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No it was not you, the Grimdarkiverse does not revolve around you.

 VoidAngel wrote:


And yes, to answer the question - one of the best explanations for new stuff is "rediscovered STC" - because GW itself keeps insisting the the Imperium does not innovate.

They don't insist anything of the sort. The AdMech invents new stuff all the time, they just frown on anything not based on STC technology.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
No it was not you, the Grimdarkiverse does not revolve around you.

Heresy!!!!!!

As noted, please disregard.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:


And yes, to answer the question - one of the best explanations for new stuff is "rediscovered STC" - because GW itself keeps insisting the the Imperium does not innovate.

They don't insist anything of the sort. The AdMech invents new stuff all the time, they just frown on anything not based on STC technology.

And the Adeptus Mechanicus are considered borderline what, by the whom? (Hint: first one starts with an 'H', and the second starts with a great, big 'I').

Innovation is NOT encouraged, and often punished. Now go rub some more ungents on your blessed mouse balls and recite the Litany Against the Azure Opticon of Mortifaction.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
There was a lot of negtivity about the Dreadknight. However that was never a possibility of being added to the SM codex. Just like they won't get rune priests or sanguinary guard. Unless they decide to roll every chapter into one huge tome of a codex.

On the same vein, if the combat tactics are varied enough this may be a nice outlet for ailing BA players (which is a misnomer, one just kicked my butt last night) to play under a Raven Guard list or something similar so that way they wont feel so left out this edition, or at least if they want to go assault crazy across the board. Which makes me wonder, does anyone thing Raven Guard will get assault marines as troops, white scars get bikes, etc?

 VoidAngel wrote:

Imperial Deceit wrote:
No it was not you, the Grimdarkiverse does not revolve around you.

Heresy!!!!!!

As noted, please disregard.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:


And yes, to answer the question - one of the best explanations for new stuff is "rediscovered STC" - because GW itself keeps insisting the the Imperium does not innovate.

They don't insist anything of the sort. The AdMech invents new stuff all the time, they just frown on anything not based on STC technology.

And the Adeptus Mechanicus are considered borderline what, by the whom? (Hint: first one starts with an 'H', and the second starts with a great, big 'I').

Innovation is NOT encouraged, and often punished. Now go rub some more ungents on your blessed mouse balls and recite the Litany Against the Azure Opticon of Mortifaction.

Innovation OUTSIDE STC TEMPLATES is not encouraged. The Land Raider Crusader was a new invention but based on STC tech, so it was OK, for example.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Of the three characters, I am very unsure about the chaplin

Just for the record:
Chaplain:


Chaplin:

"Innovation OUTSIDE STC TEMPLATES is not encouraged. The Land Raider Crusader was a new invention but based on STC tech, so it was OK, for example."

I'm not sure what the argument is about. Do these Centurions appear to have descended from some STC?

 Kroothawk wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Of the three characters, I am very unsure about the chaplin

Just for the record:
Chaplain:


Chaplin:

They both have sticks to hit you with, and funny hats, does that count?

And they both wear black...

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yup. As I thought. "They've totally always been there, just off camera! Honest!".

And your solution to introducing new units would be?

Yeah, I'm not really sure what the big commotion is about. New units get introduced EVERY edition, and there are always a handful that get offended by it. People will complain that the game has become stagnant but then complain when new units get introduced.

GW has basically chosen to expand the fluff instead of advancing it.

YES! Brother Chaplin of the Silver Screens Chapter, Master of the Voiceless.

Also we BA players are not "ailing" We just became way less entry-level friendly, and can't actually run a fluffy army with any success. However my Armoured Company BA does just fine. I will definitaly be playing some red marines in the future though, atleast until BA get some lovin' (2015 maybe?)

Maybe the Centurions just really huge and the Marine doesn't have to stretch to every part?

What if the Centurions are actually piloted by midget marines?

 VoidAngel wrote:
"Innovation OUTSIDE STC TEMPLATES is not encouraged. The Land Raider Crusader was a new invention but based on STC tech, so it was OK, for example."

I'm not sure what the argument is about. Do these Centurions appear to have descended from some STC?

For all we know they could've come from some repurpoused mining technology, just as the Rhino was originally a mining transport.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
What if the Centurions are actually piloted by midget marines?

Return of the Squats?


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 VoidAngel wrote:
"Innovation OUTSIDE STC TEMPLATES is not encouraged. The Land Raider Crusader was a new invention but based on STC tech, so it was OK, for example."

I'm not sure what the argument is about. Do these Centurions appear to have descended from some STC?

For all we know they could've come from some repurpoused mining technology, just as the Rhino was originally a mining transport.

And how Terminator Armor was actually derived from suits used to work inside Plasma Reactors.

The Centurion is just a proving ground for squats, if the fluff goes over well then bam, Codex: Squats in 2015.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
What if the Centurions are actually piloted by midget marines?

The same ones who ride in the front cupola on Darkshrouds?

 Brother SRM wrote:

Imperial Deceit wrote:
What if the Centurions are actually piloted by midget marines?

The same ones who ride in the front cupola on Darkshrouds?

See? It's all coming together. I think 40k has gotten ridiculous enough for scouts.

40k has always been ridiculous enough for Squats. If it wasn't, I wouldn't love it so much.

The thing I think a lot of people overlook is that the 40k background is a setting, not an ongoing story. Sometimes the 'current' point advances slightly, and sometimes the focus moves back a little.

But what this means for new units is that they have to be inserted somewhere. Without an advancing story line, anything you want to add has to be retrospectively inserted into existing background.

Each new codex release is not an advance in the story line. It is a revision of the previous version. And in that context, it is perfectly acceptable for a new unit to have 'always' been there.

 insaniak wrote:
The thing I think a lot of people overlook is that the 40k background is a setting, not an ongoing story. Sometimes the 'current' point advances slightly, and sometimes the focus moves back a little.

But what this means for new units is that they have to be inserted somewhere. Without an advancing story line, anything you want to add has to be retrospectively inserted into existing background.

Each new codex release is not an advance in the story line. It is a revision of the previous version. And in that context, it is perfectly acceptable for a new unit to have 'always' been there.

No, it's perfectly acceptable for well-sculpted units with good rules to have always been there.

If we seem biased against fugly models with terrible rules (terrible in the sense of balance or utility, not uber-Wardesque-killiness) - we are. Give me something that LOOKS like it could have always been there (Contemptor). Give me something that was referenced on page 67 of the Second Edition rulebook, once. "What, those heretical little monkeys on Mars finally adapted the Hrud fusil into a blessed instrument of the Emprah's divine will? I'll take 10,000."

Something like that. Not, "Hey - the studio vomited again - pay up!"

Animus wrote:Maybe the Centurions just really huge and the Marine doesn't have to stretch to every part?

Your scheme is almost perfect mate... considering the bare heads instead the helmet (that being different in shape could be bigger than usual you show what i Always thought about centurions... they are big enough for the marine to fit with chest and arms inside the chest of the suit and that the feet of the marine reach just the knee of the centurion suit... in this case both arms and lower legs are totally mechanic...

Brother SRM wrote:

Imperial Deceit wrote:
What if the Centurions are actually piloted by midget marines?

The same ones who ride in the front cupola on Darkshrouds?

Sorry to disapoint you but the marine inside the pulpit of the DS is not standing but he's seating so he can fit in the pulpit without problems... I am a DA player and i own 2 of these pattern of LS...

master sheol wrote:

Your scheme is almost perfect mate... considering the bare heads instead the helmet (that being different in shape could be bigger than usual you show what i Always thought about centurions... they are big enough for the marine to fit with chest and arms inside the chest of the suit and that the feet of the marine reach just the knee of the centurion suit... in this case both arms and lower legs are totally mechanic...

And what happens to the marine's legs when the centurion tries to walk? Knees don't bent forwards, you know. Also, scaling of that pic is off; they're not that big.

 VoidAngel wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
The thing I think a lot of people overlook is that the 40k background is a setting, not an ongoing story. Sometimes the 'current' point advances slightly, and sometimes the focus moves back a little.

But what this means for new units is that they have to be inserted somewhere. Without an advancing story line, anything you want to add has to be retrospectively inserted into existing background.

Each new codex release is not an advance in the story line. It is a revision of the previous version. And in that context, it is perfectly acceptable for a new unit to have 'always' been there.

No, it's perfectly acceptable for well-sculpted units with good rules to have always been there.

If we seem biased against fugly models with terrible rules (terrible in the sense of balance or utility, not uber-Wardesque-killiness) - we are. Give me something that LOOKS like it could have always been there (Contemptor). Give me something that was referenced on page 67 of the Second Edition rulebook, once. "What, those heretical little monkeys on Mars finally adapted the Hrud fusil into a blessed instrument of the Emprah's divine will? I'll take 10,000."

Something like that. Not, "Hey - the studio vomited again - pay up!"

Agreed, a thousand times agreed - FW seems to be getting it right - looking at the redcent work on HH and the Adeptus Mechanicus - as noted the Contemptor is new - but could have always been there - the Centurions - just lazy, poor and horrible.............

 Crimson wrote:

master sheol wrote:

Your scheme is almost perfect mate... considering the bare heads instead the helmet (that being different in shape could be bigger than usual you show what i Always thought about centurions... they are big enough for the marine to fit with chest and arms inside the chest of the suit and that the feet of the marine reach just the knee of the centurion suit... in this case both arms and lower legs are totally mechanic...

And what happens to the marine's legs when the centurion tries to walk? Knees don't bent forwards, you know. Also, scaling of that pic is off; they're not that big.

We must see the 360° or the centurion... as reported the rear of the suit is partially open and we can see where the marine sits...
And about size... i think the centurion is only slighlty smaller than a regular dread...

 VoidAngel wrote:

No, it's perfectly acceptable for well-sculpted units with good rules to have always been there.

If we seem biased against fugly models with terrible rules (terrible in the sense of balance or utility, not uber-Wardesque-killiness) - we are. Give me something that LOOKS like it could have always been there (Contemptor). Give me something that was referenced on page 67 of the Second Edition rulebook, once. "What, those heretical little monkeys on Mars finally adapted the Hrud fusil into a blessed instrument of the Emprah's divine will? I'll take 10,000."

Something like that. Not, "Hey - the studio vomited again - pay up!"

What a model looks liKe, and how that unit fits into the background are two completely separate issues.

Found these on /tg/ not sure if they made it here

So, did Black Templars get rolled into C:SM with the expectation that they will get a supplement?

 cyphertheory wrote:
Found these on /tg/ not sure if they made it here

No, they didn't. Thanks for sharing

Looks like one of them has that new grav gun.

another that just popped up