Inquisition the Game (40k Skirmish Game for late November?)

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**Zweischneid**

Well, I wasn't intending to revive a discussion on the merits and flaws of GoA (or, better, the GoA Kickstarter).

The point was that, from what I remember from the interviews, Rick Priestley was free to do a Sci-Fi / Fantasy miniatures game in 2013, be it for himself (e.g. GoA) or even for others (e.g. All Quiet On the Martian Front), whether or not they succeed.

A few years earlier (from what I understand), GW-legal would've been after him for either of these jobs as breach of contract/no-competition-clause.

**frozenwastes**

Makes sense.

I still wish there was some actual news about this possible product though. I keep checking the thread hoping that I'll find out whether or not questions I have about this supposed game have been answered yet, but I guess one advantage of GW's new super-secrecy policy is that it's easy to start rumours about anything.

**Insurgency Walker**

It would be cool for some leaked info but my guess is that it will be the sound of crickets until September 29th.

Until then let the wish listing continue.

**yukihyou**

Zweischneid wrote:
Well, I wasn't intending to revive a discussion on the merits and flaws of GoA (or, better, the GoA Kickstarter).

The point was that, from what I remember from the interviews, Rick Priestley was free to do a Sci-Fi / Fantasy miniatures game in 2013, be it for himself (e.g. GoA) or even for others (e.g. All Quiet On the Martian Front), whether or not they succeed.

A few years earlier (from what I understand), GW-legal would've been after him for either of these jobs as breach of contract/no-competition-clause.

I feel I must add something. He must have gotten a fair severance package though. To be fiorced into a Legal contract like that just seems spiteful. Its like a nuclear physicist being told he could be any other type of physicist instead of a nuclear one for ten years or we will sue.

Honestly I think Its just going to end up being a wave month, no news nothing.

**Moopy**

Kroothawk wrote:
This seems to fit here:

via An Anonmyous Source on Faeit 212 wrote:

A:I have seen a plastic adeptus mechanicus sprue with servitors and human sized (i.e. not space marine) adepts. This definitely exists because I have seen it,

Dat logical fallacy...

**xxvaderxx**

Zweischneid wrote:
Pacific wrote:

Here is my reasoning Breotan
- Mantic is headed by ex-GW Ronnie Renton, ex GW games designers Jake Thornton and Alessio Calvatore also work for them, amongst others. They all live in and around Nottingham, and have known each other for a long time. There is a fair amount of cross over between the development guys, and even though I know GW has a hilarious level of self-importance regarding secrecy, ultimately people have to make the games and sculpt the miniatures. Iif they all know each other anyway it's not a big stretch to imagine Mantic knowing what GW has got coming down the road, or at least have more of an idea then we have.
- Some reports have the current edition of WFB not selling particularly well compared to previous incarnations or GWs other game. It might be they have done a 'reasons why' and, perhaps rightly, identified Mantics miniatures and 'unit fillers' as one of those reasons. You buy a box of zombies these days and know of both company's products, it's far more likely that you're going to go for Mantic's stuff.
- In some cases GW sit on stuff a hell of a lot longer than 18 months. Some bits are sat waiting for a release window, others may never actually be released, but there is certainly a long heads up.

The alternative explanation is that this may indeed be entirely coincidental - the idea of a sci-fi skirmish game is hardly ground-breaking, and GW and Mantic are occupying a very similar niche in terms of the miniature wargaming hobby.

[...]
And most of Mantic's customers are arguably "old" hobbyists disgruntled with GW games, rather than GW's target group of "new" customers fresh into the hobby. So Mantic's profit is likely cut more from guys like Wyrd Games. If you don't know the hobby, you won't know Mantic, who sell their games/miniatures mainly in specialized online-stores and Kickstarter.
[...]

You have just described the average Wargamer with 4+ years of this hobby under his belt. Given the declining yearly sales volumes, if renewable customers is GWs long term plan, it clearly aint working.

**yukihyou**

And even GW's mantra of best figures on the planet no longer holds water.

They care about a Quick and easy buck, I've watched several of my favorite armies vanish into obscurity. And watch their Customer service go from helpful to the Spanish Inquisition.

Regardless. Nothing outside of a SoB release will make me return.

**AegisGrimm**

I'm totally on board for a skirmish game, even one that uses pseudo-6ed rules as this one will likely be. hell, I am painting warbands for the "In the Emperor's name" indie skirmish wargame. I don't care which ruleset governs my games, I just want skirmish-level action in my favorite Grimdark universe!

For the actual wargame, however.....I am still playing a hybrid 4th/5th edition with my buddy. No sense making all the material I have for that era completely irrelevant.

**ephrael**

Yodhrin wrote:
It really would be nice to get at least vague confirmation one way or the other, although I suppose if GW actually are behind the slightly more detailed leaks of late as some have been speculating, they won't want anything taking the spotlight away from the Marines. And "plastic Blanchian Inquisition minis" would certain do that for quite a few of us.

I feel exactly the same way Yodhrin and I agree that we probably won't hear much either way until the big Space Marine release. I have been spending my free hobby time modelling a war band just in case they do release a new game. If GW doesn't, I think that I can convince some of the guys in my local club to play Inq28 using the modified Necromunda rules. Either way I'll get the skirmish fix I'm looking for until Mantic's new game ships.

**AegisGrimm**

In the Emperor's Name is also a fun and free skirmish ruleset, though be warned that the rules have very little in common with 40K, other than relative weapon and armor strengths. the new 3.0 rules are up fr download, but you have to use a formula in the rulebook to port in the weapons stats from 2.0 as costs of armor and weapons have changed.

http://iten-game.org/

**Alpharius**

So...

...we're getting closer, and unfortunately, more rumor mongers are starting to lean towards Blood Bowl and, sadly, not a 28mm skirmish 40K Inquisition game.

Unless - someone's heard otherwise?

**pretre**

To be fair, Hastings always went with Blood Bowl. Between Tasty and Hastings, I'd back Hastings.

That being said, there may be a bit of shuffling if this whole Dark Elf thing is true.

**Dr_Grimm**

This is quite interesting, I can't wait to see where this goes!!!

**Alpharius**

Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!

There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...

**RiTides**

pretre wrote:
To be fair, Hastings always went with Blood Bowl. Between Tasty and Hastings, I'd back Hastings.

That being said, there may be a bit of shuffling if this whole Dark Elf thing is true.

Yeah, it's going to be an interesting October seeing how things fall out... seems like DE is very likely, so will a box game release (Bloodbowl!) get shifted back, released later in the month, or...

**Yodhrin**

Alpharius wrote:
Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!

There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...

Games Workshop really just hate money don't they. While I'm sure Blood Bowl would be nice for the hardcore fans, are enough Blood Bowl players really going to pay GW-splash-release prices for rules they already have and miniatures they can get much, much cheaper elsewhere? Alternative minis seem to be much more accepted in BB circles. By contrast an Inquisition game would sell to anyone who fancies the game, plus huge swathes of 40K players depending on what factions were in the box.

**Theophony**

Alpharius wrote:
Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!

There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...

Maybe it will get released at the 30th anniversary of Inquisitor, especially if Bloodbowl is released at the 30th anniversary of it's launch.

I must say if it's bloodbowl I'll get one IF their are plastic minis that just blow the old ones away, or if there are more than two good teams in the box. If it's just a repackage, then I'll pass.

**privateer4hire**

This is interesting.
Had it been a 40k skirmish, I might have jumped in.

BloodBowl answers DreadBall.
Gets an established quantity in the stores.
People that wouldn't touch DB will lap up BB because it's GW and they know they can find opponents for a GW game.

**Kroothawk**

privateer4hire wrote:
BloodBowl answers DreadBall.

IF it is Bloodbowl, plastic production would have started 2 years ago, well before Mantic had the "brilliant" idea" to make a football game.

That said, I am still counting on an Inquisition game this year rather than BB or nothing at all.

**Pacific**

Damnit.. just when I've started to make some headway convincing people to play Dreadball...

Now it's going to be "wow come on, lets play this game again that we already played 17,000 times, only this time with slightly changed (worsened) rules and 4 times more expensive teams!"

**BrassScorpion**

Why did this rumor topic get revived? I thought the Dark Elves In October thread finally (and thankfully) nuked it.

**Kroothawk**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Why did this rumor topic get revived? I thought the Dark Elves In October thread finally (and thankfully) nuked it.

One rumour does not disprove another rumour.
And, as said several times in the other thread, it is still possible a.o. that the Mystery Box is released in 3rd week of the month, not interfering with 1st week releases.

**Insurgency Walker**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Why did this rumor topic get revived? I thought the Dark Elves In October thread finally (and thankfully) nuked it.

Thankfully? Thankfully! I think somebody's butt is firmly planted in the hull breach. The whole point of the super secret black box is that you don't expect the inquisition.

Still have my thumb palmed for an Inq. Game. BB would be a disappointment for me.

**DiabolicAl**

Theophony wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!

There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...

Maybe it will get released at the 30th anniversary of Inquisitor, especially if Bloodbowl is released at the 30th anniversary of it's launch.

I must say if it's bloodbowl I'll get one IF their are plastic minis that just blow the old ones away, or if there are more than two good teams in the box. If it's just a repackage, then I'll pass.

Then we wont be seeing it till 2031

I'd still be astonished if they did BB. Its a nice idea but unless they are going to redo all the teams i just cant see it. And i cant see GW putting that much effort into a splash release. Ill be sad if the Inquisimunda game doesn't materialise.

But yay Dark Elves. There is a line that needs some love.

**stormwell**

DiabolicAl wrote:
Theophony wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Since it is probably going towards Blood Bowl right now, I'd say, it isn't very interesting concerning a 28mm 40K Skirmish game!

There is chatter that this game is still in the works though...

Maybe it will get released at the 30th anniversary of Inquisitor, especially if Bloodbowl is released at the 30th anniversary of it's launch.

I must say if it's bloodbowl I'll get one IF their are plastic minis that just blow the old ones away, or if there are more than two good teams in the box. If it's just a repackage, then I'll pass.

Then we wont be seeing it till 2031

I'd still be astonished if they did BB. Its a nice idea but unless they are going to redo all the teams i just cant see it. And i cant see GW putting that much effort into a splash release. Ill be sad if the Inquisimunda game doesn't materialise.

But yay Dark Elves. There is a line that needs some love.

Blood Bowl would seem a bit odd especially since GW killed of Specialist Games a few months back, to me it would seem bit of a U-turn.

A 40K skirmish game would be awesome long as GW doesn't screw it over from the start.

**notprop**

Why is Bloodbowl an odd choice?

It is a hugely popular game, even now after being left without development for so many years.

It has had a (relatively successful) computer game with expansion and is about the only Specialist Game that there is plenty of players for. The club near me runs a BB tourney and league every year and pulls in 30 odd players and its not the only one.

A Tarted up Bloodbowl will sell as least as well as Spulk I would suggest.

I would rather the Inquisitor game this thread discusses but Bloodbowl would be a safe be and a popular one. I suspect I would pick it up and I've not played since the 1986 1st edition.

**Dundas**

Given the rate they're churning out Codexes, I could see them maybe saving an skirmish/ inquisitor style game to fill in a bit of a gap between the last Codex being updated for 6th and the release of a 7th ed rule set.

I also just don't see a skirmish game fitting in the trend of previous big box releases, which were one off, self contained things which would suit bloodbowl better than a skirmish game. All just pure speculation tho.

I'd much prefer an Inquisitor style game, but must admit even tho I'm not a huge fan, if the box was up to the same production values as Space Hulk I could see me buying it.

**evildrcheese**

Aw man. I was really hoping I could pick up the=I= game at Games Day, but it looks like even if it is released we it won't be available til Oct. Not fussed for Blood Bowl so i'd be sad if we never saw this.

D

**The Division Of Joy**

My local club sees at least 3-4 games of BB each week, it's hugely popular

**stormwell**

notprop wrote:
Why is Bloodbowl an odd choice?

It is a hugely popular game, even now after being left without development for so many years.

It has had a (relatively successful) computer game with expansion and is about the only Specialist Game that there is plenty of players for. The club near me runs a BB tourney and league every year and pulls in 30 odd players and its not the only one.

A Tarted up Bloodbowl will sell as least as well as Spulk I would suggest.

I would rather the Inquisitor game this thread discusses but Bloodbowl would be a safe be and a popular one. I suspect I would pick it up and I've not played since the 1986 1st edition.

I know Blood Bowl is hugely popular, so are Necromunda and Mordheim as I've noticed.

But I said in my post I would find BB a bit odd since GW pulled the plug on Specialist Games, though thats my opinion.