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 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people.

Hilarious. You are always entertaining, and that above rambling is a good example of some of your more entertaining, well, rambling. No facts, no justification, just 'they feel different and are associated with these things because I say so'.

 motyak wrote:

I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people.

Hilarious. You are always entertaining, and that above rambling is a good example of some of your more entertaining, well, rambling. No facts, no justification, just 'they feel different and are associated with these things because I say so'.

Yeah, Inquisitor Ehrenstein use to infuriate me but I've gotten so use to his weird behaviour that I just find it amusing now.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 motyak wrote:

I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people.

Hilarious. You are always entertaining, and that above rambling is a good example of some of your more entertaining, well, rambling. No facts, no justification, just 'they feel different and are associated with these things because I say so'.

Yeah, Inquisitor Ehrenstein use to infuriate me but I've gotten so use to his weird behaviour that I just find it amusing now.

Its a definite sine wave I reckon. I went through the initial annoyed stage, found peace, and now I've come full circle back to annoyed.

 motyak wrote:

I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people.

Hilarious. You are always entertaining, and that above rambling is a good example of some of your more entertaining, well, rambling. No facts, no justification, just 'they feel different and are associated with these things because I say so'.

I have actual basis for most of these things, but I'm not going to bore you and waste time going over volumes of accumulated psychological knowledge for a fething forum post.


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 Cheesecat wrote:

 motyak wrote:

I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people.

Hilarious. You are always entertaining, and that above rambling is a good example of some of your more entertaining, well, rambling. No facts, no justification, just 'they feel different and are associated with these things because I say so'.

Yeah, Inquisitor Ehrenstein use to infuriate me but I've gotten so use to his weird behaviour that I just find it amusing now.

LOL. Ableist .

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 motyak wrote:

I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people.

Hilarious. You are always entertaining, and that above rambling is a good example of some of your more entertaining, well, rambling. No facts, no justification, just 'they feel different and are associated with these things because I say so'.

I have actual basis for most of these things, but I'm not going to bore you and waste time going over volumes of accumulated psychological knowledge for a fething forum post.

Just throw out the links to the peer reviewed journal articles then. I'll wait. I don't need you to go over "volumes of accumulated psychological knowledge", I can interpret psychological statistics just fine, I just want you to supply the articles.

Ooooooo a challenge had been laid out

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
It is logical that "suffering" is relative: someone's end of the world may just be a day in the life for someone else.

It still does not give any good reason to say "Hey, talk about you suffering? You should have seen what I went through!"

Sounds too much like blame the victim or belittle their pain.

I guess I think that "cyber-bullying" is just one element of many for attacking a person and that more is there that they cannot "turn away from".

The idea of "proportional suffering" seems like a fallacy for justifying things like crying over getting an "ugly black iphone." If someone does that, I think we would all feel comfortable telling them to grow up.

I do take cyberbullying seriously. Someone from Germany thought it would be funny to cyberbully Dark Emperor.

I had been thinking about this for a while. proportional suffering isn't a fallacy, people have their own issues and deal with them in their own ways. This is why there are so many self-help books, and why the Chicken Soup for the X series is so popular and being sold. There might be a jewish family in a concentration camp fearing for their lives, knowing they may never see freedom, and then there is Alfndrate who owes various banks and federal governments several thousand dollars. Every month I wonder, "will this be the month when I finally go under?" and become unable to make my student loan payments. I live in fear of fething my credit score to nothing in an instant. I live in fear of becoming a burden on my friends and family because of the debt that I'm in, and wondering what I'll look like covered in grime living in a box down by the river. Does the Jewish family's suffering make my own personal suffering and fear any less relevant to me? No, so please stop bringing up this stuff about "first world problems" and how we're "whining" about things that don't matter.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

Well, according to internet law we can now assume Ehrenstein is a virgin.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:


I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

Words cannot describe how idiotic that sounds. Near complete bull-excrement.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people

Might want to start pointing that radar inwards dude, you'll find some really odd stuff.

@ Ehrenstein The Toupee fallacy? Do you even know what you are referencing or do you just skim the outline Google gives?

Are you saying that you do not have a virgindar?

Perhaps you meant to invoke {sturmkrieg user/friend/imaginary friend] law?

 Mr. Burning wrote:
@ Ehrenstein The Toupee fallacy? Do you even know what you are referencing or do you just skim the outline Google gives?

Are you saying that you do not have a virgindar?

Perhaps you meant to invoke {sturmkrieg user/friend/imaginary friend] law?

What's the last part there?


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 Soladrin wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

Well, according to internet law we can now assume Ehrenstein is a virgin.

Calling a rape victim of virgin. Do you know what a total piece of that makes you?


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 Alfndrate wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
It is logical that "suffering" is relative: someone's end of the world may just be a day in the life for someone else.

It still does not give any good reason to say "Hey, talk about you suffering? You should have seen what I went through!"

Sounds too much like blame the victim or belittle their pain.

I guess I think that "cyber-bullying" is just one element of many for attacking a person and that more is there that they cannot "turn away from".

The idea of "proportional suffering" seems like a fallacy for justifying things like crying over getting an "ugly black iphone." If someone does that, I think we would all feel comfortable telling them to grow up.

I do take cyberbullying seriously. Someone from Germany thought it would be funny to cyberbully Dark Emperor.

I had been thinking about this for a while. proportional suffering isn't a fallacy, people have their own issues and deal with them in their own ways. This is why there are so many self-help books, and why the Chicken Soup for the X series is so popular and being sold. There might be a jewish family in a concentration camp fearing for their lives, knowing they may never see freedom, and then there is Alfndrate who owes various banks and federal governments several thousand dollars. Every month I wonder, "will this be the month when I finally go under?" and become unable to make my student loan payments. I live in fear of fething my credit score to nothing in an instant. I live in fear of becoming a burden on my friends and family because of the debt that I'm in, and wondering what I'll look like covered in grime living in a box down by the river. Does the Jewish family's suffering make my own personal suffering and fear any less relevant to me? No, so please stop bringing up this stuff about "first world problems" and how we're "whining" about things that don't matter.

You still have problems that aren't as severe. If proportional suffering is real, than it's just as serious a problem when a girl gets an "ugly black iphone."

You are a funny old stick.

 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

It's probably because those are the only one's I can actually see. Other's don't get noticed.


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 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

It's probably because those are the only one's I can actually see. Other's don't get noticed.


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 Mr. Burning wrote:
You are a funny old stick.

You mind telling what the that's supposed to mean?

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

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 Soladrin wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

Well, according to internet law we can now assume Ehrenstein is a virgin.

Calling a rape victim of virgin. Do you know what a total piece of that makes you?

Err, come again? Either you read something that you imagined was in his post, or you're expecting him to be a psychic. Either way, your insult is unjust.

Calm down old bean.

You are just a bit odd with your posting sometimes.

That rape thing came from left field.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
What's the last part there?

He was talking about "dondrekhan's law" that you mentioned in a single post after purplefood Ehrenstein'd the thread.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Calling a rape victim of virgin. Do you know what a total piece of that makes you?

wtf? This doesn't even make sense, unless of course you were a victim of rape, in which case, we would have no fething clue... That handle over there in the corner? Dude, you just flew off it.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
You still have problems that aren't as severe. If proportional suffering is real, than it's just as serious a problem when a girl gets an "ugly black iphone."

But my problems are just as relevant as someone else's problems, handwaving one person's issues and basically saying, "the holocaust was worst" is ludicrous, OF COURSE IT WAS WORSE, it doesn't invalidate my "suffering"

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
What's the last part there?

He was talking about "dondrekhan's law" that you mentioned in a single post after purplefood Ehrenstein'd the thread.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Calling a rape victim of virgin. Do you know what a total piece of that makes you?

wtf? This doesn't even make sense, unless of course you were a victim of rape, in which case, we would have no fething clue... That handle over there in the corner? Dude, you just flew off it.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
You still have problems that aren't as severe. If proportional suffering is real, than it's just as serious a problem when a girl gets an "ugly black iphone."

But my problems are just as relevant as someone else's problems, handwaving one person's issues and basically saying, "the holocaust was worst" is ludicrous, OF COURSE IT WAS WORSE, it doesn't invalidate my "suffering"

Oh yes. Is this when I said that the number of times he calls people virgins or uses it as some sort of casual insult brings his experience into question?

I was taken advantage of while blacked out, so yes, technically... And I feel ashamed of it in a way.

Yes, that's true, and I don't dismiss problems as not as bad as the Holocaust, but it's still not as bad and you can't say that it somehow feels as bad just because you haven't experienced the Holocaust.

this cyber bullying is the same as normal bullying, with INVOLVED mature, proactive parenting, its not an issue.

Problem is, now we have a generation of complete wussies, raising a generation of even wussier wusses... who would never dream of sticking to their guns and actually taking away computer/tv privilages or grounding their precious little snowflake who is only a bully becuse sociaty failed them.

when I was a kid, if there was a bully beating you up/picking on you, you fought back or stood up for yourself and he stopped, if that didnt work, get the parents/teachers involved and they would talk to his parents, and it would stop, because those parents would discipline their child. If the adults are DISCIPLINING the bullies properly, then they will learn that their behavior is unacceptable, and that there are consequences for their actions.

Its all this "oh its not little jimmies fault hes a bully, society is failing him, and so is the internet" and other such excuses. Followed up of course, with no proper disciplinary actions.

So what I see all to often is child A will bully child B, constantly, and often very cruelly, child B will seek out help from adults, and either not get any, or get some half arsed solution that doesnt discipline the bully at all, and only serves to single out the kid being bullied

now with cyber bullying, if you dont like what someone is saying to you... its called /ignore, or choosing not to expose yourself to the particular site that is allowing you to be "bullied"

even then though, there needs to be proper and strict disciplinary actions to get the bully in line.

all this feel good do nothing parenting wont work, sometimes kids need a good spanking/grounding/ect to get the point across that their negative actions have negative consequences

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:


Yes, that's true, and I don't dismiss problems as not as bad as the Holocaust, but it's still not as bad and you can't say that it somehow feels as bad just because you haven't experienced the Holocaust.

Suffering is relative (and that doesn't mean I am not aware of crimes against humanity). if you cannot see that then there is no point continuing especially when you are probably the only one referencing the holocaust with regards to this subject.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Oh yes. Is this when I said that the number of times he calls people virgins or uses it as some sort of casual insult brings his experience into question?

Yes

I was taken advantage of while blacked out, so yes, technically... And I feel ashamed of it in a way.

Well, you can't blame any of us for not knowing a dark personal history of you man. As someone that has been down a similar road, don't let it define you and you can learn to get over such things, and in time it will get better, but there's no reason to get angry at someone for not knowing your personal history.

Yes, that's true, and I don't dismiss problems as not as bad as the Holocaust, but it's still not as bad and you can't say that it somehow feels as bad just because you haven't experienced the Holocaust.

You said that kids who killed themselves over bulling didn't know true suffering and then made a reference to the holocaust... And while people that haven't experienced that level of suffering should not have their own suffering invalidated because it wasn't as bad as x, y, or z event.

 easysauce wrote:

Spoiler:

this cyber bullying is the same as normal bullying, with INVOLVED mature, proactive parenting, its not an issue.

Problem is, now we have a generation of complete wussies, raising a generation of even wussier wusses... who would never dream of sticking to their guns and actually taking away computer/tv privilages or grounding their precious little snowflake who is only a bully becuse sociaty failed them.

when I was a kid, if there was a bully beating you up/picking on you, you fought back or stood up for yourself and he stopped, if that didnt work, get the parents/teachers involved and they would talk to his parents, and it would stop, because those parents would discipline their child. If the adults are DISCIPLINING the bullies properly, then they will learn that their behavior is unacceptable, and that there are consequences for their actions.

Its all this "oh its not little jimmies fault hes a bully, society is failing him, and so is the internet" and other such excuses. Followed up of course, with no proper disciplinary actions.

So what I see all to often is child A will bully child B, constantly, and often very cruelly, child B will seek out help from adults, and either not get any, or get some half arsed solution that doesnt discipline the bully at all, and only serves to single out the kid being bullied

now with cyber bullying, if you dont like what someone is saying to you... its called /ignore, or choosing not to expose yourself to the particular site that is allowing you to be "bullied"

even then though, there needs to be proper and strict disciplinary actions to get the bully in line.

all this feel good do nothing parenting wont work, sometimes kids need a good spanking/grounding/ect to get the point across that their negative actions have negative consequences

Heh... "wussier wusses". That was funny...

Yep... what you said. :fist bump:

 easysauce wrote:
this cyber bullying is the same as normal bullying, with INVOLVED mature, proactive parenting, its not an issue.

Problem is, now we have a generation of complete wussies, raising a generation of even wussier wusses... who would never dream of sticking to their guns and actually taking away computer/tv privilages or grounding their precious little snowflake who is only a bully becuse sociaty failed them.

when I was a kid, if there was a bully beating you up/picking on you, you fought back or stood up for yourself and he stopped, if that didnt work, get the parents/teachers involved and they would talk to his parents, and it would stop, because those parents would discipline their child. If the adults are DISCIPLINING the bullies properly, then they will learn that their behavior is unacceptable, and that there are consequences for their actions.

Its all this "oh its not little jimmies fault hes a bully, society is failing him, and so is the internet" and other such excuses. Followed up of course, with no proper disciplinary actions.

So what I see all to often is child A will bully child B, constantly, and often very cruelly, child B will seek out help from adults, and either not get any, or get some half arsed solution that doesnt discipline the bully at all, and only serves to single out the kid being bullied

now with cyber bullying, if you dont like what someone is saying to you... its called /ignore, or choosing not to expose yourself to the particular site that is allowing you to be "bullied"

even then though, there needs to be proper and strict disciplinary actions to get the bully in line.

all this feel good do nothing parenting wont work, sometimes kids need a good spanking/grounding/ect to get the point across that their negative actions have negative consequences

It isn't just parents though, a change to the values you propose would need to be actioned across a wide spectrum of society.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
this cyber bullying is the same as normal bullying, with INVOLVED mature, proactive parenting, its not an issue.

Problem is, now we have a generation of complete wussies, raising a generation of even wussier wusses... who would never dream of sticking to their guns and actually taking away computer/tv privilages or grounding their precious little snowflake who is only a bully becuse sociaty failed them.

when I was a kid, if there was a bully beating you up/picking on you, you fought back or stood up for yourself and he stopped, if that didnt work, get the parents/teachers involved and they would talk to his parents, and it would stop, because those parents would discipline their child. If the adults are DISCIPLINING the bullies properly, then they will learn that their behavior is unacceptable, and that there are consequences for their actions.

Its all this "oh its not little jimmies fault hes a bully, society is failing him, and so is the internet" and other such excuses. Followed up of course, with no proper disciplinary actions.

So what I see all to often is child A will bully child B, constantly, and often very cruelly, child B will seek out help from adults, and either not get any, or get some half arsed solution that doesnt discipline the bully at all, and only serves to single out the kid being bullied

now with cyber bullying, if you dont like what someone is saying to you... its called /ignore, or choosing not to expose yourself to the particular site that is allowing you to be "bullied"

even then though, there needs to be proper and strict disciplinary actions to get the bully in line.

all this feel good do nothing parenting wont work, sometimes kids need a good spanking/grounding/ect to get the point across that their negative actions have negative consequences

It isn't just parents though, a change to the values you propose would need to be actioned across a wide spectrum of society.

NO!

Emphatically... NO!

It starts with parenting/adults.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
It isn't just parents though, a change to the values you propose would need to be actioned across a wide spectrum of society.

parents/adults in general need to learn how to discipline children effectively/consitantly, but its not societies fault, we have to stop blaming "society" for everything... society is just a collection of individuals, and their individual actions/attitudes.

We need to realise that individuals make the society, society does not make the individuals.

despite people hammering that they are "forced" or made a certain way by society, its complete BS, and more of the "im not accountable for anything" attitude.

The biggest problem, is that the kids who DO speak up and ask for help, they do not get it, and by asking for help they are now painted with a big target.


so we have taught them, hey, you are on your own, parents/teachers/adults cannot help you, so dont even ask for help. Take it like the helpless little beeatch you are, because you are all alone, your parents wont help you, and neither will anyone else.

I could see how a teacher could not want to get invlolved, what with haveing no paddling anymore and basically being very vunerable to legal reprimand even for doing the right thing (like say disciplining a bully properly),

but the buck stops at the parents, if parents cannot effectively handle a bully, then they are not effective parents. Cant use the society excuse, the buck stops at the parents. If kids cant talk to their parents and ask for help, there has been a parenting failure, not a societal one.

 easysauce wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
It isn't just parents though, a change to the values you propose would need to be actioned across a wide spectrum of society.

parents/adults in general need to learn how to discipline children effectively/consitantly, but its not societies fault, we have to stop blaming "society" for everything... society is just a collection of individuals, and their individual actions/attitudes.

We need to realise that individuals make the society, society does not make the individuals.

despite people hammering that they are "forced" or made a certain way by society, its complete BS, and more of the "im not accountable for anything" attitude.

The biggest problem, is that the kids who DO speak up and ask for help, they do not get it, and by asking for help they are now painted with a big target.


so we have taught them, hey, you are on your own, parents/teachers/adults cannot help you, so dont even ask for help. Take it like the helpless little beeatch you are, because you are all alone, your parents wont help you, and neither will anyone else.

I could see how a teacher could not want to get invlolved, what with haveing no paddling anymore and basically being very vunerable to legal reprimand even for doing the right thing (like say disciplining a bully properly),

but the buck stops at the parents, if parents cannot effectively handle a bully, then they are not effective parents. Cant use the society excuse, the buck stops at the parents. If kids cant talk to their parents and ask for help, there has been a parenting failure, not a societal one.

I agree to a point but society has been moulded into believing in the snowflake generation. Parents would need to affect change otherwise smacking kids and discipline will mean a trip to the local constabulary.

Most parents have a real fear, generated by the media and by very real changes made to society , of anything which can affect them or makes them look like a bad parent.

I do wholeheartedly agree that parents should suck it up and actually look after their children.



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 whembly wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
this cyber bullying is the same as normal bullying, with INVOLVED mature, proactive parenting, its not an issue.

Problem is, now we have a generation of complete wussies, raising a generation of even wussier wusses... who would never dream of sticking to their guns and actually taking away computer/tv privilages or grounding their precious little snowflake who is only a bully becuse sociaty failed them.

when I was a kid, if there was a bully beating you up/picking on you, you fought back or stood up for yourself and he stopped, if that didnt work, get the parents/teachers involved and they would talk to his parents, and it would stop, because those parents would discipline their child. If the adults are DISCIPLINING the bullies properly, then they will learn that their behavior is unacceptable, and that there are consequences for their actions.

Its all this "oh its not little jimmies fault hes a bully, society is failing him, and so is the internet" and other such excuses. Followed up of course, with no proper disciplinary actions.

So what I see all to often is child A will bully child B, constantly, and often very cruelly, child B will seek out help from adults, and either not get any, or get some half arsed solution that doesnt discipline the bully at all, and only serves to single out the kid being bullied

now with cyber bullying, if you dont like what someone is saying to you... its called /ignore, or choosing not to expose yourself to the particular site that is allowing you to be "bullied"

even then though, there needs to be proper and strict disciplinary actions to get the bully in line.

all this feel good do nothing parenting wont work, sometimes kids need a good spanking/grounding/ect to get the point across that their negative actions have negative consequences

It isn't just parents though, a change to the values you propose would need to be actioned across a wide spectrum of society.

NO!

Emphatically... NO!

It starts with parenting/adults.

It may start with parents but you need changes in the special snowflake society the kids will be exposed too.

 easysauce wrote:

I was just thinking about that scene!

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
While I agree that this isn't the place for the discussion, I think that a paradigm shift takes place after one first makes sweet, sweet love.

I actually very strongly agree. At the same time, I also realize that having one's first time isn't what desperate people think it's going to be and doesn't change any social problems or future potential for . I do think though that it changes subtle aspects of one's appearance or personality that improve overall maturity. This is subject to the Tupee Fallacy just from observation, but virgins tend to have some less mature, younger, or odd quality about them that I can't really describe. Strangeness and effeminacy strike me as being part of it. I have a bit of a radar for detecting oddness in people. It's always based on strangeness I can't easily identify, but when I focus I can usually find specific qualities.

That's absolute arse gravy of the highest order.
Actually that entire post is arse gravy of the highest order.

It's probably because those are the only one's I can actually see. Other's don't get noticed.

That's bollocks.
Thee's no physical change after having sex for the first time. There may be change if you have had sex for the first time during puberty but that's nothing to do with sex. Saying that people change because they have had sex for the first time is absolute nonsense. You might as well claim people are criminals because they are born that way.