if it's a limited release or not. What counts is model quality and rules, in that order. I can do everything else myself. It's not like it's hard to build an extra layer of rules when the core is good enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 17:13:48
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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I was a big big big 40k fan up until a couple of years back when I realised that between work, husband and daddy duties I neither have the time or the money to keep up with the system.
I find myself able to get in a game or two per week but these are restricted to evenings. So skirmish games are ideal.
If GW were to release a set of skirmish rules either as a one-off or an on going system, I for one would be extremely happy. Not to mention that I could finally blow off the dust from my many 40k armies!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 17:47:31
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Using Object Source Lighting
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The mystery and limited? thing means that if it turns out to be something desirable it will be sold out in a heartbeat and many of us will not get the box. Also summer vacations means many will not be able to keep up with the news and buy things in such small time frame.
I love BB and skirmish games in general and regardless of price I'm more concerned with the material that they will be doing this, finecast will make even the most attractive game a pass for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 18:27:37
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Don't worry, I'm going to buy 5 boxes and scalper the living crap out of ordinary people like you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 19:35:08
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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A Nec/Inquisitor skirmish game is likely to sell well, even better if there is a little thought put into it. At 5-10 figures a faction, I could see 8-10 distinct leaders who would make up the remainder of their gang/retinue from a pool of say around 20 other types/characters.
One stumbling block is that it needs to be standalone and play out of the box. So plastic terrain is unlikely, cardstock must be heavy not too flimsy.
Other drawback is that Mantic already have Deadzone out there,figure quality looks variable bit perhaps GW waited too long to republish a skirmish game
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 19:38:24
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
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My fiancé will have my hide if this rumor proves to be true.
I'm not supposed to buy any more models until I've finished the ones I have now...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 19:53:37
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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wilycoyote wrote:Other drawback is that Mantic already have Deadzone out there,figure quality looks variable bit perhaps GW waited too long to republish a skirmish game
Why? Deadzone is not going to compete with a GW published retake on Necromunda and more than Mantic's big systems compete with WH40k/WFB. And that's a good thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 20:24:27
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Hopefully there will be enough to go around. Otherwise the low-lifes will buy copies just to resell.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 20:25:10
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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wilycoyote wrote:Other drawback is that Mantic already have Deadzone out there,figure quality looks variable bit perhaps GW waited too long to republish a skirmish game
Drawback? If I was in charge of GW, I'd see this as an opportunity to cripple Mantic. GW's plastic kits don't have to cost as much as they do, and there is a strategic benefit in pricing the essentials low enough that companies without reliable access to plastic manufacturing can't afford to undercut you. Choose a few appropriate plastic kits (say, Stormtroopers, Assorted Hangers-On/Hivers, Cultists/Muties) and half a dozen leader mini-sprues, put them at the prices of three years ago and watch Mantic wither and die as they're undercut by their own customers dumping Deadzone on Ebay.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 20:28:23
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor
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Deadzone doesnt officially release till December does it? If the Inquisitor game is true (hopefully) and releases in September then it would hit retail before deadzone (after kickstarter however).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 20:47:18
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I would love a boxed 40k skirmish game. I bet I could use it to get some of my friends who are into board games but not so much wargaming to pick up full-fledged 40k if it was good enough. I'd also be really happy with cardstock terrain like Necromunda had.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 20:53:13
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Hacking Shang Jí
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Tbh cardstock terrain would feel like a step backwards for me! But then, I suppose it worked for Space Hulk!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 20:55:49
Subject: Re:Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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licclerich wrote:Mmmmm ....£40 book...£60-£75 finecast warband.....29mm+ so its not compatible....
poorly supported..they makes their money then it will be dropped....crash bang.... until there next crappy idea.
Which not doubt everyone will buy it anyway because GW knows everyone will.....
I love how everyone will buy it anyway, but that somehow it's another "crappy idea" from GW. lol
If it were crappy, people wouldn't buy it.
If it makes extremely good bank, I doubt it will be dropped. They may even place a different team of people on it for continued support so they can continue to high rate of 40k releases without disruption.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 21:04:05
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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I see 20 to 30 mini`s in the box. No scenery cos well why when they sell it already. A fairly well detailed rulebook, psychic cards, wargear cards, special dice etc. And going off what has been said if it is a non limited edition game they will support, then maybe releases every other month. New characters, scenarios etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 21:09:05
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Emperors_Champion wrote:Tbh cardstock terrain would feel like a step backwards for me! But then, I suppose it worked for Space Hulk!
Stuff like scaffolding and ramps that could easily fold up in the box and provide a multi-levelled playing field would be nice on the cheap.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 21:11:04
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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MandalorynOranj wrote:I would love a boxed 40k skirmish game. I bet I could use it to get some of my friends who are into board games but not so much wargaming to pick up full-fledged 40k if it was good enough. I'd also be really happy with cardstock terrain like Necromunda had.
I love the Necromunda cardstock terrain, but I don't see them doing cardstock terrain again. Space Hulk is different since it's a board game, but they haven't done card terrain since 2nd edition 40k. Even in 3rd it was plastic ruins or building your own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 21:21:33
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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I suppose they could do something similar to the malifaux range of scenery. Not really expensive and gives a good scope for what they can add later on. Though again 40k scenery is already out there cities of death buildings etc. The only thing they could do is some interior buildings, offices, housing types perhaps
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 21:42:58
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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aclive wrote:the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.
Yet another reason GW is like a drug dealer.  The only difference is the the first hit isn't free.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 22:17:22
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I'd happily take Necromunda, Blood Bowl or whatever. Anything to distract a veteran 40k player from this awful edition of the game...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 22:20:14
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Ian Pickstock
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WarAngel wrote:aclive wrote:the general marketing goal for Inquisition is a gateway game into the greater Warhammer 40k universe.
Yet another reason GW is like a drug dealer.  The only difference is the the first hit isn't free.
It's called plastic crack for a reason  and back in the day they did give a free model or box to newcomers. I got a free commissar. This was 13 years ago mind...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 22:31:39
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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On second thought, Blood Bowl, Inquisitor and Necromunda all have solid rules and models. I want an updated version of Gorkamorka!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/17 23:39:12
Subject: Mystery Box - No Blood Bowl? Instead...40K Inquisition?!?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Oh great Athe, let this be true!
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