Tyranid Rumours (1st post updated with hive guard pic.)

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**pretre**

Ahh, probably pretty far back. If you can dig up a link, that would be great because I could add it to the tracker for him and give him some history.

**Unyielding Hunger**

Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Forewarning of the future, perhaps?

I hope this is of use,
Unyielding Hunger

**MandalorynOranj**

Might want to take the guy's name off that so he doesn't get in trouble, even if it is just his first name.

**Unyielding Hunger**

Fair enough, though I don't see why it would matter for something that is a public announcement for all stores that carry their products.

**pretre**

Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Fair enough, though I don't see why it would matter for something that is a public announcement for all stores that carry their products.

Because GW is weird like that and might smack someone down just to do it.

Re: the actual rumor itself? I think it is just because Hormies have been lackluster for an edition or two...

**Unyielding Hunger**

pretre wrote:
Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Fair enough, though I don't see why it would matter for something that is a public announcement for all stores that carry their products.

Because GW is weird like that and might smack someone down just to do it.

Re: the actual rumor itself? I think it is just because Hormies have been lackluster for an edition or two...

That may be it, but I am not sure. Remember though, that Genestealers have seen less action than Hormies this edition. Personally, I'm rather glad that Genestealers are on that list, because it will make it quicker for me to make my Genestealer horde.

**silverstu**

Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Forewarning of the future, perhaps?

I hope this is of use,
Unyielding Hunger

Sorry- are saying this indicates that hormagaunts might get redone[ie running down of that stock] or that Genestealers are going to get a boost in the next codex [and hormagaunts are going to fall away]?

I love my hormagaunts so hoping they get a boost not a hit with a new codex. A new kit with lithe hormagaunts would be great though, although the accompanying price hike won't be..

**brassangel**

Don't add me to the rumor tracker. I just get murmurings now. I used to have a great source, but he/she lost his/her interest in the stuff and went silent on me about 2 years ago.

The last good bit I had revolved around the dual Daemons release. Now it's hit or miss. I don't even trust it.

**Redemption**

pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

Can't find his 5th edition stuff; that's probably buried somewhere deep in the Warpshadow forums. He was one of the first people to call out that the new 6th edition codex would not come in November, but at the start of the next year though. A nugget of information which he seems to have gotten directly from Phil Kelly:
http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17204&p=203623#p203623

**N.I.B.**

Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Hormagaunts were on the 'hot list' ? lol
Kind of scary actually, how out of touch GW are.

I just want to chime in on the poison discussion - DE Venomspam vs Nids is the most skewed matchup in 40K. There's literally no reason for Nids to deploy against it. Nids mitigating the effects of poison makes sense.

And a bit of wishlisting/guesswork - I think all Tyranid Heavy Support will become 0-3.

**silvu**

I'm a bit skeptical about whether or not there will be any nids this year, maybe early next year.

**Vhalyar**

Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

**Kroothawk**

Hydra is a major rumour collector on Tyranids from Warpshadow. A.o. it was him to get Phil Kelly to admit that there will be lots of new species in 5th edition Codex, some of them dwarfing the Carnifex.

**Sikamikanic0**

do you thing that the str 9 canifex will get a boost to its model also? in the near future? i mean comon he should be the biggest MC not the smallest!!!

**xttz**

silverstu wrote:
Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Sorry- are saying this indicates that hormagaunts might get redone[ie running down of that stock] or that Genestealers are going to get a boost in the next codex [and hormagaunts are going to fall away]?

I love my hormagaunts so hoping they get a boost not a hit with a new codex. A new kit with lithe hormagaunts would be great though, although the accompanying price hike won't be..

It could be the opposite... clearing old Genestealer stock in preparation for a replacement kit.

**Vhalyar**

Yup, he's pretty close to Phil and he's the guy behind Hive Fleet Moloch. Hydra doesn't spew random nonsense.

Now that he's talking a bit more, we can only hope that he'll give us interesting new pieces of information soon.

**Redemption**

silvu wrote:I'm a bit skeptical about whether or not there will be any nids this year, maybe early next year.

November was shaky at best, and the rest of the year is already filled with Hobbit and Fantasy releases. Now that it seems relatively certain that Dark Elves are taking up two months, January seems like the best bet. Most reliable sources seem to agree that Tyranids are the next 40k codex to be released though.

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Sikamikanic0 wrote:do you thing that the str 9 canifex will get a boost to its model also? in the near future? i mean comon he should be the biggest MC not the smallest!!!

Yeah, anyone hoping/expecting the current plastics to be replaced when all the plastic Tyranid models are still perfectly serviceable in terms of looks is going to be sorely disappointed. The Tyranid range simply has far too many missing models and units consisting of expensive FineCast models to begin replacing existing boxes. And that's before we include the mandatory new units a new codex will bring.

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Vhalyar wrote:
Yup, he's pretty close to Phil and he's the guy behind Hive Fleet Moloch. Hydra doesn't spew random nonsense.

Now that he's talking a bit more, we can only hope that he'll give us interesting new pieces of information soon.

No, Moloch is Marco Schulze, an (ex-?)GW employee. Hydra has Hive Fleet Hydra I believe.

**Vhalyar**

Ah, good catch. I keep mixing up HF Moloch & Hydra. Either way, when he says something about Tyranids there's a good reason to pay attention

**Tyran**

Why people want to replace the Carnifex model?

**Kroothawk**

I don't think, Marco Schulze ever was a normal GW-employee, although he provided the models for the FW taros campaign book. But he is a Dakka member: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/237.page

**pretre**

brassangel wrote:Don't add me to the rumor tracker. I just get murmurings now. I used to have a great source, but he/she lost his/her interest in the stuff and went silent on me about 2 years ago.

Sorry man, you post rumors, you get tracked.

The last good bit I had revolved around the dual Daemons release. Now it's hit or miss. I don't even trust it.

I don't have this one. Link?

Redemption wrote:
pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

Can't find his 5th edition stuff; that's probably buried somewhere deep in the Warpshadow forums. He was one of the first people to call out that the new 6th edition codex would not come in November, but at the start of the next year though. A nugget of information which he seems to have gotten directly from Phil Kelly:
http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17204&p=203623#p203623

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Thanks, I added these.

**gorgon**

Kroothawk wrote:
I don't think, Marco Schulze ever was a normal GW-employee, although he provided the models for the FW taros campaign book. But he is a Dakka member: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/237.page

Yep. I believe his connection to GW is that he's a friend of Jes G. Anyway, Moloch's a good dude and a pillar of the Tyranid community.

**DufenDorgen**

xttz wrote:
silverstu wrote:
Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Well boys and girls, I got us a nice juicy bit of news to mull over, right from GW itself. For those who are unaware of it, GW maintains a wonderful little "Hot List" that is sent out to all the stores that carry its products. What it does, is list all the models and kits and will be big ticket items for the present and near future, and urges all stores to keep that item in stock. Some are the iconic ranges of an army, much like Death Company for the Blood Angels, which are on the list. Anyhow, after a short little chat with my FLGS owner, he reported that GW has taken down the Hormagaunt Brood from the list and has added the Genestealer Brood to it for stores to keep in stock.

Sorry- are saying this indicates that hormagaunts might get redone[ie running down of that stock] or that Genestealers are going to get a boost in the next codex [and hormagaunts are going to fall away]?

I love my hormagaunts so hoping they get a boost not a hit with a new codex. A new kit with lithe hormagaunts would be great though, although the accompanying price hike won't be..

It could be the opposite... clearing old Genestealer stock in preparation for a replacement kit.

GW would so do this. After that demon flamer nonsense, there is nothing too low for them.

**brassangel**

Redemption wrote:
silvu wrote:I'm a bit skeptical about whether or not there will be any nids this year, maybe early next year.

November was shaky at best, and the rest of the year is already filled with Hobbit and Fantasy releases. Now that it seems relatively certain that Dark Elves are taking up two months, January seems like the best bet. Most reliable sources seem to agree that Tyranids are the next 40k codex to be released though.

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Sikamikanic0 wrote:do you thing that the str 9 canifex will get a boost to its model also? in the near future? i mean comon he should be the biggest MC not the smallest!!!

Yeah, anyone hoping/expecting the current plastics to be replaced when all the plastic Tyranid models are still perfectly serviceable in terms of looks is going to be sorely disappointed. The Tyranid range simply has far too many missing models and units consisting of expensive FineCast models to begin replacing existing boxes. And that's before we include the mandatory new units a new codex will bring.

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Vhalyar wrote:
Yup, he's pretty close to Phil and he's the guy behind Hive Fleet Moloch. Hydra doesn't spew random nonsense.

Now that he's talking a bit more, we can only hope that he'll give us interesting new pieces of information soon.

No, Moloch is Marco Schulze, an (ex-?)GW employee. Hydra has Hive Fleet Hydra I believe.

Well said. A lot of finecast will be ported to plastic, kits without a model will get one, and there will be the obligatory new units. Dark Elves was an exception, probably not a rule. We do have Tyranids, Orks, and IG upcoming, however, with Sisters still on the docket. It's possible they are all slightly larger than average releases to give them everything they need. Either way, that's likely a big release for Tyranids and Orks, in particular, so I doubt too many old kits get a refresh (until some supplement comes down the road).

pretre wrote:
brassangel wrote:Don't add me to the rumor tracker. I just get murmurings now. I used to have a great source, but he/she lost his/her interest in the stuff and went silent on me about 2 years ago.

Sorry man, you post rumors, you get tracked.

The last good bit I had revolved around the dual Daemons release. Now it's hit or miss. I don't even trust it.

I don't have this one. Link?

Redemption wrote:
pretre wrote:
Has Hydra ever had a rumor before? (added Brassangel and Hydra's rumors to the tracker)

Can't find his 5th edition stuff; that's probably buried somewhere deep in the Warpshadow forums. He was one of the first people to call out that the new 6th edition codex would not come in November, but at the start of the next year though. A nugget of information which he seems to have gotten directly from Phil Kelly:
http://www.warpshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17204&p=203623#p203623

Vhalyar wrote:Hydra sez no new horma/terma box.

Hydra wrote:Have to let you down.... no horma or termagants coming up...

Thanks, I added these.

I don't have a link to the Daemons rumor, because I wasn't playing at the time and didn't post it.

I think the last thing I posted as an official rumor was on Warseer about plastic Plaguebearers and Horrors (12 months before their release), and the Imperial Guard Valkyrie/Vendetta, also about a year before it's release.

My source used to be that solid. I didn't have a lot of rumors, but when I got them, they were way ahead of release, and always accurate. *SIGH* I miss those times, even if the game is better now.

**brassangel**

More potential junk via Stickmonkey:

Let's start right in:

Codex obviously

Set of Psychic Cards (whether this is one list or two shorter lists, I'm not certain, but I am certain they will get a deck for their powers)

Models

HQ:
Prime (I think this is the most likely candidate for a plastic mono pose blister as has been rumored...but!, if the rumors of a Shrike kit hold, I would place my money on this, the parasite, shrikes and the warriors all getting rolled together into this new box probably with a new weapon option too...and maybe with sky slashers as extra bits on the sprues like the rippers are currently.)

Parasite of Mortex. see above

Tyrant Guard 90% Certain we will see new Tyrant Guard models in plastic. These were huge bricks of metal before, and the finecast mold still uses lots of resin. Plus, the unit entry as it exists is missing options. What it has going against it is its currently a single model kit, and I cant think of any single model multi part with options plastic with options in recent history.

Note: I'm fairly convinced we will see the Trygon prime get a HQ option, but it wont need a new model of course.

Elite:

Hive Guard: 50/50 shot of Hive guard. While they suffer the same issue as Tyrant Guard, its such a new and heavily purchased sculpt. Only shot of it changing is if it gets combined into a plastic kit with something else as has been rumored. Again, I think it could be a single model kit, but we haven't seen this recently...since the SM Captain box...

Lictor: 50/50 that we see a new Lictor kit in plastic. I think this is a long in the tooth model in the Tyranid line, and the opportunity to do a combo with Deathleaper is just too obvious. I think its even less likely though that we see this with the rumored new shooty Lictor though. I think its a single model build though.

Deathleaper: See above...

Zoanthropes: 75%+ that we see a plastic kit with Zoanthropes and the Doom option combined. I place it only at 25% that this kit also builds Venomthropes. But, I'm also again thinking this makes 1 model.

Doom of Malan'tai: is a no brainer. Just a matter of if its a single character or combined in something.

Venomthrope: I give a low likelyhood of the Venomthrope getting a new kit just yet. The finecast lashwhips are the most god awful things, too easy to snap, and too far out there from the model to protect well from breaking off in normal use. But again, think this model is too new, and just hasn't lived its life yet to be redone. Staying finecast is my prediction.

Pyrovore: I don't see the Pyrovore getting a new model or combined with the Biovore. I think they both stay finecast as is.

Troops:

Warriors. Although the current kit still looks good, there are too many missing options in the kit, and to get Shrikes, a prime, warriors, the missing bits, and a HQ character model all Really Really easily in a 3 model plastic kit...highly likely.

I don't see any chance of new Termigants, Genestealers, Hormigaunts or rippers. I do think we see a accessory kit for Termigants direct only with the 2 missing guns. I would therefore give a low-medium likelihood of a recut Termigant kit.

Fast:

Harpy. This thing has been rumored as done and waiting so long. And its a FMC. I bet this is the BIG show case model for the release. I'm also 99% certain it will have a dual build with another new Tyranid Flying MC.

New Flyer: Whatever the dual build on the Harpy turns out to be.

Shrikes: As I've stated, my money is on a new warrior/shrike/prime/parasite kit.

Heavy:

Zero

Dedicated Transport:

Mycetic Spore: Again obvious dept. And with a kit this big, I cannot imaging they don't take the opportunity to make it a dual build...but what? If it can make this new Big psychic HQ Tick thing, maybe, but those rumors were flash in the pan during a period where there was a lot of Nid rumor trolling going on. Then there were the rumors of the Hive Mind Synapse Spore... Going back in GW history, there were once rumors of another Nid transport that was a burrowing creature...I think it was referred to as Hellebore. The art for the Mycetic Spore could possible be a big maw coming out of the ground... I personally have no idea which of any of these rumored dual build options might be true anymore. I'll stake my claim only so far as the obvious choice that we get the spore. As for the alternative build - we will wait and see.

Overview
So that's 13 new models that seem pretty plausible. And hardly anything NEW. That's a pretty hard pill to swallow - but the Tyranid range is full of a lot of holes that need plugging. If there are not 3 or more never seen before organisms included in the release, wow. And I cannot see them only making anything NEW as a dual build option off something we've seen. What looks easy to see is Harpy dual-kit with a new creature. Then maybe a brand new organism with a dual build to give us 2 new new things. That brings us to 15+ new models? But what kits really would that be:

-Harpy/dual: 2 models

-Warrior/Shrike/Prime/Parasite: 4 models

-Zoan/Doom: 2 models

-Spore: 1model

-H/T Guard: 2 models

-Lictor/Deathleaper: 2 models

-New/New: 2 models

7 kits...not unheard of for a release, probably with 2-3 being clampacks and the rest standard boxed sets.

And, of those 7 kits we could see 3+ new units as alternate build options.

Cya Finecast
And NO new finecast in the main release...maybe a direct only finecast upgrade kit for the gant weapons...but this list eliminates 6 existing finecast kits (Lictor, Deathleaper, Warrior sword/whip set, Hive Guard, Tyrant Guard, Zoanthropes) and removes the need for FWs warrior wing kit.[\quote]

**silverstu**

That is just a pile of guesses... so no change there and most of them don't seem logical- like not even combining the hive and tyrant guard into a single kit. Plus I'm fairly sure I remember him talking about the Harpy ages ago and saying he was disappointed with the sculpt - so to be so vague now seems to contradict seeing it..

**Vhalyar**

Yeah, it's pure conjecture on his part. No better than anyone's wishlisting/guesses.

**SJM**

Vhalyar wrote:
Yeah, it's pure conjecture on his part. No better than anyone's wishlisting/guesses.

I'm new to all the rumors and guesses! don't burst my bubble !

**Redemption**

And BigRed from BolS added this:

Release will emphasize new plastic kits.
Every missing model will ship with the release.
Smaller amount of new unseen models, higher amount of reworked existing models.
All old metal models replaced with new plastic kits (aka NO finecast survives)
Roughly 10+ new models in the release (including replacement kits and combo-kit build options)
January 2014

Source

Sounds wish-listy, but if they follow the same two-month release pattern Dark Elves are supposed to have, who knows? The Tyranid range certainly could use a push from finecast to plastic.

**Gutsnagga**

This may sound crazy, but do you think GW might actually make the two month release thing regular?
I'm not talking like the second wave, I'm talking about the two months in a row DE type thing.
Because if so, that would be interesting. People would have less to look forward to for there army, but they would be more satisfied that everything is accounted for soon after the codex release.

EDIT: 500 posts! yay!