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 Skriker wrote:


Really hate the concept in war games of female minis showing off all their female assets as opposed to being set up like a real military force. Women in real world militaries don't go into combat situations (where allowed) with their shirt tied up under their chest showing off their stomachs and with the buttons undone to show off their breasts and wearing thongs and high heeled shoes. They go into combat in combat gear just like everyone else and that is what I want to see in miniatures.

Skriker

Yeah, cause the rest of 40K is so rooted in military reality...

To be fair, he did say wargaming in general, where oversexualisation has become an established industry standard. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with nudity where it fits (for example Conan'esque barbarian themes), but "professional looking" female troops are worryingly hard to find in this hobby.

And as for 40k, it does have its silly places, but it just as much has areas rooted in practicality, and the SoB line troops occupy one such niche as far as their equipment is concerned. As do IG Storm Troopers, or the Cadians.

Imagine the uproar if Space Marines would suddenly have belly-free armour to show off their six-packs!

There already are Space Marines with belly-free armor to show off their six-packs.

They're called Catachans.

No one ever complains about Catachans. No one ever calls them sexist, despite the fact that their outfits are probably the most dysfunctional of all the Imperium line-ups.

That's called a homage, though. Nobody ever complains about the Escher gang, either, or the aforementioned Xenan Guard regiments.

Coincidentally, this happens to be a good example for the "nudity has its place where it fits to the background" bit I mentioned above.

And for the record, I like the current Repentia design as well, because the same line of thinking applies there.

Bye bye Sisters. I feel sorry for their fanbase. Id like to see everybody get what they want, however GW doesnt share my views.

I'll Telll you the straight and honest truth.....

Sob look terrible, play terrible, don't even have a real dex, and are a cross between IG and sm. I would be fine if I never saw them again.

ninjafiredragon wrote:
I'll Telll you the straight and honest truth.....

Sob look terrible, play terrible, don't even have a real dex, and are a cross between IG and sm. I would be fine if I never saw them again.

All but one of these is very much your opinion.

Ive never been a fan but I respect those of us who are. I hope you guys have your day, but honestly the way things are going I really doubt it.

 Psienesis wrote:
That army is already being planned, it's from Raging Heroes, and is going to follow the TGG model line. IIRC, the name of this army-line will be "Iron Empire" or something to that effect.

Considering how long it took them to get the kickstarter off the ground I'm not exactly waiting with baited breath... Did anyone else notice they haven't touched their Facebook page nor even their own site a fraction of what they did when promoting KS... We don't even an e any idea when they'll be filling KS orders nevertheless selling to the rest of us..
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ninjafiredragon wrote:
I'll Telll you the straight and honest truth.....

Sob look terrible, play terrible, don't even have a real dex, and are a cross between IG and sm. I would be fine if I never saw them again.

Useless troll much?

That there is the problem, mac. That's what GW needs to change. It's not necessarily about pleasing every fan, but more of a consistency. Clearly there are some diehard SoB fans here and in other forums, and I'm sure seeing the army get a whole makeover is refreshing, and I say this as a hobbiest first, because seeing something different is always nice.
Though I respect your opinion completely, and I'm not looking for an argument.

'Nother thing plastics would do, give them a presence in the damn stores again. I'm tired of having to order my Sisters in-store and waiting until Thursday to pick them up, dammit.

Strayan wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
That army is already being planned, it's from Raging Heroes, and is going to follow the TGG model line. IIRC, the name of this army-line will be "Iron Empire" or something to that effect.

Considering how long it took them to get the kickstarter off the ground I'm not exactly waiting with baited breath... Did anyone else notice they haven't touched their Facebook page nor even their own site a fraction of what they did when promoting KS... We don't even an e any idea when they'll be filling KS orders nevertheless selling to the rest of us..
Rant over!


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ninjafiredragon wrote:
I'll Telll you the straight and honest truth.....

Sob look terrible, play terrible, don't even have a real dex, and are a cross between IG and sm. I would be fine if I never saw them again.

Useless troll much?

Nah... Just didnt want to lie.

ninjafiredragon wrote:
I'll Telll you the straight and honest truth.....

Sob look terrible, play terrible, don't even have a real dex, and are a cross between IG and sm. I would be fine if I never saw them again.

Incredibly useful and interesting addition to the discussion.

ninjafiredragon wrote:

Strayan wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
That army is already being planned, it's from Raging Heroes, and is going to follow the TGG model line. IIRC, the name of this army-line will be "Iron Empire" or something to that effect.

Considering how long it took them to get the kickstarter off the ground I'm not exactly waiting with baited breath... Did anyone else notice they haven't touched their Facebook page nor even their own site a fraction of what they did when promoting KS... We don't even an e any idea when they'll be filling KS orders nevertheless selling to the rest of us..
Rant over!


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ninjafiredragon wrote:
I'll Telll you the straight and honest truth.....

Sob look terrible, play terrible, don't even have a real dex, and are a cross between IG and sm. I would be fine if I never saw them again.

Useless troll much?

Nah... Just didnt want to lie.

By adding a completely useless opinion and presenting it as fact.

You must be so proud of yourself.

Troike wrote:'Nother thing plastics would do, give them a presence in the damn stores again. I'm tired of having to order my Sisters in-store and waiting until Thursday to pick them up, dammit.

That's another weird GW business decision rather than a fault of them being metal, though. I remember a time when they were still sold in boxes of 10 - and available in local stores!

I have no idea why they broke up the boxes. Probably because selling them individually or in packs of 3 is more expensive.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Bye bye Sisters. I feel sorry for their fanbase. Id like to see everybody get what they want, however GW doesnt share my views.

Unfortunately I must agree with you. I don't actually believe we'll ever get a new codex with new figures. GW just doesn't care and they're too busy making Space Marines.

And for the troll who thinks his opinions are facts: Sisters don't play terrible. They're actually not bad. Not great, but certainly not bad. I think the models look great, why I bought them in the first place. And the codex...you're right there. we don't have a proper, legally obtainable codex because GW hates us.

If they weren't going to make us new figures, then why were there reports from a highly reliable source of them trying to make new SoB models?

Those rumors (re: new SoB figs) are... five years old now?

I mean, I, too, would love to see a new SoB line. Shoot, I replaced my old C;WH the last time I was at Powell's in Portland purely out of nostalgia.

I just think it's one of those armies that keeps getting shuffled around in the deck of "Codices to update" as some other army that interests the studio to a greater degree pops up, time and time again.

While it is likely the army that keeps getting shuffled back, the new, fast-paced release schedule will likely address that.

The fact that the SoB line has fallen way behind GW's evolving manufacturing model is not evidence that GW plans on abandoning them. There are a lot of holes in the lines right now. And who can be surprised that GW would rather focus on MEQ?

My own opinion is SoB were probably slated for an overhaul along with DE and Necrons in the final years of 5E. If the rumors are to be believed, this was held up because of difficulties with nailing the sculpts for plastic troops.

Looking at what GW's doing now, I don't think we'll see a SoB release soon. The recent releases haven't entailed new troop sculpts -- they're mostly adding to lines these days. Once we see SM, Ork, and IG hardcovers, then we can start thinking about a SoB release again.

Until then, there's no point moaning.

Is there another army still stuck in metal-only figures? That doesn't have basic troops in at least five-fig boxes?

Of all the armies that have been "back burnered", I think SoB is, far and away, the most-neglected of their still-viable product lines.

If I remember, I think GW stated that they weren't going to Squat another army. What armies were currently out are going to stay, nothing new added and nothing removed.

This being said, GW isn't going to update them for a while. I don't think their gonna go off the market, but I don't think their gonna get anything new. I would love to see every army get equal treatment, but we all know GW doesn't work that way.

"Squatting" an army means that there is a statement from the studio that explains what happened to them in-universe. In-universe, the Squats are all dead, their worlds destroyed by Tyranids, and that's it, they're dead, Jim. ALL DEAD.

... GW doesn't need to do that with an army it wants to stop working on, they just simply put no effort towards supporting it. No new models, no Codex update, vanishes out of mentions in other army Codices, etc.

We, the fans of the SoB faction, would like to remind GW that, while this army exists, its model line is woefully out-of-date, comparatively over-priced, hard to come by, and its current Codex is impossible to get through legal means.

GW is kind of sending contradictory signals here. The miniatures I can (sort of) understand - they still work, they look cool, they are "just" a bit expensive. Nothing GW needs to care about. On the other hand, the Codex not being available as a PDF on their website is a massive oversight I just can't explain with anything other than a ton of red tape and an utter lack of /care within the company.

The weird thing is that they wouldn't have needed to release even the 5E dex, not to mention the SoB articles with special missions, painting guides and Apoc formations spread over several issues of White Dwarf following the Codex release. All of this is an investment of manpower that shouldn't be there if the company really just wanted to ignore them away.

The massive amount of rumours doesn't help to get an idea of what is truly going on, same for interviews with GW people who have been saying the same thing for several years now.

washout77 wrote:If I remember, I think GW stated that they weren't going to Squat another army

Still waiting for anyone that can actually name the source of this.

 Lynata wrote:
Still waiting for anyone that can actually name the source of this.

It's more or less what Jervis says here.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/enter-citadel-sisters-of-battleblack.html

Every army is getting worked on and will be updated in time.

Could be that people are referencing a similar quote.

Troike wrote:It's more or less what Jervis says here.

No, I'm really referring to that "never squat an army again" bit that gets thrown around as a supposed fact for as long as I've been on dakka. Everybody just repeats it, but I've never seen a quote.

It's not that I doubt GW retaining the SoB - I just don't think they would ever make such a clear-cut statement/promise about the company's future.
As such, my request is also not really relevant to the topic at hand, but rather a bit of curiosity at what I deem yet another urban rumour that I keep hearing again and again, sorta along the lines of "everything is canon" or "Movie Marines = real SM" and other such popular assumptions.

 Lynata wrote:
No, I'm really referring to that "never squat an army again" bit that gets thrown around as a supposed fact for as long as I've been on dakka.

Right, what I was getting at is that it may have surfaced from a quote similar to that, but been twisted through multiple retellings and misremembrances into to what we see today.

Oh. Yeah, my guess would be something like that, too. Probably even something taken out of context from Jervis' post on the Fanatic forum - that is, at least to my knowledge, one of the few and simultaneously the longest statement someone from GW ever made about the removal of the Squats.

The squats might not be dead.Didnt some other race join the Tau that also happens to be short and mechanicalAlso:they can't be all dead.A few could have been on other planets even if their home world were,nom,nom,nommed.

Da krimson barun wrote:
The squats might not be dead.Didnt some other race join the Tau that also happens to be short and mechanicalAlso:they can't be all dead.A few could have been on other planets even if their home world were,nom,nom,nommed.

You're thinking of the Demiurg.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Demiurg#.UgVGpm3BzAw

And sure, a few Squats must have survived. Dan Abnett even has a Squat in one of his books.