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Haha redbeard the title of the nfl thread on another forum I post on for 2 years was "ANDY REID : CLOCK MANAGEMENT EXPERT" ;p

Also dogma the lack of even competent officiating has been a problem all year ;p. glad to see it's continued into the playoffs lol.

Well, geeze, you have a 28 point lead in the 3rd quarter - what is smart, call pass plays to the outside, that pretty much ensure the receiver will go out of bounds if he catches it, stopping the clock complete or incomplete... or maybe do some runs and pass only over the middle to keep the clock running.

To be fair, KC had a lot of guys go down that game, but they had 28 points to give, and made every effort to ensure the Colts had the time to score them.

Yah I completely agree ;p. just turrible play calling. So who'd KC lose to concussions? Jamaal Charles, Brandon flowers, Donny Avery, and who else? I know there was at least 1 other was it justin Houston? That's like 3 of their top 6 players...


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So KCvINDY has 89 total points and the saint eagles game has 3 points almost at half time. I feel like football universe is upside down right now lol. What the heck is going on this year it's the "national football twilight zone" ;p


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I love how the saints are telling the refs when to throw flags and the refs are listening. Not that these are bad calls but wtf is with the refs haha.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I completely agree ;p. just turrible play calling. So who'd KC lose to concussions? Jamaal Charles, Brandon flowers, Donny Avery, and who else? I know there was at least 1 other was it justin Houston? That's like 3 of their top 6 players...


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So KCvINDY has 89 total points and the saint eagles game has 3 points almost at half time. I feel like football universe is upside down right now lol. What the heck is going on this year it's the "national football twilight zone" ;p


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I love how the saints are telling the refs when to throw flags and the refs are listening. Not that these are bad calls but wtf is with the refs haha.

I like that kind of reffing just fine as far as this game is concerned.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I completely agree ;p. just turrible play calling. So who'd KC lose to concussions? Jamaal Charles, Brandon flowers, Donny Avery, and who else? I know there was at least 1 other was it justin Houston? That's like 3 of their top 6 players...


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So KCvINDY has 89 total points and the saint eagles game has 3 points almost at half time. I feel like football universe is upside down right now lol. What the heck is going on this year it's the "national football twilight zone" ;p


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I love how the saints are telling the refs when to throw flags and the refs are listening. Not that these are bad calls but wtf is with the refs haha.

Yes Houston and the #2 RB Davis... what a mess.

Yah what a crapshoot.

And the saints just started to crack this game wide open.


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And as I say that the eagles ram it down the saints throats lol. I love football despite some of its oddities

WHODAT!

Holy crap, what a hard fought game for both sides with a Hollywood finish for the Saints.

Relapse wrote:
WHODAT!

THAT has to be one of the absolute WORST sports "catch phrases" in the history of sport. Aside from that gak that Cincinatti does... WTF does that even mean? I mean, really!?


Ohh, and for the record, I also despise the sports commentators who call a team's fanbase "Nation"ie. Red Sox Nation, Patriots Nation, Raider Nation.... Well, the Raiders one is weird on its own because they drop the plural from the team name, but hey...

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Relapse wrote:
WHODAT!

THAT has to be one of the absolute WORST sports "catch phrases" in the history of sport. Aside from that gak that Cincinatti does... WTF does that even mean? I mean, really!?


Ohh, and for the record, I also despise the sports commentators who call a team's fanbase "Nation"ie. Red Sox Nation, Patriots Nation, Raider Nation.... Well, the Raiders one is weird on its own because they drop the plural from the team name, but hey...

Eagles fan, you must be!

Relapse wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Relapse wrote:
WHODAT!

THAT has to be one of the absolute WORST sports "catch phrases" in the history of sport. Aside from that gak that Cincinatti does... WTF does that even mean? I mean, really!?


Ohh, and for the record, I also despise the sports commentators who call a team's fanbase "Nation"ie. Red Sox Nation, Patriots Nation, Raider Nation.... Well, the Raiders one is weird on its own because they drop the plural from the team name, but hey...

Eagles fan, you must be!

NEIN!!!! I am actually a Seahawks fan... Just, I've always hated that non-English gak that people come up with... actually, whatever it is, it's not really in any official modern language

Sorry to the KC bros but this is hilarious. This is the headline for a KC newspaper this morning.

http://viralnewschart.com/ShowLink.aspx?linkId=25133742


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I know the patriots have Shane vereen who's pretty badass but goddamn I miss little Danny Woodhead... All he does is make plays.


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Pretty good game so far.


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The red rocket is crapping his pants....


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Does Marvin Lewis lose his job "if" the bengals lose this game? He's the new Martyball...


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Is no one watching football?!? Jesus why is no one posting.


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I fething hate automatically appended next posts lol.

Seriously?!?

How the hell do you let the SF QB run all over hell ALL GAME LONG?!?

It's pretty obvious when he's going to run....and yet they couldn't stop him?!

Well...here's hoping the Panthers show up and shut them down.

I completely LOATHE the 49'ers.

OMFG FINALLLY!

Yah what a brutal loss. Watching New Orleans and San Fran milk the clock and end the game with field goals was pretty disappointing ends to those games to say the least.




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I'm realizing more and more what a Whiney dink Jim Harbaugh is.

At least the games this weekend were interesting.

What's your pick for the SB game at this point?

Seattle and either Denver, or NE.... just depends on what I see next weekend.

Seattle vs. Denver with Seattle winners of course

But the 9ers scare me if I am being honest. Yhey are on a roll and playing well enough to beat anybody anywhere.

No Panthers? No Chargers?

Seattle and Denver. Denver wins.

My picks from here on out are
Carolina over San Fran
Seattle over saints
New England over Indy
Chargers over Broncos

Carolina over Seattle
New England over Chargers

New England over Carolina in a repeat 34-31

Chance what do you see in Carolina that has them over the 49ers and Seattle? sCam Newton?

There's the fact they already beat the niners and lost to Seattle by 5 points, and that defense is SICK. Cam newton has a penchant for winning the big game even if it's under the radar. And I enjoy picking underdogs which they certainly will be.

Maybe they won't beat the Seahawks but they have San Fran coming across country to their house after just playing a BRUTAL game against Green Bay.

The Packers played like a bunch of buffoons.

Than again... I just don't like any NFC.

I think if the Saints take out Seattle, they have a great chance at being the Super Bowl champs.

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Watching New Orleans and San Fran milk the clock and end the game with field goals was pretty disappointing ends to those games to say the least.

I totally disagree with this statement. Watching a good coach work the clock and deny his opponent the opportunity to mount a comeback is good football. The Packers (or Eagles) could have used the "let them score, and get us the ball back" strategy - but they didn't. I think it was obvious to most watchers that whoever had the ball last had a huge advantage in each of those games, and so making sure you got it last was good play.

Meh I'm not saying t wasn't the smart decision. I'm just saying for how back and forth those games were they deserved a Better ending. Watching your team ice the clock for the win is awesome. Watching teams you have no stake in do it is boring to me ;p.

Edit :I'm just realizing how hypocritical this post is lol.

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The lack of illegal formation calls against Indianapolis hurts my brain. Their left guard clearly lined up in the backfield many times.

Honestly, I think refs' heads are swimming, and that they're under massive amounts of pressure right now. Goodell has put a lot of extra player safety judgment calls on their plates, and in some ways positioned them as the agents of culture change (and frontline defense against future litigation). Before their focus was just on stuff like holding, pass interference, etc. Meanwhile the game just seems to be getting faster and faster as more teams embrace no-huddle, hurry-up, etc. And replay is always looking over their shoulder to make them look like buffoons...except for plays that inexplicably can't be reviewed, of course.

I know there's people who say that the refs should be full-time league employees, but I don't think that'd really solve anything.

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 dogma wrote:
The lack of illegal formation calls against Indianapolis hurts my brain. Their left guard clearly lined up in the backfield many times.

Honestly, I think refs' heads are swimming, and that they're under massive amounts of pressure right now. Goodell has put a lot of extra player safety judgment calls on their plates, and in some ways positioned them as the agents of culture change (and frontline defense against future litigation). Before their focus was just on stuff like holding, pass interference, etc. Meanwhile the game just seems to be getting faster and faster as more teams embrace no-huddle, hurry-up, etc. And replay is always looking over their shoulder to make them look like buffoons...except for plays that inexplicably can't be reviewed, of course.

I know there's people who say that the refs should be full-time league employees, but I don't think that'd really solve anything.

I know that in the past there has been (admittedly negative) talk about possibly using the Instant Replay system for penalties as well as challenging plays on the field. Honestly, seeing how the TMO works in a Rugby match, I would LOOOOOVE it if the NFL adopted this exact same sort of system. Not only does the head ref, and a specific "TMO" get to see the camera angles, so do the fans. I think that, personally, a great few defensive players would play a little better if they knew their hits could/would be reviewed in public

As someone who goes to games instead of just watching on TV, I'm really not in favour of expanding replay at all. As it is, there are too many delays, and stoppages. Adding more of these so that every possible penalty gets caught would just slow the game down inexcusably.

It has been said that there is holding on every NFL play. The extent and location of these holds is what matters. Holding on the interior of the line is rarely noticed because of where the refs are relative to the play. Even in full-speed replays, it can be hard to see.

(Watch this and see how many loops it takes you to see it)



What you have to accept is that the refs are both human, and part of the game. Most of them are right well over 95% of the time. It sure sucks when your team is on the wrong side of a call, but they'll be on the other side at some other time. An obsession with perfect calls (seen only in slow-motion from a dozen camera angles) detracts from the sport.

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As someone who goes to games instead of just watching on TV, I'm really not in favour of expanding replay at all. As it is, there are too many delays, and stoppages. Adding more of these so that every possible penalty gets caught would just slow the game down inexcusably.

It has been said that there is holding on every NFL play. The extent and location of these holds is what matters. Holding on the interior of the line is rarely noticed because of where the refs are relative to the play. Even in full-speed replays, it can be hard to see.

(Watch this and see how many loops it takes you to see it)

Spoiler:

Saw it the first time round

But, if you watch a rugby match, if an official calls to the TMO for a penalty, its usually for something like a dangerous tackle of some sort. I'd personally say that, if an official is unsure of a "targetting" penalty, it would be better for the game to stop a bit (especially if they are looking at the potential penalty while the player is receiving medical attention) to get the right call than to have the game hinge on a perceived biased play, or a bad non-call, etc. I mean, I don't think that a Holding should be reviewable.. but Pass Interference? Personal Foul? Leading with the Helmet? things that have major potential for injury to players, I think, should be reviewable, and they should be able to eject players on the spot for that sort of dangerous play. Obviously, your defense is not going to play a man down because someone got ejected, but it could go a good ways to making the game "safer" as the NFL commissioner wants.

I believe though, that we've also seen that NFL coaches are HORRIBLE at challenging plays on the field, and so I don't necessarily think that they should retain that ability

I'm not really in favor of expanding replay either. As Redbeard said, if you actually attend games you learn that replay delays can be ponderous and terribly damaging to the flow of the game. And the NFL wants people in the stands...rest assured things like the near-blackouts of playoff games this past weekend gets their attention.

Honestly, I think I'd be in favor of less replay, not more. They're still blowing calls with replay in place, so what difference does it make? Limit it to coaches challenges. Similarly, with player safety I say go back to having the refs call the obvious stuff and traditional personal fouls, and let the league office worry about whether someone lowered his head before slightly making contact, etc. The players respond more to fines than anything else anyway. Cripes, let catches go back to being catches again.

I think the refs have enough to do and enough people breathing down their necks. Lighten the load on them a little and you might see better officiating overall.

I actually like replay the way it is currently instituted but I'm with you guys if were to see a change I'd rather less than more.

One major change I'd LOVE to see is make PI a tiered foul like flagrant 1 and 2 in the nba. Have flagrant 1 be 10 or 15 yards or whatever and flagrant 2 be spot foul if it's really aggregious. I'm sick of Ticky tack PI giving a team the ball 50 yards down field.