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With the addition of new Daemon engines, it got me curious: Would Iron Warriors use Hell-turkey, Forgefiend/maulers? I don't think I've ever seen them even using Defilers in any canon fluff so I'm assuming that they don't?

Which got me to wonder more... would Iron Warriors have Possessed Marines, Warp Talons or any other daemon-based troops in their ranks? Afterall, they have a lot of Obliterators who are daemonic too. But the fluff states that Iron Warriors often amputate and replace mutated flesh with bionics.


Thoughts?

Iron Warriors are the *most* likely to use them, simply because they're the most likely to be using mechanized units in the first place. Heck... have a look at the Studio examples in the Codex colour pages. They're painted in Iron Warriors colours - at first I thought otherwise but the Black Legion ones with the new supplement are noticeably, well, blacker.

 Zaki66 wrote:
With the addition of new Daemon engines, it got me curious: Would Iron Warriors use Hell-turkey, Forgefiend/maulers? I don't think I've ever seen them even using Defilers in any canon fluff so I'm assuming that they don't?

Which got me to wonder more... would Iron Warriors have Possessed Marines, Warp Talons or any other daemon-based troops in their ranks? Afterall, they have a lot of Obliterators who are daemonic too. But the fluff states that Iron Warriors often amputate and replace mutated flesh with bionics.

Thoughts?

Some versions of the Iron warriors have them shunning mutation while others have them as willingly summoning daemons to bind to their daemon engines.

I think if you want to use Possessed Marines or Warp Talons, perhaps convert them to be full of bionics. Like they are possessed but that then they have had some of the wild mutations cut out and replaced.

I always saw Iron Warriors as being the origins of the Obliterator Virus, so any half-machine, half-creature combination suits them in my mind.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
I always saw Iron Warriors as being the origins of the Obliterator Virus, so any half-machine, half-creature combination suits them in my mind.

one source has them as the source another has the dark mechanicum creating it

 Exergy wrote:


I think if you want to use Possessed Marines or Warp Talons, perhaps convert them to be full of bionics.

That was the official advice for Possessed in the Iron Warriors IA article - IIRC it specifically said possessed would be cyborgs whose implants were powered by bound daemons.

SerQuintus wrote:

 Exergy wrote:


I think if you want to use Possessed Marines or Warp Talons, perhaps convert them to be full of bionics.

That was the official advice for Possessed in the Iron Warriors IA article - IIRC it specifically said possessed would be cyborgs whose implants were powered by bound daemons.

Wow... I actually like that. Bionics powered by daemons.... wow.... gives me chills.

In Storm of Iron....there are fleeting descriptions of engines of war that are mechanical in nature with bound daemons operating them or being trapped inside them.

Iron warrior have no problems using daemons, but that what they do is use them. To the IW daemons are just another tool to empower their armor or weapons, but from what I've read in the codex both past and present and the fluff the IW are way too prideful to willingly submit to possession or let the warp hold sway over their bodies with mutation, but like the other said i don't think that would stop them from from using daemons power bionics.

Ir0njack wrote:
Iron warrior have no problems using daemons, but that what they do is use them. To the IW daemons are just another tool to empower their armor or weapons, but from what I've read in the codex both past and present and the fluff the IW are way too prideful to willingly submit to possession or let the warp hold sway over their bodies with mutation, but like the other said i don't think that would stop them from from using daemons power bionics.

In Siege of Castellax SPOILER there is a scene where an IW gives into the daemon and becomes Possessed... although it was at a desperate moment...

Ir0njack wrote:
Iron warrior have no problems using daemons, but that what they do is use them. To the IW daemons are just another tool to empower their armor or weapons, but from what I've read in the codex both past and present and the fluff the IW are way too prideful to willingly submit to possession or let the warp hold sway over their bodies with mutation, but like the other said i don't think that would stop them from from using daemons power bionics.

That's how I see it. I don't see them using possessed but obviously a player can have "counts as" possessed made up of cyborg looking units. Pumped up marines with vials and tubes sticking out of them.
When I first saw the forge fiend/mauler I thought Iron Warriors, this is so them.
I don't know about roboturkey, that doesn't seem like something the Iron Warriors would use but that's probably because I can't see Iron Warriors fielding flyers at all - just my image of them though.

In one of the Chaos marine codexes, I'm not sure which one. It says the Iron warriors have possessed but commonly use Daemon-enhanced/possessed bionics instead. This was in the description of Possessed.

Also I think it has to be noted that even though the Iron warriors are often seen using mostly big guns they would need close assault troops too. If they ever intended to break a siege or counter enemies in their own lines close assault specialists would be needed. If they didn't use them they would be too inflexible to win many wars.

Take whatever unit you want. In a warband anything goes, simply because a chaoslord's wishes are law for his minions.

They are used as tools of war and Daemon engines would be kept bound in chains until required, much like dreadnoughts.

As has been mentioned Storm of Iron goes into how they are shackled before being used for battle.

Not sure about a Heldrake though, how would you be able to put it back in its cage so to speak. I guess a Daemonic pact would be forged or there would be words of power that the lord would have or the warband has the capability to to bind the flesh themselves on their own Daemonworld?

I too have just started an Iron Warriors army.

I am considering adding a daemon engine or two and a squad of warp talons to it (over and above the obligatory obliterators naturally).

I don't see why the IW wouldn't use daemons, but as others have said, they are tools for the IW to use and abuse, not creatures that they have made a pact with or even worse, are slaves to.

 Zaki66 wrote:

Ir0njack wrote:
Iron warrior have no problems using daemons, but that what they do is use them. To the IW daemons are just another tool to empower their armor or weapons, but from what I've read in the codex both past and present and the fluff the IW are way too prideful to willingly submit to possession or let the warp hold sway over their bodies with mutation, but like the other said i don't think that would stop them from from using daemons power bionics.

In Siege of Castellax SPOILER there is a scene where an IW gives into the daemon and becomes Possessed... although it was at a desperate moment...

Ah sorry if i came across as "they would never do this!" I just think the general theme of IW is that they are too self important for possession in how we normally think of if.
The idea of starting up my old IW army again and modelling the daemon engines and tanks with shackles and chains is a very temping though, the bionic warp talons even more so! *drools*

Hmm.... how would you guys model cyborg-Marines who would count as Possessed? I guess they won't really be count as since their bionics are possessed.

I was thinking of the old Iron Hands model from GW but thats OOP. Any ideas without turning to FW?

There's a bit of old fluff about Iron Warriors possessed using bound daemons to power crazy powerful bionics. So yeah, it'd be fluffy for them to have possessed guys.