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 Lord Scythican wrote:

Okay what I don't get is that supposedly a marine is inside of this thing right? I just see him being very comfortable....








Also when are they going to stop using this BS line of "we have been using them for 5,000 years"? I know the whole in the future there is only war and they are not really making anything new anymore. That was OK when a unit here or there was coming out, but it has gotten a little old. How about they just drop it and say that they are finally making some new crap like the Tau do?

I think they're supposed to be like this, only instead the human is already wearing power armor (with another power armor welded on top). At least on the arms side. The legs are somehow... suspended in midair I would imagine. Which is kinda silly.

So the marine fits into the power armor in an unrealistic manner. And then you put the power armor suit into another power armor suit in the same sort of unrealistic manner.

Or you just look at it as putting galoshes on over terminator boots.

New tech is a great way to bring back Mentor Legion. Doooooooooooo iiiiittttttttt.

The whole "stepping into a suit" thing is not that unrealistic:

On second thought, it actually looks more like a Marauder from SC2.



Despite the bulky appearance of the Marauder (with matching oversived weapons!), one key thing that differentiates it from the Centurion is that it looks like it could actually move its heavy frame about, especially how the legs were designed. Plus it was already addressed on how the head was designed: the Centurion will always look a bit weird at first because the head is too small (or at least not "proportional" to PA marines), especially if you don't know that it's supposed to be an exoskeleton thing.

 d-usa wrote:
The whole "stepping into a suit" thing is not that unrealistic:

Except that comparing it to the centurion, the guy's head would GO GO GADGET! up to the top of the frames shoulders like a giraffe.

edit: Either way, marines don't exactly have a human type frame/proportions despite to fit into the existing power armor that has been around since RT. From the fluff, I find the steroid hulk super freak proportions to be believeable for a space marine compared to a "tall human" but the go-go-gadget neck necessary for the centurion breaks that particular camel's back for me.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean seriously, if we were reading about this release, and it consisted of new plastic boxes for Sternguard, Vanguard, and Tacticals, plus three new plastic characters, and a new vehicle dual-kit, would you honestly be thinking to yourself "man, this release is boring, it totally needs some completely new and over the top plastic unit"?

Yes, and how many players would say "Cool new models, but I already have all the Sternguard, Vanguard, Tactical Marines, and HQ I could need, so I'll just buy the book and be good for a few more years."

Quite a few, no doubt, which is probably why you cut off the rest of my post which addresses your non-point.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Don't.

In other words, earn less money.

I don't see any difference between amending the game's background to accommodate new units and introducing them as a new invention (which would be hard considering the 40k timeline is frozen). They weren't there yesterday. They're here today. Complaining about it seem counter productive.

You might argue about it being a valuable and/or enriching addition I guess...

Seriously, what is it about White Knights that makes them chronically incapable of quoting and responding to a whole post and its point, rather than just clipping out the one word or sentence that allows them to be flippantly dismissive?

 heartserenade wrote:


Despite the bulky appearance of the Marauder (with matching oversived weapons!), one key thing that differentiates it from the Centurion is that it looks like it could actually move its heavy frame about, especially how the legs were designed. Plus it was already addressed on how the head was designed: the Centurion will always look a bit weird at first because the head is too small (or at least not "proportional" to PA marines), especially if you don't know that it's supposed to be an exoskeleton thing.

Well, I assume the Centurion itself has no head at all. It is simply the helmet (or helmet-less head) of the Power-armoured marine inside poking through.

I'm pretty sure everyone knew something over the top was coming to SM, every other new release got something crazy, sometimes more then one something. People just aren't impressed by what it turned out to be for SM. So maybe the centurion is a dud, so what? Every single model does not have to be the best thing ever, that's exaclty what causes codex creep. If it hadn't been way over the top then people would be complaning that SM didn't get anything like Eldar or Tau got.

I'm perfectly fine with 'they've always been there.' Should every new unit and wargear since Rogue Trader be an invention or discovery of late 41st millennium? It would create a silly few decade technology boom after ten millennia of stagnation, not to mention that you couldn't use half of your models in any historical scenario. In few years everyone has used to Centurions always being around an we'll have this exact same discussion about new Space Marine Warbuggys or somesuch.

While I think Centurions are hideous, and the rational part of my brain tells me to just ignore them, converter in me just can't let them go. They are so horrible, it will be an awesome challenge to make them look good! The rumours about the marine inside being visible from the back are interesting; I wonder how much armour you could strip and make the structures more visible. Also, I notice that none of the rumours thus far have actually mentioned them having powerfists. I hope they don't have them, as getting rid of those goofy orky mittens and just sticking the guns straight to arms would be a tremendous improvement.

 Crimson wrote:
While I think Centurions are hideous, and the rational part of my brain tells me to just ignore them, converter in me just can't let them go. They are so horrible, it will be an awesome challenge to make them look good!

The converter in me took a serious blow when GW decided to declare war against the bits sellers but YMMV. Every weapon, little tech bit, and armor plate just got that much more valuable now that I can't regularly buy just that bit without paying for the whole kit.

 Kirasu wrote:
Bigger question is.. why would you want to assault in this edition period? You'll have to run over a fallen tree stump, fail your charge and get shot.

Because contrary to popular internet opinion Assault, and assault heavy armies, are actually good in 6th. Just ask Daemon players

 Zweischneid wrote:

Well, I assume the Centurion itself has no head at all. It is simply the helmet (or helmet-less head) of the Power-armoured marine inside poking through.

Without knowing that it's an exoskeleton one will assume that that marine either has a really small head, or the marine really let himself go after his divorce.

My guess why a lot of people are against it is that because it "breaks" the established heroic proportions of marines ("breaks" in quotation marks because it technically doesn't due to the fact that it's armor over armor, but see my first statement).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess that means "50 is the new Oval!". Now everyone will get a 50mm release.

It will be oval bases AND 50mm infantry, with each new box 80+ US$.
Introducing 50mm bases is a small effort when asking customers to pay 40US$ per sprue, double the price than a year ago.

 Yodhrin wrote:
White Knights

Why is it when anybody tries to say anything positive about Games Workshop at all, people jump all over them and label them 'White Knights'?

 Lansirill wrote:
Why is it when anybody tries to say anything positive about Games Workshop at all, people jump all over them and label them 'White Knights'?

Because that's what haters do

This is going to be a long post if it continues like this until september.

How do we feel about this flying baby on the Librarian? I think I am about to grab the current finecast one as I was waiting to see what this new one would look like, and for twice the price I am not impressed!

LegioX217 wrote:
How do we feel about this flying baby on the Librarian? I think I am about to grab the current finecast one as I was waiting to see what this new one would look like, and for twice the price I am not impressed!

Typical 40K. I like it.

The cherub does fit the 40K aesthetic very well. I’m curious to see if it just there for flavor or if it does something for the Librarian ala Chaos familiars.

 Crimson wrote:
While I think Centurions are hideous, and the rational part of my brain tells me to just ignore them, converter in me just can't let them go. They are so horrible, it will be an awesome challenge to make them look good! The rumours about the marine inside being visible from the back are interesting; I wonder how much armour you could strip and make the structures more visible. Also, I notice that none of the rumours thus far have actually mentioned them having powerfists. I hope they don't have them, as getting rid of those goofy orky mittens and just sticking the guns straight to arms would be a tremendous improvement.

I'm a painter and converter by nature myself, but I swear that is the first time I EVER heard anyone hope a MEQ or TEQ lacked AP2 weaponry because they thought it would LOOK better.

Also, are you talking about removing the arms completely and just attaching the guns to the bottom of the shoulders, or removing the hands and attaching the guns to the wrists? Because the former sounds good - the latter ridiculous.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
The cherub does fit the 40K aesthetic very well. I’m curious to see if it just there for flavor or if it does something for the Librarian ala Chaos familiars.

That'd be really cool.

So we finally have it.
Even the centurion rules are as crappy as their looks.

What...is...the...point of this unit?

 Pyriel- wrote:
So we finally have it.
Even the centurion rules are as crappy as their looks.

What...is...the...point with this unit?

Money, and attracting haters to the banmagnet.

rabid stoat wrote:

I'm a painter and converter by nature myself, but I swear that is the first time I EVER heard anyone hope a MEQ or TEQ lacked AP2 weaponry because they thought it would LOOK better.

My first consideration in this game is the look of the models.

Also, are you talking about removing the arms completely and just attaching the guns to the bottom of the shoulders, or removing the hands and attaching the guns to the wrists? Because the former sounds good - the latter ridiculous.

I was kinda thinking constructing some sort Contemptor-style gun/arm arrangement.

Has anyone else noticed the captain model is a resculpted assault on black reach captain? compare the two, they're in the same pose, with the same details with minor changes similar to the old megaforce resculpt models.

blood lance wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the captain model is a resculpted assault on black reach captain? compare the two, they're in the same pose, with the same details with minor changes similar to the old megaforce resculpt models.

It's just one if the side effects of digital sculpting.

If you look across the various armies you will find that there are certain models that are present across the whole range.

It's a basic "chose base pose, add weapons, add decorations" process.

I really don't like the cherub. Should be easy enough to replace the ugly little bastard with a winged servo skull though.

Double post. Interesting point about the 3d work.

The Centurions look stiff and stupid. I like some of the looks of the rest of the stuff. Hopefully they do something to balance As they shall know no fear.

Yeah right.