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Some guy who works at a LGS , who was told by a marketing rep. salt needed

I heard from some guy somewhere who knows another guy that GW are going to make a Thunderhawk model with spring loaded missiles.

Guys who work at stores, GW or not, know just as much as we do.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Guys who work at stores, GW or not, know just as much as we do.

Less more often than more.

 Oakenshield wrote:
I really don't see this one happening, especially with the rumor hitting so close to release.

This is the new normal. If anything, this rumor started a little further ahead of many contemporary rumors (that prove true).


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yukihyou wrote:
and 3-4 book type things

What does that mean?


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 Malika2 wrote:
But Blanche is also GW's art director if I'm not mistaken. Blanche really created the twisted feel for 40k all the other artists are applying to their 40k art.

Jess Goodwin was doing pictures of Elves for D&D in 1984 that would later become the GW standard. I agree that Blanche has provided a huge amount but the elements of WHFB's and 40k's art styles don't all lead back to him.

Hmm, I think there's a difference between style and feel.

You can read my post with either of those words and I think the point stands. Take a look at those Elves.

I am really looking forward to see what the new miniatures look like. The rules....eh..... who needs another game? The current "community" edition of Necromunda is really good. There is an "Inquisimunda" out there too. A 6th edition Killzone is in the works I hear. Guys play the Inquisitor game in 28mm, right?
It does seem sort of ironic that this would be coming out so soon after GW finally put Specialist Games out of it's lingering misery.

That's what I'm figuring! Worst case scenario, I get another cool Necromunda gang

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Whether or not you personally like Blanche's work or style, bear in mind that he oversees and mentors much of the inhouse artist's and what they produce. He's been there since the beginning and his influence flows through many of the above named artists, the sculptors and the design team.

I'm thankful to him for his continued contributions and glad he's still there, linking the current GW to the very first days of inhouse production. In recent years, many of us have been concerned about the shift in aesthetic in minis and I feel without Blanche at Nottingham, that might well speed up or change the entire range and aesthetic completely, leaving us with World of Warhammercraft looks forever.

I'm off to look at a 3 headed minotaur with a back banner of the Mona Lisa!

I agree with Stompa (did I just say that?!?)
Warhammer and especially 40k has been shaped by the style and designs of Blanche… he’s sort of the guy who really made it “grimdark” and his works influence almost all thing Imperial.
He’s the reason everything looks like it does for the most part.

 Mr. Konrad wrote:
It does seem sort of ironic that this would be coming out so soon after GW finally put Specialist Games out of it's lingering misery.

How is that ironic and not, you know, good business sense?

 Manchu wrote:
You can read my post with either of those words and I think the point stands. Take a look at those Elves.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
You can read my post with either of those words and I think the point stands. Take a look at those Elves.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

i think, in this case, you are both right...
Jes Goodwin has maintained a steady art style over the years, had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the mini lines, and really set the tone for things like Elves and Eldar (of all flavors), not to mention Space Marines...
John Blanche has had two very different art styles (his original finished illustrations and his newer loose sketches), and had a larger influence on the over all aesthetic of the two settings (fantasy and sci-fi)...
behind these two come a long list of brilliant artists, sculptors, and mini painters that have also contributed to the style and feel of the settings...

the thing that gets me about the hate against Blanche is that people always rag on his sketches, but don't seem to know his previous 20 years of brilliant finished paintings...
you can dislike a guy's current style, while still admiting that he has real talent as a painter...

anyway, it will be interesting to see if this game actually comes out, and if it will have some new art...
GW art has always been brilliant, for the most part...

cheers
jah

Theother thing to consider is for most of the last couple of decades Blanche has been the Art Director, as well as one of the artists. He's the one who commissions the artwork and writes the briefs to a large extent. That's given him enormous influence over the look and feel of both Warhammer and 40k.

If the mono-pose chaos marines & cultists from DV are anythign to go by then I'm very much looking forward to seeing what is planned for this release.

I'm expecting great things if this rumour is proven to be true. Please don't let me/us down GW!

 jah-joshua wrote:
Jes Goodwin has maintained a steady art style over the years, had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the mini lines, and really set the tone for things like Elves and Eldar (of all flavors), not to mention Space Marines...

He did way more than just influence. The models are created by him. He is the defining power behind the look of 40k.
Saying Blanche is the creative factor behind it all is like saying George Lucas is the driving creative power behind the SW saga.
Lucus had an idea... an army of people made the universe as we know it today.

the thing that gets me about the hate against Blanche is that people always rag on his sketches, but don't seem to know his previous 20 years of brilliant finished paintings...
you can dislike a guy's current style, while still admiting that he has real talent as a painter...

I have all GW publications. Blanche makes me puke. Sketches are done in pencil. Blanche uses ink and watercolor. Thus when he signs his name... the artwork is a finished piece.

You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.

 Fafnir wrote:
You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.

Further increasing my hatred for GW practices.

They print unfinished concept artwork by a concept artist into a book and claim it as finished art. Then charge $50 for a book of unfinished work.

Would you call the impressionist movement a bunch of sketchers?

 DeffDred wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
Jes Goodwin has maintained a steady art style over the years, had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the mini lines, and really set the tone for things like Elves and Eldar (of all flavors), not to mention Space Marines...

He did way more than just influence. The models are created by him. He is the defining power behind the look of 40k.
Saying Blanche is the creative factor behind it all is like saying George Lucas is the driving creative power behind the SW saga.
Lucus had an idea... an army of people made the universe as we know it today.

the thing that gets me about the hate against Blanche is that people always rag on his sketches, but don't seem to know his previous 20 years of brilliant finished paintings...
you can dislike a guy's current style, while still admiting that he has real talent as a painter...

I have all GW publications. Blanche makes me puke. Sketches are done in pencil. Blanche uses ink and watercolor. Thus when he signs his name... the artwork is a finished piece.

when i said Jes had a huge influence on the aesthetic of the minis, i was talking about his sculpting...
i know he is a good sculptor, because i collect his minis...

as for Blanche, if you have all GW publications, then you should own Ratspike...
that book has some of Blanche's best work...
it also happens to be about 22 years old...
as i said, the man has had a long career, and two distinct styles...
also, the covers of big box games like 40k 4th. ed., Battlefleet Gothic, and Epic were all amazing paintings by him, not to mention the original Sisters of Battle codex...

i never said he was the creative factor behind all of 40K, i said him and Jes are both talented and influential...
not to mention the long line of artists who have worked alongside them...
i said he has had a larger influence of the overall aesthetic of the two settings (warhammer and 40K)...
being the Art Director will have that effect...
you don't have to agree with me, or like any particular artists work, but there is no need to put words in my mouth...

cheers
jah

Would it have been so hard to make a moredheim like game for 40k? Or is this pretty much that. I would love a game where they had rules for every 40k army to play skirmish, but be different than the 6th ed rules, make each model count a lot more.

No interest at all in looking like the villan from the 5th element with a servo skull flying around me, as I "accuse" the innocent of herasy with accuser class bullets.

 DeffDred wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.

Further increasing my hatred for GW practices.

They print unfinished concept artwork by a concept artist into a book and claim it as finished art. Then charge $50 for a book of unfinished work.

Would you call the impressionist movement a bunch of sketchers?

Funny, since the Impressionists pretty much torpedo your entire whinge, considering they were a group considered by the art community of their time to be talentless hacks, and even the term "impressionist" is derived from a negative satirical piece published in a French newspaper. Today they are considered up there with the Renaissance when discussing important periods in art history; you can deride Blanche all you like, but don't pretend you have some objective basis for that derision - he has technical skill, you personally dislike the style he creates with that skill.

 DeffDred wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
You can do sketches in ink and watercolour... You can do sketches in pretty much any medium. A sketch is just a rough impression, that's all.

Further increasing my hatred for GW practices.

They print unfinished concept artwork by a concept artist into a book and claim it as finished art. Then charge $50 for a book of unfinished work.

Would you call the impressionist movement a bunch of sketchers?

The impressionist paintings themselves were quick sketches of solitary moments. Doesn't make them any less of a form of 'art.' The entire point of the movement was to make the paintings as quick as possible, in order to capture the feel of a specific venue at a specific moment, rather than taking time to do the absolute details.

Just because sketches are done quickly, does not lessen their importance or value. In many cases, a sketch can represent an idea in its most immediate and unmolested form, since it is generally meant to be done just to get a general idea out onto the paper. Some artists' best work comes in the form of sketches. Looking at the work of other artists, a lot of the times, their 'unfinished' work can be their most interesting.

That said, the issue of value concerning GW's books rarely has anything to do with the artwork in it, but a slew of other issues.

But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.

Youch!

C'mon guys - you're making it hard for me to continue to stay positive about this one!

I understand that news and rumors on this one are hard to come by right now, but please, let's all try and stay polite and on topic in here, OK?

Thanks!

 Fafnir wrote:

But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.

Dude, you need to dial that ego down... I actually agree with everything you said but this absolute lack of class at the end just doesn't do any of them any justice.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.

Dude, you need to dial that ego down... I actually agree with everything you said but this absolute lack of class at the end just doesn't do any of them any justice.

I thought it was a funny little note for him to finish his post off on. I think we both read that in a whole different tone my friend.

Needless to say, I'm still looking foreword to more substantial rumours and details about this game.

 Fafnir wrote:
..But hey, what do I know? Sketches and concept art is only the field I'm studying and working in.

How long until they train you to finish something?

I keeed, I keeed!

I'm with Alph on this one, lets keep the vibes positive that this will happen.

I personally hope there is a bit of complexity to the rules certainly not abstracted to the level of 40k. Necromunda as a starting point rather than Inquisitor would be my preference.

For what it's worth, I meant that in a more jovial way than anything else.

That said, I finish things occasionally. I just hate them most of the time and have to start over again is all.

JB's stuff is exactly that sketches, Ian Miller's and Adrian Smith's stuff convey it much better IMHO.

Orock wrote:
Would it have been so hard to make a moredheim like game for 40k? Or is this pretty much that. I would love a game where they had rules for every 40k army to play skirmish, but be different than the 6th ed rules, make each model count a lot more.

No interest at all in looking like the villan from the 5th element with a servo skull flying around me, as I "accuse" the innocent of herasy with accuser class bullets.

Psst... click my sig.

Would it have been so hard to make a moredheim like game for 40k?

They did, it was called Necromunda in 1995. Mordheim was actually a Necromunda-like game for Fantasy.

I bought Necromunda and Man O' War and never bought another such game thereafter seeing how GW treated those games:two years past release they were all but forgotten by GW with little to no support.

I did buy Space Hulk 2009 (it's fabulous) and even Dreadfleet (love the models and the game is passable fun) precisely because I didn't have to worry about support or buying expansions. Space Hulk is a great stand-alone game.

GW deliberately divested itself of board game production about two decades ago and more recently it closed its subsidiary Black Industries which produced GW board games and role play games, hence the last two board games were special limited run sales boosters. GW licenses FFG to produce board games based on Warhammer ever since they closed Black Industries. While most people here seem to understand that I repeatedly see comments that indicate that there is a need to repeat this explanation.