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Didn't realise there were such good rumours floating about! Thanks for the heads up Shadow!

Lictors, Deathleaper, Ymgarl, FOC, Mycetic Spores...
Sounds like GW has been reading my blog, I'm going to have to bring Blackbird out of hibernation!

Can't remember if I saw the latest release rumours. It was said that nothing is being released after Space Marines 40K codex wise, and Tyranids are in January.

Damn, no Nidvember.

Davor wrote:
Can't remember if I saw the latest release rumours. It was said that nothing is being released after Space Marines 40K codex wise, and Tyranids are in January.

Damn, no Nidvember.

Most mongers are split on the issue.

 The Shadow wrote:
Still looks awesome, can't wait!

But no TL Devs on Tyrants? Thank God I magnetised

I speculated this back when we got the plastic Tyrant and there were no Devourers in it. GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Also, what still looks awesome?

 brassangel wrote:

Davor wrote:
Can't remember if I saw the latest release rumours. It was said that nothing is being released after Space Marines 40K codex wise, and Tyranids are in January.

Damn, no Nidvember.

Most mongers are split on the issue.

 The Shadow wrote:
Still looks awesome, can't wait!

But no TL Devs on Tyrants? Thank God I magnetised

I speculated this back when we got the plastic Tyrant and there were no Devourers in it. GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Also, what still looks awesome?

I believe he meant the urrent rumors look awesome

no devourers? sad but not surprised, as for the kit, I'm more sad the wings take up an arms slot

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

True but then if they did you know they'd be charging $60+ for the box.

Most Xeno armies you get all the options in the box, especially in all the newest releases.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

True but then if they did you know they'd be charging $60+ for the box.

Most Xeno armies you get all the options in the box, especially in all the newest releases.

only because they typically have very few options. This is not true with commander units, who usually have a plethora of options but few bitz.

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

Oh, but that's okay because of "<insert nonsense>". I had a GW employee attempt to (quite enthusiastically) defend this. He told me that the way to give lascannons to Tacticals (for SM playing friend) was to buy a Devastator box, because "nonsense nonsense multi-part plastic kit", and so on. Ah, well. It keeps the bitz people in business. I just think it's funny. I've probably said this before, but, Space Marines are the poster army for 40k. They represent Warhammer as a whole - GW itself, even - more than anything else. The Tactical Squad box, being the core kit of the Space Marine army, could be said to be the definitive 40k box... and it's incomplete. It's not even just missing things that you are unlikely to include, either. I don't play Loyalists, but isn't it fairly common to fit every Sergeant with a power fist?

EDIT: Don't forget the bonesword. The only option to give to Warriors, really (at least for me), and it didn't even have a model for years! It can be at least blamed on Tyranids being far less popular than Marines, but come on. Especially since there's a (useless) standalone 'biomorphs' sprue.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

Oh, but that's okay because of "<insert nonsense>". I had a GW employee attempt to (quite enthusiastically) defend this. He told me that the way to give lascannons to Tacticals (for SM playing friend) was to buy a Devastator box, because "nonsense nonsense multi-part plastic kit", and so on. Ah, well. It keeps the bitz people in business. I just think it's funny. I've probably said this before, but, Space Marines are the poster army for 40k. They represent Warhammer as a whole - GW itself, even - more than anything else. The Tactical Squad box, being the core kit of the Space Marine army, could be said to be the definitive 40k box... and it's incomplete. It's not even just missing things that you are unlikely to include, either. I don't play Loyalists, but isn't it fairly common to fit every Sergeant with a power fist?

EDIT: Don't forget the bonesword. The only option to give to Warriors, really (at least for me), and it didn't even have a model for years! It can be at least blamed on Tyranids being far less popular than Marines, but come on. Especially since there's a (useless) standalone 'biomorphs' sprue.

The new Tac squad box does come with a powerfist, actually.

Okay. I don't see how that really detracts from the point he was making, though. And the kit still lacks a lascannon so even though GW is wasting money re-doing it they're still leaving it incomplete.

The main issue comparing Tyrants to Tacticals is the usability of the bits.

If GW put all the Heavy Weapon bits into the Tac squad, people would easily use the excess bits to create Devastators without having to buy the box. Or a Command Squad. Or Veterans (back in the day anyway).

A Hive Tyrants bits would only be useful on a Carnifex and vise versa. Well, would have been anyway.


Edit: the Bonesword thing was pretty bad though.

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

Touche...but there's no shortage of the weapons to be had among Space Marines. Devastators come with more Heavy Weapons than you can actually arm a squad with. And as Steamdragon pointed out, GW absolutely won't allow you to make two full squads of different units on the FO chart with one box (without magnets, mind you).

The thing with the Tyrant is, it comes with NONE of the small arms options. Seeing as how a Carnifex only comes with one set of Devourers, you still wouldn't have enough pulling from another kit to make the Dakka Tyrant. It's a massive shortage of a weapon if they really plan on allowing two monsters to wield double sets of them.

I just don't think the Tyrant will keep the ability to be a flying dakka boat. It will become a central command unit and leave the dakka to other things. If I'm wrong, then sweet, but it will make the codex more limited to continue to allow the Tyrant to be a catch-all.

EDIT: The Boneswords not being in the Warrior kit doesn't defeat my original point. I was talking about RECENT plastic kits. I even asked "how long has it been since..." The Warriors kit was made in 3rd edition. Could they even have boneswords in the 3rd edition codex? I know the Hive Tyrants couldn't.

 brassangel wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

Touche...but there's no shortage of the weapons to be had among Space Marines. Devastators come with more Heavy Weapons than you can actually arm a squad with. And as Steamdragon pointed out, GW absolutely won't allow you to make two full squads of different units on the FO chart with one box (without magnets, mind you).

The thing with the Tyrant is, it comes with NONE of the small arms options. Seeing as how a Carnifex only comes with one set of Devourers, you still wouldn't have enough pulling from another kit to make the Dakka Tyrant. It's a massive shortage of a weapon if they really plan on allowing two monsters to wield double sets of them.

I just don't think the Tyrant will keep the ability to be a flying dakka boat. It will become a central command unit and leave the dakka to other things. If I'm wrong, then sweet, but it will make the codex more limited to continue to allow the Tyrant to be a catch-all.

EDIT: The Boneswords not being in the Warrior kit doesn't defeat my original point. I was talking about RECENT plastic kits. I even asked "how long has it been since..." The Warriors kit was made in 3rd edition. Could they even have boneswords in the 3rd edition codex? I know the Hive Tyrants couldn't.

This still doesn't defend taking options away from the Tyrant because the bits aren't in the box. The iconic 40k squad is missing most of its heavy weapons, and the defense is 'but another kit has them'. Well, another kit has Devourers, the same size and type needed for the Tyrant.. No matter how you twist it (but there's plenty of Marine weapons to go around, etc), the bits are not in the kit. The idea of cutting options because they're not in the kit isn't a general production move made by GW, because there's new kits that don't follow it. Not many, but they're there.

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW just doesn't release plastic kits anymore completely devoid of the bits necessary to model an option.

Because Tactical Squads come with every heavy weapon option amirite?

Touche...but there's no shortage of the weapons to be had among Space Marines. Devastators come with more Heavy Weapons than you can actually arm a squad with. And as Steamdragon pointed out, GW absolutely won't allow you to make two full squads of different units on the FO chart with one box (without magnets, mind you).

The thing with the Tyrant is, it comes with NONE of the small arms options. Seeing as how a Carnifex only comes with one set of Devourers, you still wouldn't have enough pulling from another kit to make the Dakka Tyrant. It's a massive shortage of a weapon if they really plan on allowing two monsters to wield double sets of them.

I just don't think the Tyrant will keep the ability to be a flying dakka boat. It will become a central command unit and leave the dakka to other things. If I'm wrong, then sweet, but it will make the codex more limited to continue to allow the Tyrant to be a catch-all.

EDIT: The Boneswords not being in the Warrior kit doesn't defeat my original point. I was talking about RECENT plastic kits. I even asked "how long has it been since..." The Warriors kit was made in 3rd edition. Could they even have boneswords in the 3rd edition codex? I know the Hive Tyrants couldn't.

This still doesn't defend taking options away from the Tyrant because the bits aren't in the box. The iconic 40k squad is missing most of its heavy weapons, and the defense is 'but another kit has them'. Well, another kit has Devourers, the same size and type needed for the Tyrant.. No matter how you twist it (but there's plenty of Marine weapons to go around, etc), the bits are not in the kit. The idea of cutting options because they're not in the kit isn't a general production move made by GW, because there's new kits that don't follow it. Not many, but they're there.

Sure it does. If all the options were in the Tactical Squad box, you could make a 5-man Tac Squad and a Devastator Squad. GW simply won't let you do that for that price. And you still get a heavy weapon in the box, and all the special weapons, and all the combi-weapons, and all the Sergeant options.

If the options were in the Hive Tyrant kit, you could make a Hive Tyrant. But they don't even have the bits to make the most played option. The one bit they won't include in the Hive Tyrant kit? The center torso piece that would let you make both a complete walking Tyrant and a complete flying Tyrant. GW doesn't give you 2-for-1, but they give you the ability to make a complete 1-of. The Hive Tyrant doesn't even that going for it.

There aren't only not many, there just aren't examples. There are no other examples of recent kits doing this, and it's well known (according to Phil Kelly, Jeremy Vetock, and JJ) that the Tyranids codex was already being looked at during the time the plastic HT went into production. 6th edition was also nearly completed during the same time.

You are right that it doesn't absolutely mean this is the case, but it's too exclusive an example to rule out.

Again, I'm guessing, so my chances aren't any different than yours. If I'm wrong, sure, I'll say as much. But this isn't a skill, as everyone's just guessing. I also noticed no one had a response for my point about the Warriors (who couldn't have the swords at the time).

Plastic Tyrant Guard sound good to me they've always been my favorite nid unit/model, actual Mycetic Spore models would be nice to.

Maybe they'll do a hybrid plastic kit that will either let you make a Broodlord or a Warrior Prime.

Ok, the Tyrant won't lose Devourer options. I could see them cutting toned down no question, BUT really, removed? When was the last time GW completely removed a full weapon option that was available in the box? Yes, maybe not the current box, but at one point they did come with Devourer arms. They won't remove the option completely.

There's no examples aside from the tactical squad?

The Dreadnought doesn't come with two pairs of Autocannons. It comes with no autocannons. People convert these by sticking Aegis Quad Guns on the arm sockets.. It has no Plasma Cannon. It has no Multimelta. These are options it can still take, and are in other Dreadnought kits or only sold through FW. The other kits, which are fairly new like the Venerable Dreadnought, are again missing arm options, intending for you to swap between kits or convert or buy from Forgeworld.

Boxes missing options that they can take is still a normal thing for Games Workshop. They were thinking about the new codex when they did the Tyrant? Great. That doesn't mean there was room for every option - the Tyrant sprues are jam packed.

I'm not saying they won't take the option away, I'm just saying Games Workshop does release kits missing options, usually when there's just too many to fit on the sprue.

 jifel wrote:
Ok, the Tyrant won't lose Devourer options. I could see them cutting toned down no question, BUT really, removed? When was the last time GW completely removed a full weapon option that was available in the box? Yes, maybe not the current box, but at one point they did come with Devourer arms. They won't remove the option completely.

Hmmm... weapon options, not sure, but they sure did remove alot of the Carnifex options that can't be use, but are still on the sprues.

Then again do Spine Fists counts? I mean have you seen anyone use them in the 5th edition Tyranid codex? Well it's almost like they are gone.

I'd love to see spinefists become a template weapon like when they were first introduced... but the double pistol look has kind of grown on me.

I just wish they were, you know, any option above laughable.

I proxy my spinefist gants for tervigon spawns

my friend sent me this...

Sorry I can't credit the source or anything :(!






He was in specific pointing out that tail on the far Right. I said it was a Heirodule, yet he reckons it could be something... new !

It's a Barbed Scythed Heirodule: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tyranids/TYRANID-SCYTHED-HIERODULE.html

I thought so...

Nice to see that nids are in the White Dwarf though

I like it when they get advertised

Isn't it a Scythed Heirodule? The Scythed has the tail pointing up with the head hunched low, while the Barbed has the tail quite flat and the pose less hunched.

Bloodhorror wrote:
I thought so...

Nice to see that nids are in the White Dwarf though

I like it when they get advertised

A few months ago, they were in WD with SW, and then GW tried to sell the Nid force for what, $800 or so? I wonder how many they actually sold of them.

If it's in the White Dwarf it has to be plastic. Just like every single thunderhawk we've seen in White Dwarf for the past 5 years.

PLASTIC THUNDERHAWK? WHERE? GIMME!

I neeedz it.

Everyone knows that the thing in the black circle is the Heirodule. The pic is making the rounds because of the thing in the red circle. I don't know why people are fixated on the black circle when there is clearly an unknown creature in the red circle.



Black Circle: Heirodule

Red Circle: ???

It looks like an enlarged version of the Tyrant Guard arms.

Maybe an old Old One Eye?

I can't see it that well.