Codex: Space Marines [First post updated 27-08-2013 - Leaked White Dwarf images added]

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**Fezman**

EYEofTERROR wrote:
Target acquired. Centurians fail to impress. Looks like a TMNT in power armor. Salamanders centurians will really look like ninja turtles. Look at those hands! Completely devoid of.detail. I know i love painting things like that. Someone please buy those so i can mutilate and obliterate them. I like the concept. The design and execution leaves a lot to be desired. They look much better with ork pilots. Gretchen pilots would make me laugh in a good way. In the hands of a skilled painter, they could look bad ass. I'm imagining iron hands with tons of body damage and wear and tear. Maybe an arm without armor casing and a cyborg head or iron hands bionic helmet. Even an imperial fist or white scars paint job with battle damage could be cool.

As for everything else; HELL YES! Just in time to round out my formations for apocalypse. I love the new tank and i hope there is yet another new tank with a heavy gravity cannon. Those grav weapons are sick and i imagine will be a hot item for bits dealers. The new HQs look like shiny new targets for me to chew on. I love it.

How about this: replace the head with a transparent dome (just say it's the same super-tough glass they use on starship bridges if anyone nitpicks) containing a brain floating in fluid and covered in plugs and wires, and call them combat servitors.

**prowla**

Lord Scythican wrote:

When using logistics like that, yeah I agree. What I don't like is that the side toes are so damn close, the guys have probably a few inches of clearance in between their toes on their scale. The toes are necessary yes, but they would make walking significantly harder.

What's the problem is that any stuff on the inside of the legs hampers any regular movement. Tape a pair of coke cans on the insides of your ankles and try walking fast - that's how much width power armor boots take, if not more, and it already makes it easy to bang the legs together. Add MegaBoots and sprinkle with a few inch extra toes on the inside (say, total of three coke cans on each inside ankle), you're gonna fall over more often than an Ork Mega-Warboss on a Warbike - unless you want to walk around like every moment is high noon

**Lord Scythican**

prowla wrote:
Lord Scythican wrote:

When using logistics like that, yeah I agree. What I don't like is that the side toes are so damn close, the guys have probably a few inches of clearance in between their toes on their scale. The toes are necessary yes, but they would make walking significantly harder.

What's the problem is that any stuff on the inside of the legs hampers any regular movement. Tape a pair of coke cans on the insides of your ankles and try walking fast - that's how much width power armor boots take, if not more, and it already makes it easy to bang the legs together. Add MegaBoots sprinkle with a few inch toes on the inside (say, total of three coke cans on each inside ankle), you're gonna fall over more often than an Ork Mega-Warboss on a Warbike - unless you want to walk around like every moment is high noon

Exactly my point! I think what has happened to this guy, is he is built too damn heavy for a frame like that.

**Asherian Command**

Alfndrate wrote:
6^ wrote:
Yep, Sicarius is captain of 2nd.

Yes I know, my UM is all second company, I'm still trying to figure out what part of this image means he's 3rd company, the only red trim I see is the leather in the front...

hotsauceman1 wrote:

Anyone notice the Storm Raven in the Background?

**thenoobbomb**

There's red trim on the Captain's left shoulder pad.

**Yodhrin**

OK, so, so far in order to take the Centurions past "HBLURK, I just sicked up in my mouth a little bit" to "passable", you'd have to; trim down the feet, remove the crotch/thigh plates, get rid of the Power Mittens and integrate the drills(for Assault) into the fists or use a Terminator heavy weapon-style mounting(for the Devs), then remove the Fragtits and either integrate them into the existing shoulderpads or, ideally, new shoulderpads entirely. And replace the head. And possibly modify the waist to account for the other changes.

That's a pretty hefty amount of effort for such an expensive kit.

**ductvader**

We knew the Storm Raven was coming with it's "shoots thunderhammer missiles" profile

**warboss**

Lord Scythican wrote:
Ok I cut the inner and outer toes off the left one. Better or worse?

I think it looks better without the side toes but that only improves the look of the lower extremities. These models fall into the space guppy category of "I need to change too many things to make the model look acceptable". I did it with the Storm Raven and turned mine into a mini-Thunderhawk but these models (and the guppy) require too much to get just a little visual appeal.

**fishy bob**

The Chaplain looks like a Night Lord.

He makes a pretty good Night Lord too.

**prowla**

Yodhrin wrote:
OK, so, so far in order to take the Centurions past "HBLURK, I just sicked up in my mouth a little bit" to "passable", you'd have to; trim down the feet, remove the crotch/thigh plates, get rid of the Power Mittens and integrate the drills(for Assault) into the fists or use a Terminator heavy weapon-style mounting(for the Devs), then remove the Fragtits and either integrate them into the existing shoulderpads or, ideally, new shoulderpads entirely. And replace the head. And possibly modify the waist to account for the other changes.

That's a pretty hefty amount of effort for such an expensive kit.

+1. People always say "it sucks but there's conversion/mod potential..", but seem to forget the price tag it comes with. Such was the case with, for example, the CSM Forgefiend kit. If I pay $60 for a monster kit from a company that "makes the best miniatures in the world", I'd expect it to look sweet as it is - not to be a half-finished pile of parts that needs ton of conversion work to make it look good.

I think what makes it even more annoying is that GW actually has good models out there - you know there's people in the company that can design great stuff, but just happens that the models for your army were designed based on a concept by someone's kid who's around 7 years old..

**Bull0**

Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

**Asherian Command**

Bull0 wrote:
Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

It was in the 4th codex you could purchase a familiar that help with the powers of the Librarian. Problem was. No one knew what one looked like.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Anyone notice the Storm Raven in the Background?

Marines have been able to take these for a couple of months now.

**Zognob Gorgoff**

Not a fan of the fat little cyber cherub, it would be better with out the stupid sword and shield, belly percing and clean lines.

**ClockworkZion**

Asherian Command wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

It was in the 4th codex you could purchase a familiar that help with the powers of the Librarian. Problem was. No one knew what one looked like.

Apparently the correct answer is "like a fat cyborg baby with wings".

**d-usa**

I'm still surprised that a random store got their hands on the new releases already, and that some random guy was already able to post the pictures.

And the leaked White Dwarf pictures are pretty good quality as well.

Is GW doing "viral marketing" now?

**DaHedd**

Those Centurions are some of the worst models Gw has ever done. I see where the idea for them comes from though. Pre space hulk (early 90s I seem to remember) they did a hunch back Terminator that looked similar, he even had shoulder mounted recesses similar to guns, if I wasn't on my phone id try to find a pic. Thank fully I have a White Scars esk force so I wont use them.

The arti piece on the Rhino however will fit wonderfully into my Guard working as a modern looking Griffon or Bombard depending on the size of it.

**Davylove21**

It would make sense if GW did leak them - I'd leak my worst stuff first and then progress to nerdgasm inducing plastic kits with plenty of bits etc.

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

It really would be the final nail in the coffin for Centurions if they got the Mutilator treatment rules-wise.

**ductvader**

d-usa wrote:
I'm still surprised that a random store got their hands on the new releases already, and that some random guy was already able to post the pictures.

And the leaked White Dwarf pictures are pretty good quality as well.

Is GW doing "viral marketing" now?

What do you mean now?

You think its a coincidence that every unit, every secret GW has ever had is released about a month before they release the product?

**whigwam**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
Find myself wondering if that horrible cherub on the Librarian is some kind of spell familiar thing... but don't remember reading anything to that end. Just surprises me that such an ostentatious detail doesn't have some kind of powerful rules to motivate the sale / obsolete the old librarians.

It was in the 4th codex you could purchase a familiar that help with the powers of the Librarian. Problem was. No one knew what one looked like.

Apparently the correct answer is "like a fat cyborg baby with wings".

Haven't you guys seen 40k artwork before? At least half of the Imperium's population consists of winged cyborg babies and jet-propelled skulls. But seriously, cherubim-as-psychic-familiars goes back (at least) to the 3rd Ed. Daemonhunters book. There's even one on the cover.

**ductvader**

For anyone that's missed it...I compiled the leaked images in one place.

http://www.battlebarn.com/ultramarines-get-all-the-best-toys-for-now-t1961.html

I wil give kudos to anyone that finds me a sternguard pic...many kudos...like...four kudos.

**Grey Templar**

Any stat leaks on the Centurions?

While they look odd, I also am strangely drawn to them.

Anyway, my guess statwise is something like T5, 2+ armor, 4+ invuln(iron halo), and can fire 2 ranged weapons. They look like they come with 2 powerfists as well(devvies and assault versions)

**Jackmojo**

ductvader wrote:
For anyone that's missed it...I compiled the leaked images in one place.

http://www.battlebarn.com/ultramarines-get-all-the-best-toys-for-now-t1961.html

I wil give kudos to anyone that finds me a sternguard pic...many kudos...like...four kudos.

You should remove the AoBR captain picture you have in it, he's not new, just posted to compare with the new captain.

**ductvader**

Ah sorry...thanks for the info though!

I was just trigger happy on the posting

**spamthulhu**

Lets face it. You will all buy the termie tubbies if the rules are solid and they work really well. Tactics will usually win out over aesthetics. I myself think they are a bit overly bulky but they don't look horrible. It was a chance to make something fantastic looking but they missed.

**Dentry**

Did anyone else immediately make the following connection?

**ductvader**

spamthulhu wrote:
Lets face it. You will all buy the termie tubbies if the rules are solid and they work really well. Tactics will usually win out over aesthetics. I myself think they are a bit overly bulky but they don't look horrible. It was a chance to make something fantastic looking but they missed.

Just look a Chaos Fiends and Corndogs...widely used...and butt ugly.

**spamthulhu**

I hate captains with swords. They just don't hit hard enough and a captain with a weapon that can't kill a larger creature is pointless.

Not that I actually run a captain very often.

**Grey Templar**

Dentry wrote:
Did anyone else immediately make the following connection?

Yeah, I thought it was actually a conversion at first.