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I am not buying in to this rumor set, there are too many red flags for me.
Freakfish- i don't think we've really seen any solid info yet for the Tyranids other than release. Release is expected in November.
One thing you can do if you are convinced you are going to start tyranids is look for some super cheap used modesl deals. Gaunts may change a little bit with rumored spike rifles in the kits or what not but i think if you got some gaunts cheap, super cheap hormagaunts on the hope they don't blow with the new codex, a tervigon or 2, a hive tyrant and other things that will still be around post codex it might save you a ton of moolah.
rigeld2 wrote: "This far out"?
If GW isn't sending stuff to the printers soon it won't hit in November.
This is a rumored November release right? We don't usually get rules leak until a couple weeks before the prerelease orders go up.
This. Even the Space Marines, the most important release in table top gaming (every time they drop), didn't have rules or picture leaks until much closer to it's release.
rigeld2 wrote: "This far out"?
If GW isn't sending stuff to the printers soon it won't hit in November.
This is a rumored November release right? We don't usually get rules leak until a couple weeks before the prerelease orders go up.
This. Even the Space Marines, the most important release in table top gaming (every time they drop), didn't have rules or picture leaks until much closer to it's release.
Genestealers and tyranids in general are just as much a pinnacle of the 40k universe in general as Marines are.
It only makes sense that if GW wants to start releasing their Ultramarine rumors so that players can save money for the holiday season, they're going to release the bugs as well.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: If Nids are released in November, if there a chance we'll get a Megaforce for them this Christmas?
There is a chance... Just not a good one.
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It only makes sense that if GW wants to start releasing their Ultramarine rumors so that players can save money for the holiday season, they're going to release the bugs as well.
When it comes to GW...follow the money.
This is GW, they do nothing that makes sense. BUT then again, maybe something so big, and they know people will be saving for Christmas, give some "rumours" now so we
can start saving, otherwise, Tyranids if true for Nidvember, would not be a major success. At least I know, I need to start saving now. If GW only gave me a 4 week release rumour
then I would be kissing Tyranids good bye until Christmas is over. So that would mean some time in 2014 would be my purchase.
Good move on GW part on releasing "rumours" for Tyranids if true.
But I have a feeling all these rumours are false and we will not get a release until 2014. Jan the earliest. If Nids to get a Nov release that is only a 3 year cycle for the codex.
Well 3.8 year cycle, not a full 4 year cycle.
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Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
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rigeld2 wrote: "This far out"?
If GW isn't sending stuff to the printers soon it won't hit in November.
This is a rumored November release right? We don't usually get rules leak until a couple weeks before the prerelease orders go up.
This. Even the Space Marines, the most important release in table top gaming (every time they drop), didn't have rules or picture leaks until much closer to it's release.
Genestealers and tyranids in general are just as much a pinnacle of the 40k universe in general as Marines are.
It only makes sense that if GW wants to start releasing their Ultramarine rumors so that players can save money for the holiday season, they're going to release the bugs as well.
When it comes to GW...follow the money.
The whole, "Get information early so people can start saving..." is nonsense. People should be saving all the time anyway. It's called being responsible. Then, whether your army is coming in November or next July, you've got money for it, and money in the event of some emergency at the same time.
Also, Space Marines outsell the rest of the 40k armies combined, so Tyranids really aren't the pinnacle of anything. According to the fluff, they are the biggest enemy, because they are the one common enemy of every faction, but their sales don't touch Space Marines. They never have. The customers drive that, so in a roundabout way, "follow the money" is sufficient.
Real information will start dropping about 4 weeks out from pre-order. All of these currently going around could just be creamy diarrhea, which would make me sad (for selfish reasons). What we do know, is that way more people are talking about Tyranids than either IG or Orks, or even Dark Elves (set to drop in October). Somebody somewhere must have seen something to get it all started; or the people who really know are just trying to smoke out the alleged rumor-mongers who pretend to know things but don't. Kill the moles, and all.
The whole, "Get information early so people can start saving..." is nonsense. People should be saving all the time anyway. It's called being responsible. Then, whether your army is coming in November or next July, you've got money for it, and money in the event of some emergency at the same time.
Also, Space Marines outsell the rest of the 40k armies combined, so Tyranids really aren't the pinnacle of anything. According to the fluff, they are the biggest enemy, because they are the one common enemy of every faction, but their sales don't touch Space Marines. They never have. The customers drive that, so in a roundabout way, "follow the money" is sufficient.
Real information will start dropping about 4 weeks out from pre-order. All of these currently going around could just be creamy diarrhea, which would make me sad (for selfish reasons). What we do know, is that way more people are talking about Tyranids than either IG or Orks, or even Dark Elves (set to drop in October). Somebody somewhere must have seen something to get it all started; or the people who really know are just trying to smoke out the alleged rumor-mongers who pretend to know things but don't. Kill the moles, and all.
Agreed. Maybe most or all of these rumors are nonsense (even though I wouldn't mind them being real, haha), but just the fact that so many Tyranid rumors have cropped over over the past month should tell us something. The new book is coming, maybe in November or maybe in January, but it's coming sooner rather than later.
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The whole, "Get information early so people can start saving..." is nonsense. People should be saving all the time anyway. It's called being responsible. Then, whether your army is coming in November or next July, you've got money for it, and money in the event of some emergency at the same time.
Also, Space Marines outsell the rest of the 40k armies combined, so Tyranids really aren't the pinnacle of anything. According to the fluff, they are the biggest enemy, because they are the one common enemy of every faction, but their sales don't touch Space Marines. They never have. The customers drive that, so in a roundabout way, "follow the money" is sufficient.
Real information will start dropping about 4 weeks out from pre-order. All of these currently going around could just be creamy diarrhea, which would make me sad (for selfish reasons). What we do know, is that way more people are talking about Tyranids than either IG or Orks, or even Dark Elves (set to drop in October). Somebody somewhere must have seen something to get it all started; or the people who really know are just trying to smoke out the alleged rumor-mongers who pretend to know things but don't. Kill the moles, and all.
Agreed. Maybe most or all of these rumors are nonsense (even though I wouldn't mind them being real, haha), but just the fact that so many Tyranid rumors have cropped over over the past month should tell us something. The new book is coming, maybe in November or maybe in January, but it's coming sooner rather than later.
That logic proves to not work anymore... After the whole Summer of Fliers debacle....
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The whole, "Get information early so people can start saving..." is nonsense. People should be saving all the time anyway. It's called being responsible. Then, whether your army is coming in November or next July, you've got money for it, and money in the event of some emergency at the same time.
Also, Space Marines outsell the rest of the 40k armies combined, so Tyranids really aren't the pinnacle of anything. According to the fluff, they are the biggest enemy, because they are the one common enemy of every faction, but their sales don't touch Space Marines. They never have. The customers drive that, so in a roundabout way, "follow the money" is sufficient.
Real information will start dropping about 4 weeks out from pre-order. All of these currently going around could just be creamy diarrhea, which would make me sad (for selfish reasons). What we do know, is that way more people are talking about Tyranids than either IG or Orks, or even Dark Elves (set to drop in October). Somebody somewhere must have seen something to get it all started; or the people who really know are just trying to smoke out the alleged rumor-mongers who pretend to know things but don't. Kill the moles, and all.
Agreed. Maybe most or all of these rumors are nonsense (even though I wouldn't mind them being real, haha), but just the fact that so many Tyranid rumors have cropped over over the past month should tell us something. The new book is coming, maybe in November or maybe in January, but it's coming sooner rather than later.
That logic proves to not work anymore... After the whole Summer of Fliers debacle....
People started that twice, but followed it up with nothing. Hardly any info, and the big-shot rumor mongers never backed it. The first go around, we ended up with the Death from the Skies supplement. The second go round, people claimed to see fliers for particular armies; one of which was the Harpy that has allegedly been done for a while, but another was the Eldar flier which did come out. It came with the Codex, sure, but it came. The logic stands to reason: someone saw something and discussions began. The information doesn't all have to be true, but it points to something. With how many Tyranid rumors have started, and how much information is circulating - even if most of it proves to be false - I doubt this is all for nothing. The same big-shot rumor mongers have stated that IG, Orks, and Tyranids are the next 3, and one of them claimed Tyranids are before the other two.
The Chaos Space Marines received an onslaught of rumors before their release, most of which turned out to be false, but they still ended up the next army. It's like a game of telephone, sure, but someone dropped the pebble into the bathtub at some point.
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brassangel wrote: The whole, "Get information early so people can start saving..." is nonsense. People should be saving all the time anyway. It's called being responsible. Then, whether your army is coming in November or next July, you've got money for it, and money in the event of some emergency at the same time.
You do realize there's a difference between saving hobby money and saving household money, right?
I allow myself a couple hundred a month for hobby stuff. If there's something big coming up soon I save that money up and blow it all at once. I never dip into my household savings for hobby money, but I have dipped into hobby money for household stuff. Hobby money is spent on "emergencies" before dipping into household funds.
So thanks for the irresponsible assumption, no matter how wrong it was.
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brassangel wrote: The whole, "Get information early so people can start saving..." is nonsense. People should be saving all the time anyway. It's called being responsible. Then, whether your army is coming in November or next July, you've got money for it, and money in the event of some emergency at the same time.
You do realize there's a difference between saving hobby money and saving household money, right?
I allow myself a couple hundred a month for hobby stuff. If there's something big coming up soon I save that money up and blow it all at once. I never dip into my household savings for hobby money, but I have dipped into hobby money for household stuff. Hobby money is spent on "emergencies" before dipping into household funds.
So thanks for the irresponsible assumption, no matter how wrong it was.
It wasn't wrong; thanks for not reading what I said, bitterpants. I have frequently referred to a "hobby fund" in my posts about the subject. It is separate from household money, emergency funds (so as to avoid people stupidly using Credit Cards for "emergencies"), car repairs, utilities, groceries, gas, etc. If you break down every last dime that comes in and goes out, you'd be surprised how little money you can make and still get through life. My point is, if you can't save for your hobby at least a little every month, then you simply don't have the means to warrant spending on it anyway. The money isn't going to suddenly come out of nowhere because you find out what's being released in 3 months. If you treat your money with the same discipline at all times, you'll be able to readily buy the stuff you want, when you want it. If something urgent comes up, you obviously sacrifice the hobby to prioritize important things. If you manage your money properly, you usually won't have to do that though.
Back on topic: I'm starting to think Tyranids are coming soon for the same reason Chaos Space Marines were coming. We received a slew of rumors, most ended up false, but it all started because someone heard something somewhere. We are hearing NOTHING about any army besides Tyranids right now, so true, false, or indifferent, that's the army with interest and information buzzing around.
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brassangel wrote:Also, Space Marines outsell the rest of the 40k armies combined...
Wasn't it that Space Marines outsold the Fantasy armies combined, not the 40k armies?
brassangel wrote:Back on topic: I'm starting to think Tyranids are coming soon for the same reason Chaos Space Marines were coming. We received a slew of rumors, most ended up false, but it all started because someone heard something somewhere. We are hearing NOTHING about any army besides Tyranids right now, so true, false, or indifferent, that's the army with interest and information buzzing around.
There were some Ork and IG rumours a short while back (plastic Meganobz and Steel Legion and whatnot). But of course, these seem to require a fair amount of salt considering the sources, and are far less in number than the amount of 'Nid stuff thrown around.
Still, I'm not getting too excited until someone credible like Best_Pone, Hastings or Harry chimes in.
Rumbleguts wrote: Just because the changes to ballistic skill would make so many random psychic powers useless I doubt this is close to ready. Plus, I don't see Hive Tyrants as lvl 3 psykers base. I could see lvl 1 upgradeable to 2. And Swarmlord a 4? Naw, seem a bit over the top too in other ways. But I could see them playtesting this.
IF you can't use a psychic power, you can re-roll it.
Or maybe that's just for WC two powers of PML one psykers.
Rumbleguts wrote: Just because the changes to ballistic skill would make so many random psychic powers useless I doubt this is close to ready. Plus, I don't see Hive Tyrants as lvl 3 psykers base. I could see lvl 1 upgradeable to 2. And Swarmlord a 4? Naw, seem a bit over the top too in other ways. But I could see them playtesting this.
IF you can't use a psychic power, you can re-roll it.
Or maybe that's just for WC two powers of PML one psykers.
It is indeed only for WC2 powers, the Broodlord has this situation in the current codex/faq and he is not allowed a re-roll.
Bell of Lost Souls 8/27/13 "Regarding the Mycetic Spore wrote:
They rain down from the Hiveships, gelatenous bags of vile ichor and malevolence. Here's the latest word on the Mycetic Spore said to arriving with the upcoming Tyranids.
-Mycetic Spore is coming with the new Tyranid release
-Plastic combo-kit that makes the Spore and another large bug.
-It is an enormous creature, with an immense abdomen/transport sac, that spills over the sides of a standard oval base.
-It has tiny vestigial arms similar to a Zoanthropes, and a head with a tentacle ringed maw.
-The giant abdomen/sac looks swollen, and has internal protuberances looking like Tyranid creatures are stretching the skin from within, about to rip their way out...
-It has forward arms options that can be upgraded for various biomorph/weapon options.
-The secondary creature build option replaces the abdomen/sac with something entirely different.
That sounds horribly disgusting - I want it.
If this lines up with the other rumors, then the secondary creature will be the Hive Node. Either way, I better start setting aside some Tyranid Funds
Bell of Lost Souls 8/27/13 "Regarding the Mycetic Spore wrote:
They rain down from the Hiveships, gelatenous bags of vile ichor and malevolence. Here's the latest word on the Mycetic Spore said to arriving with the upcoming Tyranids.
-Mycetic Spore is coming with the new Tyranid release
-Plastic combo-kit that makes the Spore and another large bug.
-It is an enormous creature, with an immense abdomen/transport sac, that spills over the sides of a standard oval base.
-It has tiny vestigial arms similar to a Zoanthropes, and a head with a tentacle ringed maw.
-The giant abdomen/sac looks swollen, and has internal protuberances looking like Tyranid creatures are stretching the skin from within, about to rip their way out...
-It has forward arms options that can be upgraded for various biomorph/weapon options.
-The secondary creature build option replaces the abdomen/sac with something entirely different.
That sounds horribly disgusting - I want it.
If this lines up with the other rumors, then the secondary creature will be the Hive Node. Either way, I better start setting aside some Tyranid Funds
This rumor feels like it's accurate. Gut feelings, sure, but the description of the creature falls in line with how I think GW would design such a kit. Making it a dual-kit with a new giant bug (CEREBORE!) is also great, for those who have already converted mycetic spores of their own.
Also i mention Cerebore above because it's another version of a 'transport bug' and i think it just fits with the mycetic spore aesthetic, most likely. I called Nidvember back in July, I'm calling Cerebore now. mark it down, I'm the new Nidstradamus.
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Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: If Nids are released in November, if there a chance we'll get a Megaforce for them this Christmas?
There is a chance... Just not a good one.
Likely not for Christmas, though there may be a "Strike Force" to replace the battleforce in Nov or whenever Nids come out.
Megaforce Christmas may be odd as well, as Marines are getting their strike force in Sep. Megaforces are nearly always SM and xenos. This year I would guess either CSM or Tau for the megaforces, and maybe a Daemons one shared between the systems.
No chance for a Nid Megaforce this year. CSM or Daemon Megaforce would be my guess, it's usually SM plus the major non-SM release of the previous year. Tau and Eldar are too recent, I feel.
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lord_blackfang wrote: No chance for a Nid Megaforce this year. CSM or Daemon Megaforce would be my guess, it's usually SM plus the major non-SM release of the previous year. Tau and Eldar are too recent, I feel.
I don't know why people want a mega force. It will cost the exact same as buying the models individually. Unless you are Eldar, then it will cost you more money then buying the models individually.
Yeah the megaforces were the only discounts an army got outside of battleforces. Granted, they didn't always have good units in them, so you were basically getting "bad" units free (like the stalker in necrons ect).
Re: the guy who posted the Tyranid Rumors (mikey0987), it was found out he was also the one who posted the Daemon rumors a while back.
Here's how that worked out:
Spoiler:
More Daemons Daemonic: Instability If you lose 25% of your unit at the end of your close combat phase then you must take a leadership test on 2d6. You subtract the amount of models lost to the overall leadership total. If you pass then nothing happens otherwise you lose wounds equal to the amount you failed the combat by. PARTIALLY TRUE
For the case of shooting then the daemons count as being fearless. TRUE If a herald joins a unit then the unit is not effected by daemonic Instability FALSE
Heralds: have +1 to weapon skill, wounds, initiative, attack and have LD 9-10 TRUE Soul grinder has sky fire in profile (220pts base) TRUE
All daemon units have a 5+ invulnerable save as standard. TRUE There is upgrades to give heralds 3+ TRUE and even 2+ save (although it is very expensive) FALSE
Greater daemons are beasts – the keeper of secrets have 6 base attacks and gains more attacks for every kill. She also has rending. TRUE
Blood thirster- has amazing stat line:
WSBS S T W A I LDSV 10 5 8 7 5 5 5 10 4+ FALSE
Re- rolls all failed to hit and to wound. FALSE All greater daemons have the option for 2+ save – although it is on the 65pts+ mark FALSE
Fate weaver can make a enemy hero turn into a spawn if they fail an invulnerble save. FALSE Still re-rolls saves (but only invulnerable – no longer armour) FALSE
Bloodletters – reduced by a point FALSE Daemonettes – reduced by 2 points but are now strength 4 on the charge. FALSE Plague bearers – reduced by 3 points a model but have lost feel no pain but gained shrouded. TRUE Pink horrors- increased by 2 points but have better saves. TRUE
Blood crushers are now monstrous beasts and have rage. (They are really expensive) FALSE Beast of nurgle are vastly improved – and have gone up in cost by 30+ points TRUE
Physic powers are a bit to random and can hurt you badly if you roll badly PARTIALLY TRUE Nurgle is the best of a bad bunch. SPECULATION
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Really? Tyranids before Orks?
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Killme304 wrote: Yeah the megaforces were the only discounts an army got outside of battleforces. Granted, they didn't always have good units in them, so you were basically getting "bad" units free (like the stalker in necrons ect).
They had discounts before GW decided to just do 1-click armies. Now it's 1-click armies for sale.
So much RED, its like someone locked a guardsmen in a room with a khorne berzerker
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I have frequently referred to a "hobby fund" in my posts about the subject. It is separate from household money, emergency funds (so as to avoid people stupidly using Credit Cards for "emergencies"), car repairs, utilities, groceries, gas, etc. If you break down every last dime that comes in and goes out, you'd be surprised how little money you can make and still get through life. My point is, if you can't save for your hobby at least a little every month, then you simply don't have the means to warrant spending on it anyway. The money isn't going to suddenly come out of nowhere because you find out what's being released in 3 months. If you treat your money with the same discipline at all times, you'll be able to readily buy the stuff you want, when you want it. If something urgent comes up, you obviously sacrifice the hobby to prioritize important things. If you manage your money properly, you usually won't have to do that though.
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