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Did they? Not as interested in 40k as in WHFB as the impact is lower, but that'd be outstanding!

Warhammer 40'000 - Final standings - ETC 2013

# Team Match points Game points

1 Team Germany 10 / 604
2 Team Spain 10 / 551
3 Team Poland 9 / 536
4 Team Finland 8 / 506
5 Team Ireland 8 / 505
6 Team England 7 / 539
7 Team Sweden 7 / 521
8 Team Belarus 7 / 513
9 Team Russia 7 / 508
10 Team USA 7 / 492
11 Team Ukraine 7 / 474
12 Team Serbia 6 / 541
13 Team France 6 / 516
14 Team Denmark 6 / 499
15 Team Italy 6 / 490
16 Team Wales 6 / 484
17 Team Switzerland 6 / 479
18 Team Greece 6 / 474
19 Team Scotland 5 / 477
20 Team Latvia 5 / 455
21 Team Norway 5 / 431
22 Team Belgium 5 / 429
23 Team Czech Republic 4 / 458
24 Team Romania 4 / 447
25 Team Slovenia 4 / 408
26 Team Malta 4 / 375
27 Team Northern Ireland 3 / 412
28 Team Iceland 0 / 316

Holy crap, double victory for Team Germany. Outstanding job!

Congrats to Greg and team America for spending several thousand dollars each and having a decent showing. I hope Chester is really drunk now.

Curious to see the breakdown of how everyone did. Good job guys. It's better than last year.

What's up with Ireland 5th (a single game point behind 4th!) but Northern Ireland second to last!?

 RiTides wrote:
What's up with Ireland 5th (a single game point behind 4th!) but Northern Ireland second to last!?

I don't understand the question...they're two separate countries. Why wouldn't they finish in two separate positions?

 jy2 wrote:

As a matter of fact, I may give it a shot at one of the east coast events myself next year. Any suggestions....

I'll just go ahead and recommend BeakyCon in the Tampa area, or Crucible by Orlando.

 RiTides wrote:
What's up with Ireland 5th (a single game point behind 4th!) but Northern Ireland second to last!?

I know it's the Internet here but really?

Did the team USA actually do worse this year? Where did they finish last year?

They improved; last year I believe they finished 17th or 19th or so.

Guys, Ireland and Northern Ireland are next to one another on the same island, and thus one would assume the players might have a similar meta and skill level. One team did much better than the other.

It was a reasonable observation / question... not sure why it elicited that reaction

Anyway, once again congrats to Germany on sweeping both the 40k and fantasy team events, and to team USA for winning the singles event and for putting forward a better showing than last year!

Honorable mention to Spain for kicking butt this year, too . Now they not only have some of the best new miniatures sculptors, but apparently some of the best players, too!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Curious to see the breakdown of how everyone did. Good job guys. It's better than last year.

US took 3rd last year did they not? How is 10th better?

Edit: Nope they did far better this year Last year US came in 19th

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Curious to see the breakdown of how everyone did. Good job guys. It's better than last year.

US took 3rd last year did they not? How is 10th better?

10th Is better because USA did not take 3rd last year, that was 2 years ago. Last year, they were 19th, this year 10th

Hey great to see you guys can still check Dakka from over there Target . And great job!

It just seems like USA should do better seeing how big is the country and all the great players we have. Maybe there is a better way to go about selecting the team.

Target wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Curious to see the breakdown of how everyone did. Good job guys. It's better than last year.

US took 3rd last year did they not? How is 10th better?

10th Is better because USA did not take 3rd last year, that was 2 years ago. Last year, they were 19th, this year 10th

It's all good, scope my edit, 8 seconds before your post

 Dozer Blades wrote:
It just seems like USA should do better seeing how big is the country and all the great players we have. Maybe there is a better way to go about selecting the team.

Yes and No. Dont forget the Euros play these type of games all year round where the US has its own play style etc. Also keep in the mind the fact that flying to these countries is extremely expensive which not every gamer or even the best gamers can afford.

So if you add it up playing a style not used in the US and then factor in the money aspect it means the best of the best dont always get to go. Now our team is incredible and made up of some amazing talents but that is in the US meta of the game. If we played the Euro meta all year we would be placing on the regular I think. (our talent is that good). they really are 2 totally different ways of thinking and playing.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
It just seems like USA should do better seeing how big is the country and all the great players we have. Maybe there is a better way to go about selecting the team.

The American team is so good they get to play in an event called "European Team Championship".

I think the biggest issue with Americans competing in the ETC is convenience. There are certainly a lot of great 40k players here, but how many players are great and can afford/are willing to fly to Europe for a weekend of 40k? I imagine its a lot more expensive to fly overseas than it is to drive through a few (relatively) small countries.

Plus, I don't know what the method is of choosing members, but I doubt its available to every 40k player. The country is simply too massive to organize properly. I have, however, heard quite a few people talk about the eventual possibility in a few years of a North and South (or East and West) split in sending two USA teams.

There are open spots in majot GT's which qualify you the team. So win those and Bam!

 Grimwulfe wrote:
There are open spots in majot GT's which qualify you the team. So win those and Bam!

Well thats really the best way I can think of. But how often do the winners accept? Does it just go to second place and such afterwards?

The US team is perhaps the strongest it's ever been.

Nick won Adepticon Championships this year and Nova invitational. Brad won Adepticon Championships last year. Tony has his Nova wins. Andrew won DaBoyz last year, killidaelphia, and the ETC singles. Allan won ETC singles last year and WGC last year. Together we put up the winners of America's largest events for the past two years. The last minute CSM sub was unfortunate but unavoidable.

This team format is different than anything we play in America the closest being the ATC. When you take turns picking the pairings, even the best players will lose due to the "rock paper scissors" aspects of each army.

At the end of the day, it mostly boils down to four components to give yourselves a shot at medaling:

1- Quality Players
2- List Construction
3- Proper Pairings
4- Practice

All four are required to excel in the team format.

 hyv3mynd wrote:
The US team is perhaps the strongest it's ever been.

Nick won Adepticon Championships this year and Nova invitational. Brad won Adepticon Championships last year. Tony has his Nova wins. Andrew won DaBoyz last year, killidaelphia, and the ETC singles. Allan won ETC singles last year and WGC last year. Together we put up the winners of America's largest events for the past two years. The last minute CSM sub was unfortunate but unavoidable.

This team format is different than anything we play in America the closest being the ATC. When you take turns picking the pairings, even the best players will lose due to the "rock paper scissors" aspects of each army.

I don't agree - they should have placed higher to be considered the best US team 'ever'. I know how the pairings work - the lists should be designed to handle that aspect adequately.

As another poster said I'd love to see two teams next year. I think it would help out the US a lot and open the door for more of the truly best players.

So the winners of Adepticon, wgc, and nova; the three largest events in America, aren't actually the best players in America?

Interesting theory.

However 2 teams is not an option. But along those lines of thinking if you had 2 teams sqaure off against each other to determine who will go then I see the point.

On the flip side if US gamers or events put together a ETC charity fund to help players get out there that deserve to go then you would see elite possible best games who happen to be poor also able to go. This would also encourage the top seeds to go as spening thousands is off the table.

 hyv3mynd wrote:
The US team is perhaps the strongest it's ever been.

Nick won Adepticon Championships this year and Nova invitational. Brad won Adepticon Championships last year. Tony has his Nova wins. Andrew won DaBoyz last year, killidaelphia, and the ETC singles. Allan won ETC singles last year and WGC last year. Together we put up the winners of America's largest events for the past two years. The last minute CSM sub was unfortunate but unavoidable.

This team format is different than anything we play in America the closest being the ATC. When you take turns picking the pairings, even the best players will lose due to the "rock paper scissors" aspects of each army.

Agreed! Although I still can't believe you guys took Dozer's bait

 NotThisTime wrote:
At the end of the day, it mostly boils down to four components to give yourselves a shot at medaling:

1- Quality Players
2- List Construction
3- Proper Pairings
4- Practice

All four are required to excel in the team format.

Also agreed here. America is likely never going to dominate ETC like Germany seems to be... people just don't often play / practice that format here, with the main exception being this event, and just a handful of others.

Still awesome to send a team and take a crack at it, I just think it makes America "not the favorite" for it, despite having a large pool of excellent players to pull from.

America did a pretty good job, though, especially in WHFB. They managed to rank in at place #8 of 32 in total, despite not being used to the ETC rules system - as far as I am informed, most (all?) US tournaments play Yahtzee Premium Vanilla WHFB.

For that fact alone, they deserve quite some respect

To help people out, there's never going to be a second U.S. Team. The ETC itself is heavily against it. There are pros and cons to both; if you had a 2nd team, it would have to be regionalized in order to make recruiting each team easier, which would then put pressure on having a third team so the regions made sense. Additionally, you'd have to figure out who was going to be the captain ... b/c of the current system, it would just be whoever sent something in first and/or who the ETC people like best if it's simultaneous.

You don't want a 2nd US Team ... it's divisive and painful enough on the captain as it is. And if one team or the other didn't win, everyone would scream about team dilution ... if one team won and the other didn't, it would cause divides. Yada yada.

It's all irrelevant, of course, b/c they won't ALLOW a 2nd team. A giant thread on the ETC forums highlighted it quite clearly, with a lot of low-brow anti-American commentary coupled w/ Team America itself not wanting a 2nd team.

Personally I think it's good they did better, the team drop/add process will help make sure any weaker links (if there were any) are upgraded, and practice makes perfect ... next year I'm sure they'll perform even better. It was also nice to see more of the U.S. community get behind the team than in years past.

The reality is with the size of our country, economic barriers, and logistical challenges, you're never going to have an even semi-provably "best" team of Americans, b/c even putting together America's "best" 8 (if you could identify them, which you can't) would create a lot of friction due to having 8 alphas who barely know each other being required to get along. Be happy that the team got BETTER, and represented America better, than the year before. They should be congratulated for that, and I think the trend would seem to imply that improvement will continue. They may never get a provably "Best" team, but they may consistently start to put forth the best team ... possible.