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2013/08/23 20:16:41
Subject: Re:Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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VD you have your perspective I have mine...
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BaconUprising wrote:Why the anger? I typed it quickly I don't see why that offends you so much... It's not petty hate. I said I enjoyed reading Russ being humbled. I really dislike space wolves as you have probably ascertained, I fail to see why this offends you so?
Because the thread is not about SW ....It is about fightning skills of primarchs...Stick to that...
O yeah, I like wolves and I'm biased, yadayadyada....I dislike one chapter ( nope, they are not the TS) and I never comment them...
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2013/08/23 20:25:54
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/08/23 20:19:06
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Then why are you attempting to enforce your opinion on ,me with your previous statement? What are you contributing to the thread?
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2013/08/23 20:22:08
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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BaconUprising wrote:Then why are you attempting to enforce your opinion on ,me with your previous statement? What are you contributing to the thread?
What opinion ??? Stick to the thread...damn, dude
Too many threads have gone "south" when we start to comment what we like and what we dislike....
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/08/23 20:30:35
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/08/23 20:31:42
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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I was responding to a comment within the thread. I'll do that if I want to, I don't require your permission.
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2013/08/23 20:35:17
Subject: Re:Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Yeah, you don't...But when threads are degraded into petty posts it pisses me off....
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/08/23 20:35:28
ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/08/23 20:36:20
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Petty. It wasn't petty at all the fact that your commenting on it is petty now drop it.
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2013/08/23 20:55:00
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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To get some semblance of the original topic back, The Lion couldn't even beat Luther (well, not as soundly as you'd expect a Primarch to walk though a Marine), which says something...
On the rules front OP, have you considered asking the other guys bringing primarchs what kind of stat lines they're using? The FW rules seem like the best place to start IMO.
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
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2013/08/23 20:59:19
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Luther was explicitly amplified by the Chaos Gods to be of a level with the Lion.
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2013/08/23 21:00:06
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Ghastly Grave Guard
Uk
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In the primarch deathmatch tha was done Horus won Angron came second, Fulgrim third and Mortarion fourth.
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2013/08/24 22:03:19
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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 liquidjoshi wrote:To get some semblance of the original topic back, The Lion couldn't even beat Luther (well, not as soundly as you'd expect a Primarch to walk though a Marine), which says something..
Technically, he wasn't a Marine. Neither was Kor Phaeron, the only other non-Primarch to humble a Primarch. Maybe being an enhanced human > genetically altered Astartes? 
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2013/08/24 23:38:43
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Xenohunter Acolyte with Alacrity
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 Omegus wrote: Void__Dragon wrote: Omegus wrote:Technically Kor Phaeron was using full-blown sorcery since he wasn't a psyker.
What makes you think he wasn't a psyker though?
Also, Lorgar is explicitly more powerful than him in that regard, in that very book.
He did not display any psychic potential as a human or as a pseudo-Space Marine (and being that he wasn't a real Space Marine, there was no trigger that sometimes makes people manifest the gift after becoming Astartes. Then, all of a sudden, he has a magic knife and is throwing warpflame.
Just like the flasks that allowed the traitors to communicate across vast distances, or the shards that allowed them to make rifts in space/time and travel through the void, this is all daemon magic taught to Lorgar by the Gods, and by Lorgar to his Legion. This remains Lorgar's task to this day, with him writing down the instructions on manipulating daemons and the warp and passing it to his Legion (the "Book" of Lorgar at this point fills several libraries).
The Word Bearers novels also feature a number of non-psychic characters who use the various rituals from the Book of Lorgar to achieve similar effects. My personal pet theory is that a lot of these rituals are based on Glossia, the raw language of Chaos introduced in the Eisenhorn/Ravenor novels. So basically, both Chaos Sorcerers and Dark Apostles manipulate daemons and the warp, but whereas the former do it as wizards using raw force of will and various pacts and contracts, the latter do it as clerics using their Lorgar-derived knowledge of the deeper mysteries of the warp as well as their status in the eyes of their patron deities.
DERP! What you mean is Enuncia (Glossia is a code language developed my Eisenhorn and used by him and Ravenor and their respective teams). BUT
Also, Lorgar hasn't shown any knowledge about Enuncia and it's use has not been shown at any point in the heresy. Luckily (for the well-being of creation),iIt might exist solely in the Abnettverse.
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2013/08/25 01:01:59
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Ah, my mistake. I drew a blank on the word and just grabbed the first word I saw from the lexicanum entry. Considering how Enuncia was deciphered in the Inquisitor novels, it's pretty clear it is Chaos-related. The race we see that had mastered the language were "incomprehensible" beings very similar to daemons that lived in their own pocket dimension they could mould to their whims.
The Lexicanum also mentions a use of Enuncia In Fear to Tread, but I don't remember the particulars. I have the book at home, I'll double check.
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2013/08/25 08:56:29
Subject: Fighting Prowess of primachs
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Xenohunter Acolyte with Alacrity
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Omegus wrote:Ah, my mistake. I drew a blank on the word and just grabbed the first word I saw from the lexicanum entry. Considering how Enuncia was deciphered in the Inquisitor novels, it's pretty clear it is Chaos-related. The race we see that had mastered the language were "incomprehensible" beings very similar to daemons that lived in their own pocket dimension they could mould to their whims.
The Lexicanum also mentions a use of Enuncia In Fear to Tread, but I don't remember the particulars. I have the book at home, I'll double check.
Hm, didn't know that last bit ofc, maybe that will shed some more light on it. I always thought Abnett made some cool gak up for his Inquisition-related novels knowing it wouldn't affect the main fluff. Also, "pocket dimension" still sounds like Materium-tech/science to me, think of the necron FTL tech. Or maybe there plain old demons, yeah  .
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