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I was going through my collection and discovered I have over 30 bikes so I started making lists and I want to know your opinion
The base of my list is 1600 pts and I want to know what I shoukd add or change for a 1750 and an 1850 list

Its as follows
Wazdakka

5X 3x bikers with a nob boss pole and klaw

3x dakka jet with ace

3x 10x lootas

That's about 1600 I think its pretty killy what does everybody else think? My strategy is hide out turn 1 and turn 2 pop out with the dakka jets and waagg some units will turbo boost towards armor and easy targets while other rain dakka supported by mass loota fire

I may take grots to hold backfield objectives but please give my your critisizm!

For bigger lists I think there is only one option: More bikers!
I was slightly going over 1700 with 30 Warbikers, Wazdakka and Lootas.

30 Bikers are awesome, especially with 30 TL-Assault 3 weapons.
Out of those 90 shots you will have 50 hits.
Against MEQ that are 8 kills.
Against flyers it are "only" 25 hits and if they have AV12 it comes down to 4HP's gone.

I've made a list myself since I wanted a Biker army too, this is what I would do:
-Wazdakka
2x 10 Lootas
2x 11 Warbikers with Nob (Klaw/Pole)
A group of 4 Nobz with a painboy and two Big Choppas to be joined by Wazdakka
3x Dakkajet with Ace

Total: 1785 points and 30 Orks on a bike, 29 having a TL-Dakkagun.

It's probably the best you can to if you want to field as many bikers as possible. I'd just add a warboss and mayby a unit of nob bikers so you have at least one unit being able to handle different targets than the rest.

While numbers at least mitigate psychic powers and markerlights, you will still have some problems in your games if you are facing multiple cover-ignoring weapons (sonic weapons, heavy flamers, whirlwinds and the like). Another weakness of bikers is that they can't climb ruins, so any objective or unit put on top of one is pretty much safe from assault.

Aah true, a Warboss on a bike could make that Nob-squad scoring!

Wazdakka has one problem; he doesn't have an invulnerable save. T6 and a cover is fine, but if a power fist turns up he's very vulnerable. Granted you need him to make the full shebang of speed freaks, but keep him away from MCs and power weapons especially if he's your warlord

For fluff's sake, Wazzdakka would probably have to be the warlord. Thus having a Warboss underling. You could have the Warboss as the warlord, but then you have to make the Warboss cooler to justify .

Anyhow, 2x 10 bikers and a nob biker group with a warboss would be dead killy. Just support it with artillery like kannons, lootas, and/or boomguns. Additionally if you have the points, maybe boost the numbers with a random mob of trukk boyz or two.

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:
Wazdakka has one problem; he doesn't have an invulnerable save. T6 and a cover is fine, but if a power fist turns up he's very vulnerable. Granted you need him to make the full shebang of speed freaks, but keep him away from MCs and power weapons especially if he's your warlord

Wazzdakka is a S8 Assault 4 cannon with more mobility than any melee unit in the game. Why should he ever be in close combat?

He shouldn't in all honesty. My point was that he has to be very careful about who he engages if he does. His best tactic is to play a flanking manoeuvre or something. He also needs to be very aware of AP4 weapons, especially ignores cover because of that lack of invulnerable

Played a 2v2 @1000pts today, my CSM with buddy's Orks vs double DA.
The ork player fielded 2 units of 12 bikers, nobs with klaws, one unit with warboss and one with Wazdakka.
He basically carried the game for us, a Purge win 12-10 ish. He had most of a unit of bikers left at the end and that single unit had earned upwards of 5 KP alone.

MOAR bikers ftw!

Granted, my ork buddy consistently (7 games & counting) hits as often or better with his orks' guns than we do with our Space Marines, which is absolutely ridiculously hilarious.

I can see his bikes working great in team games, after all you've got his back on all his weaknesses

Anyone used bikes against Tau before? Wondering how they perform against their gunlines and their ignores cover.

theonlyxaso wrote:
I was going through my collection and discovered I have over 30 bikes so I started making lists and I want to know your opinion
The base of my list is 1600 pts and I want to know what I shoukd add or change for a 1750 and an 1850 list

Its as follows
Wazdakka

5X 3x bikers with a nob boss pole and klaw

3x dakka jet with ace

3x 10x lootas

That's about 1600 I think its pretty killy what does everybody else think? My strategy is hide out turn 1 and turn 2 pop out with the dakka jets and waagg some units will turbo boost towards armor and easy targets while other rain dakka supported by mass loota fire

I may take grots to hold backfield objectives but please give my your critisizm!

I would drop lootas entirely. You have bikers which all have tl dakkaguns and you even have dakkajets which pretty much do the same thing as lootas. You cold have warboss with nob bikers, more bikes and even more dakka on dakkajets.

To my surprise, there aren't any single tau players around here, of the two players that used to play tau, one stopped playing altogether and the other sold his army and started chaos marines. The only other tau player I know of only comes to the store to play a friend after work. His friend actually is an ork player, but both of them only play "one of everything"-style lists so it's hard to say anything about the match-up.


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 illuknisaa wrote:
I would drop lootas entirely. You have bikers which all have tl dakkaguns and you even have dakkajets which pretty much do the same thing as lootas. You cold have warboss with nob bikers, more bikes and even more dakka on dakkajets.

Lootaz can penetrate AV12, all other can not. That's why you shouldn't drop your lootaz unless you like getting shot to pieces by vehicle-based firepower like serpents and manticores.

Yeah, I agree with Jidmah. Keep the Lootas. You'll need their dakka from the backfield to keep your opponent in check. You'll be mowing people down once those dakkajets come out!

 Dakkamite wrote:
Anyone used bikes against Tau before? Wondering how they perform against their gunlines and their ignores cover.

I managed to beat a Tau gunline with wraithwing crons allied with Nob Bikers. He focussed on the wraiths, leaving the nobs to pretty much wreck his army.

The main problem with Bikers are they are so expensive, short ranged and low Ld. Your opp. needs to kill only a single biker for you to take a LD check and flee 3D6 even with a BP which also causes a wound 50% of the time.

Compare Bikers to NobBikerz:

Double the cost BUT you get another +1 W, WS, Str., Attack, Inv save, and FNP. Point for point, the only thing you're losin out on is 18" firepower.

And if you place your Naked NobBikerz in a straight line, usually your Opp. is shooting from different directions thus different Nobz are the closest to whatever unit is shooting. Those with a wound drop back and thus you save a model. Doesn't work all the time but every little bit helps.

I run 10 NobBikers with 2 PK, WB, and BP for 595 with a BikerBoss for 155. Hold down your side of the table while Lootas do they're work. Can move and TB last turn upto 24" to take or contest an objective.

@Jidmah; That was the theory, but I lost the majority of my army (forgefiend, maulerfiend, and two rhinos) before we got our first turn. This left me with only two squads of ~8 CSM and Kharn. I only earned 4 of our 11 KP, and three of those were with Kharn.

I agree with the notion of keeping the lootas around.
While Nob bikers are certainly better, you're limiting yourself to half as many models on the table and in non-apocalypse games that leaves you with not much after they've been focused down. More models with that snazzy 4+ cover have been most effective against me.

@Jidmah; That was the theory, but I lost the majority of my army (forgefiend, maulerfiend, and two rhinos) before we got our first turn

Nobody else read this and think "god 40k is a gak game sometimes"?

Rule #1 of making rules for wargames - nobody should *ever* lose so much of their army before even getting to do anything

 Dakkamite wrote:

@Jidmah; That was the theory, but I lost the majority of my army (forgefiend, maulerfiend, and two rhinos) before we got our first turn

Nobody else read this and think "god 40k is a gak game sometimes"?

Rule #1 of making rules for wargames - nobody should *ever* lose so much of their army before even getting to do anything

Getting tabled on the first turn shouldn't happen before you get to go either, but I see it happen.