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2013/08/28 11:48:38
Subject: New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: Telling it to your own kids is child abuse. There are good arguments that Hell itself is child abuse. The Jews don't believe in it. The fact that it doesn't come up until Judaism 2.0 (Christianity) is proof that it's just a human invention, assuming that the Jewish god (Yahweh/God/Allah) is real.
How is Hell child abuse? It's an "imaginary" place (so far as we have no proof it exists) that serves as a deterrant for doing bad behavior to people of a specific religion.
This is something I always found amusing when Athiests get all offended when you mention hell. I mean.. how can you be offended or threatened by something you don't believe exists.
GG
A) You can still be scared by something that isn't real. The bogeyman isn't real, but kids are still scared of him. Similarly Hell isn't real, but the concept of "a place you're sent to be punished if you're naughty" will still scare a young kid, and using the concept of hell to scare gay kids about how sinful they are is, to me, equivalent to going up to them and saying "you're going to be beaten up and tortured forever for what you are, you monster"
B) I'm an atheist, and I get offend when people (especially Christians) talk about hell, because they invariably refer to it in the "fire and brimstone" sense, whereas in the Bible it's only referred to as torment, which Is the torment of knowing you're not in heaven. The fire and brimstone version was a much later addition.
I so don't care if you're offended. Thats not even a logical argument. I'm not offended if you say "You're going straight to nothingness!!!" I just think you're an idiot, or a politician, but I repeat myself.
Are you referring to the first part of my post or the second part?
For the first part, just because that wouldn't affect you doesn't mean it won't affect a young child, or someone who's already struggling (maybe due to being called an abomination constantly). It's a form of blackmail aimed at forcing vulnerable people to mess themselves up even further by suppressing who they are, and I find it reprehensible.
For the second part, I used "offended" when "annoyed" would have been better, but I get annoyed by any cases of extreme stupidity, and people insisting that atheists are going to hell, when biblically Hell is living for eternity knowing that you're not in the presence of god, is really frisking stupid. It's like insisting that a vegetarian will be punished for being vegetarian by never being allowed to eat meat again; it's not a punishment, it's an empty threat made self-righteously by people not realising what a stupid comment they just made.
Especially if they use passages from the bible to "prove their point" about why the other person(s) is going to hell.
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2013/08/28 12:10:38
Subject: New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
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2013/08/28 12:34:52
Subject: New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
Feth left handed roundabouts... Had to drive through several in Nassau. Do you know how frustrating it is driving in a car designed for America (driver's seat on the left), and driving in a direction opposite to what you know?! I'm surprised we lived through that adventure.
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2013/08/28 12:40:49
Subject: New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
Noob. Check out the roundabout at the start of London Road in Benfleet on the A13 and A130. 5 mini roundabouts on one large roundabout - having driven round it I think it would be more confusing than the above. I would post a screenshot but I am at work and can't access hosting sites.
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2013/08/28 13:55:11
Subject: New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
They are mini-roundabouts for each exit. Thankfully only a handful of these kinds of "magic roundabouts" exist
Jesus...
Do accident's happen there much? o.O
I heard a study here in the states that roundabouts are safer than stoplight intersections...
It's actually pretty safe and AFAIK works well.
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2013/08/28 14:12:26
Subject: New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
I heard a study here in the states that roundabouts are safer than stoplight intersections...
It's actually pretty safe and AFAIK works well.
I would agree. It is just a little confusing if you have never seen one before. In fact they can be easier to navigate than some of the more... interesting intersection layouts I have seen. There is a roundabout in Oxford which I swear has no signposts on it and all the lanes are mis-labeled. It has at least one "through lane" (ie a lane which goes through the middle of the roundabout) and is just a horrific mess
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Looks nice and simple but it is a three lane roundabout, with each road coming onto it having between 2-4 lanes at the point they join the roundabout.
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Roundabouts (although we call them rotaries) are pretty common in the Northeast US. They can work well, if the traffic's not too heavy and the designers don't get over-elaborate. That "magic roundabout" looks challenging.
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generalgrog wrote: This is something I always found amusing when Athiests get all offended when you mention hell. I mean.. how can you be offended or threatened by something you don't believe exists.
Consider an atheist talking of an afterlife, which is a black nothingness with absolutely no God at all. It's just an empty place for bored spirits to wander, in which the ghosts of atheists spend all the time pointing out the complete lack of God and mocking the faithful, while the faithful spend their time sitting around thinking about how they were completely and utterly wrong about that whole God thing.
That atheist would, of course, be a self-congratulating little dill weed, and what's more he'd be talking about a place that makes no fething given the basic concepts of atheism.
Well, simply, that's the same problem many atheists have with the Christian notion of hell. It's a basically dishonest way of wishing harm on others, while being completely dishonest about the fact that you're wishing harm on others. "Oh, we're really good people and are actually trying to save you from this horrible fate that we made up and that we decided you're going to'.
And then on top of that there's the big problem of hell having next to no presence in the bible. For a religion based around the bible, making hell such a key part of how the faith is taught makes no sense.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/08/29 13:44:18
Subject: Re:New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
But isn't "hell" simply "not Heaven (or Paradise if you will)"?
I always thought that modern take on "The Hell" was derived from Dante's Inferno...
It goes back farther than that, but it's definitly vaguely sketched out at best in the bible. There is a reference to weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth, but that could be poetic license.
Catholic dogma no longer consideres hell to be a place, but rather a state of being. The idea is that it is simpy total and complete disconnect from God.
In the Gospel's, Christ talks about salvation from death, not from hell. Hell is mostly a construct based on the idea that many people do not have the moral complexity for anything other than a fear of punishment.
2013/08/29 15:38:21
Subject: Re:New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
Polonius wrote: Hell is mostly a construct based on the idea that many people do not have the moral complexity for anything other than a fear of punishment.
So hell does exist, but only for CEOs?
2013/08/29 15:48:34
Subject: Re:New Jersey to ban 'gay conversion therapy'
Polonius wrote: Hell is mostly a construct based on the idea that many people do not have the moral complexity for anything other than a fear of punishment.
So hell does exist, but only for CEOs?
And the roughly 1 in 200 people who are sociopaths. There's probably some overlap there, though.
