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To some the movie may be old news, but I think this may very well be worth talking about.

Obviously comic book level Kryptonians with their faster than light motion and planet busting strength would slaughter a Primarch before they could blink, but the more recent movie I think has a power level more in line with what a Primarch can handle.

So for sample fights, how about...

Roboute Guilliman vs Superman

Sanguinus vs General Zod (after he mastered his powers)

Pre-Chaos Horus vs Faora-Ul

Pre-Chaos Angron vs Nam-Ek (the big guy)

Horus, Roboute, Sanguinus, and Angron (no chaos power for any of them) vs Superman, Zod, Faora-Ul, and Nam-Ek simultaneously.

This is generally high end interpretations of Primarchs against the higher end calculations for the abilities of the Kryptonians. And assume that if Faora and Nam-ek get their helmets busted they'll start getting Zod and Superman's powers if left unmolested for too long.

Edit: They are fighting on earth just to clarify.

The primarchs get a day in advance to prepare with a copy of man of steel to watch to analyze for weaknesses and set up battle plans and strategies and refurbish equipment..

For what the Kryptonians can do in the movie here's them in combat (spoilers):

Unless Psykers count as magic then this is going to be a slaughter...

Easy answer: the primarchs, since we're talking hyperintellegent and tactical... and there's no guarantee that they will end up fighting under a yellow sun.

Hmmm..... I never thought of this. Now I have a good idea how a Primarch can act in real life. Take away the flying and being invincible and they could very well be Primarchs without Power Armour.

Agree with Zande4. If we're talking physical combat then the primarchs will be torn to pieces.

Dronze wrote:
Easy answer: the primarchs, since we're talking hyperintellegent and tactical... and there's no guarantee that they will end up fighting under a yellow sun.

It'd be silly to have them fighting off Earth, otherwise they'd just be stormtrooper equivalents at best.

 Kain wrote:

Dronze wrote:
Easy answer: the primarchs, since we're talking hyperintellegent and tactical... and there's no guarantee that they will end up fighting under a yellow sun.

It'd be silly to have them fighting off Earth, otherwise they'd just be stormtrooper equivalents at best.

So wait, the Primarch's main strength is their tactical genius, but they are not allowed to use it, while Superman is completely immune from anything that might weaken him?

I call BS.

If you want them to square off, let them use their abilities and everything at their disposal, don't stack the deck for the people you want to win.

 curran12 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Dronze wrote:
Easy answer: the primarchs, since we're talking hyperintellegent and tactical... and there's no guarantee that they will end up fighting under a yellow sun.

It'd be silly to have them fighting off Earth, otherwise they'd just be stormtrooper equivalents at best.

So wait, the Primarch's main strength is their tactical genius, but they are not allowed to use it, while Superman is completely immune from anything that might weaken him?

I call BS.

If you want them to square off, let them use their abilities and everything at their disposal, don't stack the deck for the people you want to win.

How would fighting on Earth not let the Primarchs use their tactical genius?

Having them fight *off* Earth makes using Kryptonians pointless as they have no powers in a Kryptonian environment.

But I decided to give the Primarchs prep time.

And note that these are from the movie, not the comic book as comic book DC is quite frankly absurdly powerful compared to other settings short of Marvel.

Primarchs, easily. Kryptonians have massively crippling weaknesses that the Primarchs could easily exploit, the Primarchs don't. Also Kryptonians have no defence against psykers so Magnus could crush them, Leman Russ could if he used his psychic power for anything other than his shout, and Lorgar, Sanguinius and Konrad Curze all had latent psychic abilities manifesting as foresight, but I don't know if they actually used their power for anything else. I think Corax had psychic power as well but only used it for stealth.

Seeing as how what appears to be a fairly common rock that everyone and their dog in the DC universe seems to posses weakens a kryptonian to he point that an anemic grot could turkeyslap them to death, I'd say he primarch would win

I would hope the Primarchs would be smart enough to take the fight somewhere that doesn't have a yellow sun. Taking away their advantage would be helpful.

The Primarchs would roll over the movie Kryptonians like a wave over a beach.

Superman was knocked out by a building.

Angron had a building fall on him and he dug himself out. He also survived a mountain exploding and burying him in False Gods, and proceeded to burst from under it.

These movie Krpytonians can not compete.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Primarchs would roll over the movie Kryptonians like a wave over a beach.

Superman was knocked out by a building.

Angron had a building fall on him and he dug himself out. He also survived a mountain exploding and burying him in False Gods, and proceeded to burst from under it.

These movie Krpytonians can not compete.

Kryptonian power levels seem to wildly vary depending on who's writing, Justice League Superman seems like such a wimp compared to comic book Superman.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Primarchs would roll over the movie Kryptonians like a wave over a beach.

Superman was knocked out by a building.

Angron had a building fall on him and he dug himself out. He also survived a mountain exploding and burying him in False Gods, and proceeded to burst from under it.

These movie Krpytonians can not compete.

Kryptonian power levels seem to wildly vary depending on who's writing, Justice League Superman seems like such a wimp compared to comic book Superman.

Adaptations of comic books as a rule tone them down from their comic book origins.

Which is why Superman can't bench press the Earth for five days straight in Man of Steel (the version we're using).

With prep time the primarch would most likely yust make weapons using kryptonite and easily kill themm with that.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

Kryptonian power levels seem to wildly vary depending on who's writing, Justice League Superman seems like such a wimp compared to comic book Superman.

I guess it is a good thing this is just Man of Steel Superman then, lol.

Comic book Superman could crush anything in the 40k universe short of arguably particularly potent telepaths, or some of the more legitimate deities such as the Chaos Gods or C'tan.

Superman from the older movies or Returns are likewise relatively closer to this level of power, with impressive feats like FTL flight or lifting a small country while suffering under the effects of Kryptonite.

Man of Steel Superman is far below this level of power though, and not sufficient to defeat a Primarch, except maybe Lorgar when he was a bitch.

Guilliman isn't really one of the more formidable Primarchs, but he did resist Angron for a time, and better than I'd expect Clark to.

Sanguinius rolls through Zod, he is not merely one of the more martially adept Primarchs, but he is also a fairly powerful psyker (IMO he takes third in terms of Primarch psychic ability, behind Magnus and Lorgar) , capable of enhancing his physical abilities mentally, telekinetically guiding a falling Battle Barge into a safe landing onto the surface of a planet, and cool stuff like that.

Horus was always one of the stronger Primarchs.

Angron friggin' crushes Nam-Ek, lol.

Officetemp wrote:
Seeing as how what appears to be a fairly common rock that everyone and their dog in the DC universe seems to posses weakens a kryptonian to he point that an anemic grot could turkeyslap them to death, I'd say he primarch would win

This. Seriously kryptonite is common as dirt according to the comics...

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:

Kryptonian power levels seem to wildly vary depending on who's writing, Justice League Superman seems like such a wimp compared to comic book Superman.

I guess it is a good thing this is just Man of Steel Superman then, lol.

Comic book Superman could crush anything in the 40k universe short of arguably particularly potent telepaths, or some of the more legitimate deities such as the Chaos Gods or C'tan.

Superman from the older movies or Returns are likewise relatively closer to this level of power, with impressive feats like FTL flight or lifting a small country while suffering under the effects of Kryptonite.

Man of Steel Superman is far below this level of power though, and not sufficient to defeat a Primarch, except maybe Lorgar when he was a bitch.

Guilliman isn't really one of the more formidable Primarchs, but he did resist Angron for a time, and better than I'd expect Clark to.

Sanguinius rolls through Zod, he is not merely one of the more martially adept Primarchs, but he is also a fairly powerful psyker (IMO he takes third in terms of Primarch psychic ability, behind Magnus and Lorgar) , capable of enhancing his physical abilities mentally, telekinetically guiding a falling Battle Barge into a safe landing onto the surface of a planet, and cool stuff like that.

Horus was always one of the stronger Primarchs.

Angron friggin' crushes Nam-Ek, lol.

Pre Crisis super man is the super ridiculous "flies backwards fast enough to reverse time" what..? and "strapped a chain around 9 planets and towed them away from a dying sun". Where as the modern comic book adaption "Post Crisis" is more on par with the movie.

In a physical fight the Primarchs would be crushed utterly unless I that Psykers are the same as being magic in the DC universe which is a huge weakness for Supes without his special sauce suit.

Now Primarchs with prep is another thing considering both Batman and Lex Luthor have beaten insane overpowered comic book Supes plenty of times just by using some sort of Kryptonite device and I pretty much just imagined the Primarchs as a super version of Batman with awesome millitary prowess. Hell Predator almost killed Supes using some unnamed alien virus so it doesn't even have to be Kryptonite.

Primarchs without prep - Auto-lose
Primarchs with prep - Auto-win

Batman can beat Superman (happened plenty of times in the comics), Kurze is the Primarch Batman, therefore Kurze can beat Superman.

If Kurze can, at least half of the other Primarchs can too.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Batman can beat Superman (happened plenty of times in the comics)

This is false.

Batman has never beaten Superman in a canon comic.


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 Zande4 wrote:

Pre Crisis super man is the super ridiculous "flies backwards fast enough to reverse time" what..? and "strapped a chain around 9 planets and towed them away from a dying sun". Where as the modern comic book adaption "Post Crisis" is more on par with the movie.

No, that happened in Superman, the movie.

Post-crisis Superman can be caught in between the collision of two planets and survive. Man of Steel Superman is KO'd by a building hitting him in the face.

In a physical fight the Primarchs would be crushed utterly unless I that Psykers are the same as being magic in the DC universe which is a huge weakness for Supes without his special sauce suit.

In a physical fight the Primarchs would rip Superman in half and eat him, actually. I've proven this to be true.

Angron survived a mountain exploding and collapsing on him, and in little time he burst forth from under the rubble, with such intensity that Loken thought another bomb went off.

Now Primarchs with prep is another thing considering both Batman and Lex Luthor have beaten insane overpowered comic book Supes plenty of times just by using some sort of Kryptonite device and I pretty much just imagined the Primarchs as a super version of Batman with awesome millitary prowess. Hell Predator almost killed Supes using some unnamed alien virus so it doesn't even have to be Kryptonite.

Primarchs without prep - Auto-lose
Primarchs with prep - Auto-win

They don't need prep.

Superman within the MAn of Steel movie is unceremoniously crushed.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Batman can beat Superman (happened plenty of times in the comics)

This is false.

Batman has never beaten Superman in a canon comic.

Game, set and match, petre. Exalted.

 Kain wrote:

Dronze wrote:
Easy answer: the primarchs, since we're talking hyperintellegent and tactical... and there's no guarantee that they will end up fighting under a yellow sun.

It'd be silly to have them fighting off Earth, otherwise they'd just be stormtrooper equivalents at best.

How would this be silly? The primarchs, barring rogal dorn, didn't really spend much time on terra at all until horus's siege, and even then, not all of them bothered to show up. Sorry, but DC's original mary sue doesn't get much traction here. Even on earth, the primarchs just need to lure Mr. Underwear-on-the-outside and friends into the webway, string them up, and leave them for the dark eldar to find. I'm sure the sons and daughters of Commorragh would have a field day there.

Dronze wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Dronze wrote:
Easy answer: the primarchs, since we're talking hyperintellegent and tactical... and there's no guarantee that they will end up fighting under a yellow sun.

It'd be silly to have them fighting off Earth, otherwise they'd just be stormtrooper equivalents at best.

How would this be silly? The primarchs, barring rogal dorn, didn't really spend much time on terra at all until horus's siege, and even then, not all of them bothered to show up. Sorry, but DC's original mary sue doesn't get much traction here. Even on earth, the primarchs just need to lure Mr. Underwear-on-the-outside and friends into the webway, string them up, and leave them for the dark eldar to find. I'm sure the sons and daughters of Commorragh would have a field day there.

Using a character in a battlefield that specifically denies them of their powers means there was no point in using the character in the first place.

And the usage of "Earth" rather than Terra should have been indicative that this is modern Earth, not holy Terra.

This is a straight up, "who would win in a fight" meaning any implausibilities of the two meeting are handwaved by the random omnipotent being of the week, this isn't "Kryptonians are dropped on Terra, what do?"

As for calling Kal-El a Mary sue, Mary Sue largely has to do with gratuitously being shoehorned into a setting and having it warp around them despite doing nothing to earn it. The DC universe was literally built upon the original seven members of the justice league.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Man of Steel Superman is KO'd by a building hitting him in the face.

When was that? I don't remember that bit.

At any rate, the postulation that a Primarch could physically defeat MoS Superman is absurd. You are taking the Primarchs' top-end feats and comparing them to Superman's lowest feats. What about the fact that he held up a giant burning oil rig tower, and was powerful enough to endure and destroy a gravitation weapon that was levelling a major city while he was weakened by kryptonian atmosphere? What about the fact that he outraced the pull of a black hole? What about the fact that he has such a massive speed advantage that the Primarchs would never be able to hit him, even if he chose not to just fly up and burn them to death from a safe distance?

tgjensen wrote:

When was that? I don't remember that bit.

A tower from the ship KOs him.

At any rate, the postulation that a Primarch could physically defeat MoS Superman is absurd.

Based on what?

You are taking the Primarchs' top-end feats and comparing them to Superman's lowest feats. What about the fact that he held up a giant burning oil rig tower,

That isn't as impressive as Angron bursting out from under a mountain.

and was powerful enough to endure and destroy a gravitation weapon that was levelling a major city while he was weakened by kryptonian atmosphere?

Reminds me of that time Vulkan took a macron cannon to the face and endured it, or the time Lorgar took a Plasma Blast Gun to the face and survived it. Or the time Konrad Curze was sent to the core of Nostramo as a child and crawled out.

Hey, remember when Nam-Ek was wounded by military-grade machine-guns? Or Faora was KO'd by a missile?

Also, the gravitation weapon was leveling a major city slowly.

What about the fact that he outraced the pull of a black hole?

That wasn't a black hole, unless Lois Lane can also resist the pull of a black hole.

What about the fact that he has such a massive speed advantage that the Primarchs would never be able to hit him, even if he chose not to just fly up and burn them to death from a safe distance?

Flight is Superman's only advantage in this fight, and it means diddly against Sanguinius.

Speed? Primarchs move so fast that Space Marines that can deflect and evade bolt rounds or other projectiles can't perceive their movements.

Faora was K.O'd by sensory overload from the missile, not by it's physical force. You can see her helmet's starting to malfunction from all the times Clark konked her in the head. Of course a Primarch could do the same and follow up with a Hulk style thunderclap to put her out.

As for Nam-ek, I only see him being pushed around by the GAu-8s of the A-10s, I don't actually see any blood coming out or even damage to his suit. He certainly seems fine enough to jump after the offending A-10 and put the pilot's insides on his outsides.

Just clarifying, not actually taking a side here.

Nam-Ek was indeed not put out of commission by those guns, but he felt the blows.

You may be right on Faora, I can't remember exactly how the scene played out.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Nam-Ek was indeed not put out of commission by those guns, but he felt the blows.

You may be right on Faora, I can't remember exactly how the scene played out.

Take a look at the videos I posted. You'll see her hard light helmet's starting to shine erratically like how Zod's was after Superman punched him repeatedly and she's already having the "oh my god I can see forever" reaction. Seconds before the missile impacted.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Nam-Ek was indeed not put out of commission by those guns, but he felt the blows.

You may be right on Faora, I can't remember exactly how the scene played out.

I think you might be exaggerating the Primarchs power a little bit they are very powerful don't get me wrong but what your'e describing makes them sound like a Dragon Ball Z character. Remember Rogal Dorn was overwhelmed by regular Marines and if I remember correctly both Horus and the Emperor have struggled in 1v1s against The Beast and Garkhul Blackfang and although they may have both been the biggest Orks in history this still is not the mountain hurling power you have described.

Also Supes falls through a mountain in that movie when learning to fly and does not have a scratch on him.

A Primarch is to a Space Marine what a Space Marine is to a Guardsmen. Superman is on a whole different level.

But as I said with prep the Primarchs can win quite easily not only against the Man of Steel Supes but probablyt Post-Crisis as well as beings less intelligent and less powerful such as Lex Luxthor, Batman, Predator (yes the one from the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie) have all done or at least come close to barring plot armour.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_vs._Predator
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gharkul_Blackfang#.UhNWSZIwerg
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Beast#.UhNWkZIwerg