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Hey guys,

I have noticed something with the 6th edition codexs regarding character stats. Back in 2nd edition you used to get anywhere between 1 -10 wounds, this seemed to drop off and in 5th most Hq and special characters had a max of 3 (well my SW, orks and IG did). Looking through the Eldar and chaos dex's it now seems some dudes are rocking 4 wounds.

So will the likes of Gaz get into 5 wounds or is 4 the limit?

I can't speak for the Chaos Dex, but there's only 3 models that have more than 3 wounds: The Avatar, Prince Yriel and the Wraithknight. Three isn't a lot and I think the increased wounds for these guys are justified, in the same way as stuff like Daemon Princes are.

I imagine Ghaz will have four wounds. He is, like Yriel, the most combat focussed Special Character in the army. And he is "da biggest and baddest Ork".

Basic Tau commander has 4 wounds which I do find quite a suprise, but again its only that and the riptide that has more then 3 (of course varients of the commander included as well). Daemons are different as there is a lot of big gribllies in it, but the heralds only have two wounds base and the princes are 4 and the GD's are 5.

I can't speak for the Chaos Dex, but there's only 3 models that have more than 3 wounds: The Avatar, Prince Yriel and the Wraithknight. Three isn't a lot and I think the increased wounds for these guys are justified, in the same way as stuff like Daemon Princes are.

- The Shadow

Do not forget about the Tyranid Codex as well. Hive Tyrants are rocking four wounds and Tervigons are rocking six (and I just picked those two because they are headquarters; the Tyranid codex is not lacking in the many-wound gribblies department).

Lysander has 4
Tau Battlesuit Commanders have 4
All MC have >= 5
Azrael has 4

I've noticed this too. But it isn't just Wounds - other stats have gone up too. WS, BS, I... not all on any one character that I can think of, but there's a definite creep up. It's probably related to the increased focus on challenges where the designers noticed that there wasn't much making characters "different" in rules terms.
In particular the Daemon Prince statline got pushed up in a big way.

Ghazzy does have four wounds, doesn't he?

Yup, ghazzy has four.

Some of the big Daemon gribblies are high-wounds, high toughness.

 Krellnus wrote:
Lysander has 4
Tau Battlesuit Commanders have 4
All MC have >= 5
Azrael has 4

Talos
Cronos
Wraithlord


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Daston wrote:
Hey guys,

I have noticed something with the 6th edition codexs regarding character stats. Back in 2nd edition you used to get anywhere between 1 -10 wounds, this seemed to drop off and in 5th most Hq and special characters had a max of 3 (well my SW, orks and IG did). Looking through the Eldar and chaos dex's it now seems some dudes are rocking 4 wounds.

So will the likes of Gaz get into 5 wounds or is 4 the limit?

it seems that every codex has one character with +1 wound over the normal combat focused HQ. DE has vect, CWE has Yiriel, CSM has Abby, SW has logan

 Exergy wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Lysander has 4
Tau Battlesuit Commanders have 4
All MC have >= 5
Azrael has 4

Talos
Cronos
Wraithlord


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Daston wrote:
Hey guys,

I have noticed something with the 6th edition codexs regarding character stats. Back in 2nd edition you used to get anywhere between 1 -10 wounds, this seemed to drop off and in 5th most Hq and special characters had a max of 3 (well my SW, orks and IG did). Looking through the Eldar and chaos dex's it now seems some dudes are rocking 4 wounds.

So will the likes of Gaz get into 5 wounds or is 4 the limit?

it seems that every codex has one character with +1 wound over the normal combat focused HQ. DE has vect, CWE has Yiriel, CSM has Abby, SW has logan

Really???

All this time I assumed 3 was the max............

I think I will go and have a drink may be that will help


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Logan has 3 in the codex

 Krellnus wrote:
All MC have >= 5

Carnifexes have 4.
How many do Grotesques have?

Dante has 4 wounds
Gabriel Seth has 4 wounds
Mephiston has 5 wounds

These are all from the Blood Angel's codex. There seems to be quite a few things with more than 3 wounds max.

man, my Nids book must be new then, because I have 6 wound trygons and mawlocs, 4 wound carnifexes and hive tyrants, and even 3 wound warriors for troops!

Tau Commander - 4
Farsight - 4
Aun'va - 4
Fireblade, Aun'shi, darkstrider - 3
Shadowsun - 3
Riptide - 5

Seems like the "lord" types ( fantasy player here ) in 40k have 4, while "heroes" have 3.

All my Necron characters have 3 wounds max :(

Except for the C'tan. But he's a MC so that's expected.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
All MC have >= 5

Carnifexes have 4.
How many do Grotesques have?

3 I think, but they aren't MCs

CSM demon princes only have 4 wounds (which can only be tied by a juggernaught lord). Not all new codices are going wound crazy.

 Brotherjanus wrote:
Dante has 4 wounds
Gabriel Seth has 4 wounds
Mephiston has 5 wounds

These are all from the Blood Angel's codex. There seems to be quite a few things with more than 3 wounds max.

That's because none of them have Eternal Warrior. They seem to do either Eternal Warrior or swap it out for an additional wound (see 4th and 5th ed Tyranid Warriors for another example).

sooooo... where is this creep towards higher and higher wounds heading?

Well, tyranid are coming out soon, and there's been a decided push to bring apocalypse/epic units into regular 40k.

Stands to reason there will be a W10 TMC coming up in the next codex. Something from apocalypse or epic ported into the main game.

Not that soon.

They have a 5th ed codex, and there are still 4th ed codexes needing an update.

I'm sure you're right when they DO get one though.

Nids have gotten a new codex every edition - rumors put them in Q1 2014.

A Nurgle CSM Lord with Palanquin is 5 wounds

 Exergy wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Lysander has 4
Tau Battlesuit Commanders have 4
All MC have >= 5
Azrael has 4

Talos
Cronos
Wraithlord

Hive Tyrant
Carnifex
Harpy
Old One Eye
Mycetic Spore
Daemon Prince
C'tan Shard

 Ascalam wrote:
Not that soon.

They have a 5th ed codex, and there are still 4th ed codexes needing an update.

Rumours are saying January/February.

Tau commanders had 4 wounds back in 4th edition (at least the expensive version did, remember back when you could pay less points to get a commander with worse stats?). I am almost sure that the black book codex for 3rd edition had space marine commanders with 4 wounds. Imperial guard had 3 if I recall correctly. So 4 wounds for a top tier commander has been around for a long time.

Also I had no idea that Aun`Va had 4 wounds... come to think of it I don't think I ever actually read his rules. Maybe I did, but they were so bad that my brain pressed the "auto erase" key (I think that happened to the special issue weapons as well. I swear I read the statline of the dang things at some point).