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I don't see why GW would create complex supplements when people buy 1 page of new rules for 35$. Sounds like wish listing to me given all we know about GW.

 Kirasu wrote:
I don't see why GW would create complex supplements when people buy 1 page of new rules for 35$. Sounds like wish listing to me given all we know about GW.

To be fair, people are buying full supplements for $35 that contain 1 page of rules and a bunch of other stuff. It isn't like they are buying a single page supplement.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
This is true...

I'd forsee a Special Character Hive Tyrant. Something like One that comes as standard with wings and does a better Vector Strike. One that it can pick up and take an IC with it to the end of its movement and then become locked in combat with it.

All I look forward to is being able to ally with myself and take 4 Trygons in the Heavy Support Slot

I seriously doubt this, since the Swarmlord is already a Hive Tyrant special character, and an optional second build with the Hive Tyrant box set. They're not likely to mint a new special character when there already is one, and make the necessity to create a new kit (since it seems they are at least trying to make all codex options available in store).

-C6

 Kirasu wrote:
I think we need to get back down to earth about these "supplements". So far GW hasn't been using them to introduce any new styles of play or fill big gaps in stuff that was lost from 3rd edition.

All the supplements have been for is to add 5 relics, the ability to ally with yourself and a FoC change of some type. They are extremely minor and you could put all the rules on a single page.

The talk of these huge changes coming from a supplement seem horribly unwarranted given the examples we have.

Judging from the grand total of ONE printed supplement, these are some daring extrapolations
And even the digital version of the Farsight supplement differs greatly from the Iyanden one, having a greater focus on additional rules.

I think a Genestealer Cult Army would be AWESOME!!

Kinda been over this ground already, but GCults have three basic and very different elements -- Genestealers (Patriarch and Purestrains), humans (essentially IG/PDF in game terms), and hybrids (Magi, Acolytes, Neophytes, etc.). Barring a significant reimagination, it's not feasible to fit that all into a Tyranid supplement. Ultimately, they aren't very much like Tyranids in terms of units, models or gameplay. It's a very different thing than Farsight or Iyanden.

A standalone codex is easily the best solution, but that ain't happening. Next easiest on the list from a rules standpoint would probably be a supplement to IG, since you'd only need to add Patriarch, Magus, Purestrain and Hybrid entries, perhaps as allies. That's workable, but several levels more complicated than anything we've seen from supplements so far. And in the post-Finecast and must-have-model era, even that would require a plastic Magus and plastic Hybrids kit at minimum.

I like GCults a lot more than most, but I really think we need to move on from the idea that they're getting a supplement of some kind. If you want to play them, find a counts-as that works and move on.

My personal opinion is that any Tyranid supplements will be hive fleet-based, with simple changes and tweaks from the regular Tyranid codex.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Judging from the grand total of ONE printed supplement, these are some daring extrapolations

What, you think they'll add more rules to Farsight and Black Legion when they print them on dead trees? We have 3 published supplements to look at, that's enough to establish a pattern. Based on precedent, it's utterly irrational to seriously entertain the thought of a Genestealer Cult supplement.

This genestealer cult will make a lot of people happy, and it'd be great to see all the converted new armies it spawns. All the supplements do sound pretty cool, not that I'll be forking out £30 for them.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We have 3 published supplements to look at, that's enough to establish a pattern. Based on precedent, it's utterly irrational to seriously entertain the thought of a Genestealer Cult supplement.

As of a year ago, we had ~32 codexes produced with no more than a four in a year. Based on precedent, it was utterly irrational to seriously entertain the thought of more than 4 codexes being released in a single year.

 pretre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We have 3 published supplements to look at, that's enough to establish a pattern. Based on precedent, it's utterly irrational to seriously entertain the thought of a Genestealer Cult supplement.

As of a year ago, we had ~32 codexes produced with no more than a four in a year. Based on precedent, it was utterly irrational to seriously entertain the thought of more than 4 codexes being released in a single year.

Yes it was, and I laughed at people who believed it would happen. Probably my only real mistake in judging GW trends. But just because they can suddenly change direction doesn't mean we should believe every asinine rumour that goes against all established patterns, especially when there are other consideration that make the rumour obviously false. The fact that GW is not in the business of making rules for nonexistent models, for example. When we see pics of a Genestealer Hybrid kit I'll take this seriously. Not before.

Kirasu wrote:I don't see why GW would create complex supplements when people buy 1 page of new rules for 35$. Sounds like wish listing to me given all we know about GW.

People aren't buying 1 page of new rules for $35. They are buying 70 pages of pure freaking entertainment and hobby goodness that just so happens to include additional rules to modify their army.

It's you who are looking at it irrationally.

lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Judging from the grand total of ONE printed supplement, these are some daring extrapolations

What, you think they'll add more rules to Farsight and Black Legion when they print them on dead trees? We have 3 published supplements to look at, that's enough to establish a pattern. Based on precedent, it's utterly irrational to seriously entertain the thought of a Genestealer Cult supplement.

Enough to establish a pattern? Like Finecast releases for years that suddenly stopped with Space Marines and Dark Elves? Like only making 3 or fewer armies per year until the last 18 months came along? Like leaving gaping holes in the Force Organization of every army until 6th edition?

GW has made changes for the better consistently for the past 2 years or so. GW themselves has also said that the initial Supplements will be much simpler than ones coming down the road. These initial ones have basically been to test the waters. They want to give people fun stuff, and new rules, without busting the game.

If a Genestealer Cult Supplement is coming (which is a more reasonable assumption than yours), it will likely be pretty complex, will bridge two codices (IG and Tyranids), and will need a more careful approach from GW to be done properly.

Less need for bickering, please.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The fact that GW is not in the business of making rules for nonexistent models, for example. When we see pics of a Genestealer Hybrid kit I'll take this seriously. Not before.

When we see a plastic Sororitas kit, I take the the rumour of a Sororitas Codex seriously, because, you know, GW is not in the business of making rules for non-existent models.

And only if you quote me incompletely, you can miss that I stated that the digital Farsight supplement contains considerably more rules than the Iyanden supplement.

Were the rumours of combined CSM/CD suppliments coming from a source more reliable than Larry Vega?

 brassangel wrote:
GW has made changes for the better consistently for the past 2 years or so.

Taken out of context this sentence is simply not true. Lol.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
GW has made changes for the better consistently for the past 2 years or so.

Taken out of context this sentence is simply not true. Lol.

So then don't take it out of context.

The only thing they've done that's not for the better is prices at product launch, but that's no different than Privateer either. It's just the way of the market right now.

Let's not turn this thread into another discussion of GW. Let's keep it on topic with Nids.

So just pulled this from the October Wargames Facebook page, not sure where the original source came from, and it basically just adds some further weight to January for Nids.

Q 1 - 2 of 2014 schedule

Tyranids - Jan
Dwarfs - March
Imperial guard - April
Wood Elves - May

I know there are a few guys from October on here so if any of them are in this thread maybe they could provide the source.

Also an interesting thing is that there is nothing on this for February, perhaps a double month for Nids?

That's 40kradio's prediction.

 pretre wrote:
That's 40kradio's prediction.

Cool must have missed that one, was it already posted, these thread a move to fast for me.

Also was anything said about the gap in Feb? Is it because GW know I would look some money during my Birthday month so they are giving me a chance that month?

That schedule does not bode well for the Orks at all...unless Feb is their month.

I look forward to seeing all the fluff in the suppliments but I will be amazed if they are not hive fleet based. The genestealer cult seems like wishlisting and does not make sense but cool if it happens hehe.

The reason for the February gap in the 40k radio list is simple: The source just couldn't remember the February release.

Sorry I missed it somewhere, if there is no 40k release in November then what is in November?

Another month of Dark Elf releases and possibly a stand-alone Inquisitor-esque game seems to be the consensus.

DE second wave, iirc.

Ok thanks. I don't keep up with the fantasy stuff.

I think this will be a unique release. Few armies have as many single-model Finecast kits, all of which are of an in between size. Single model plastics are easy when they are a huge monster, or a standard 28mm that fits into a clam shell.

Tyranids have a lot of the in between sizes like Lictors, Zoanthropes, Venomthropes, Biovores/Pyrovores, Tyrant Guard, and Hive Guard. Not to mention the Special Character variants. I really wonder if there's going to be some sort of FO overhaul to give the penultimate swarm army fewer of these mid-sized, 1-3 per brood choices. It's because of the number of these unit types that I'm having trouble picturing the dual kits or release structure. This could end up anywhere from 5-6 kits + clams, to 12 kits depending on how they set it up.

I'd personally like to see fewer named beasts and more Alpha or upgraded variations. GW could justify it the way the Red Terror sort of became the Mawloc in ability, as though the previously unique monsters were a bit of a guinea pig for the Hive Mind to try out a new strain.

As to the rumors:

Warriors/Shrikes - May include bits for the Prime (like the Empire Griffon and Lizardman Carnosaur included bits for an HQ option); could also eliminate the Parasite all together and just make it a winged strain of the Prime since the Shrikes will be in there. A kit like the Crypt Horros/Vargheists comes to mind for scale and pricing.

Tyrant Guard/Hive Guard - May be wish-listing, but they really need to be plastic to include all the options, and it's likely Hive Guard get two firing modes.

Lictor/Deathleaper(/possibly Venomthrope) - Perhaps a slightly beefier, more dynamic model. I think of the Tau Broadside kit, only a tad smaller (and hopefully cheaper). Maybe he becomes a hybrid kit with a new unit? With the basic torso structure and feeder tendrils head, I could stretch my imagination to even see them coming up with some way to make this a dual kit with Venomthropes.

Zoanthrope/new thing(/possibly Venomthrope) - This would be a pretty dynamic dual kit if they pulled it off. Short of the torso and tail, everything else would have to be different. If GW does this, I imagine they will make a lot of unique parts that are impossible to bits order to prevent people from getting too much value from such a kit. Or Zoanthropes may just be on their own, or have two different strains in the new codex, and the Venomthropes could be paired with the Lictor (reaching, but hey).

Biovore/Pyrovore - 2 or even 3 plastic Tyranid artillery pieces in one kit? Yes please. Speculation has included a slightly different role for the Pyrovore, up to an including different firing modes, or as an upgrade purchase to another brood to avoid eating up precious Elites slots.

Harpy/other flyer - Self explanatory.

Mycetic Spore/other thing - Self explanatory.

Plastic Broodlord - Clam shell. Now I'm just dreaming...

Something entirely new - GW just can't re$i$t.

That would mean 8 kits and a few shells if they were to seriously try and convert everything to plastic. Perhaps two months, with 4 kits and a shell in each. I also expect less in the way of Supplements for Tyranids, while expecting more for Eldar and Chaos Space Marines to bring some of their older kits to plastic as well.

Any predictions for completely new units, i.e. not those that just need a model? I honestly can't see us getting another big bug considering all of our current ones fill all the roles you would want.

Big transport bug like a land raider you can assault out of is the one I think we'll see, doubling up with the spore kit.

And a flying monstrous creature to go with the Harpy kit is likely, probably focusing on anti-air.