8-year-old boy intentionally shot and killed his elderly caregiver - Police

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**SilverMK2**

djones520 wrote:
A double barrelled shotgun can actually be fired and reloaded at an equivallent rate as that SPAS, if not faster, because the SPAS takes a lot longer to reload. My old 20 gauge single shot break action, I could fire and at a quicker rate then my 12 gauge pump, because the reloading is much much simpler.

However, can you fire 9 shots (or however many shots your pump action holds) from your DB at the same rate as the pump? That is more the point I was making.

**d-usa**

SilverMK2 wrote:
djones520 wrote:
A double barrelled shotgun can actually be fired and reloaded at an equivallent rate as that SPAS, if not faster, because the SPAS takes a lot longer to reload. My old 20 gauge single shot break action, I could fire and at a quicker rate then my 12 gauge pump, because the reloading is much much simpler.

However, can you fire 9 shots (or however many shots your pump action holds) from your DB at the same rate as the pump? That is more the point I was making.

You can fire 9 shots and be fully reloaded in almost the same time for both.

**Frazzled**

And be way cooler doing it...

**d-usa**

d-usa wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
djones520 wrote:
A double barrelled shotgun can actually be fired and reloaded at an equivallent rate as that SPAS, if not faster, because the SPAS takes a lot longer to reload. My old 20 gauge single shot break action, I could fire and at a quicker rate then my 12 gauge pump, because the reloading is much much simpler.

However, can you fire 9 shots (or however many shots your pump action holds) from your DB at the same rate as the pump? That is more the point I was making.

You can fire 9 shots and be fully reloaded in almost the same time for both.

Being able to fire fast is nice, but you still have to reload the same number of shells and that is the equalizer.

(Hit the quote button instead of the edit button...)

**KingCracker**

whembly wrote:
KingCracker wrote:
This really comes down to parenting IMO.

I have an 8 year old son, he has NEVER played a Grand Theft Auto game in his life. Ever. When I had it I wouldnt even let him watch me play it, because its definitely not meant for a child to see, specially at that age.
I have firearms in my home, locked up and no chance for either of my children to get to them.

In some strange chance that my safe pops open, and the locked closet falls apart creating a light of awesome showing my children where the firearms are, they have STILL been taught how dangerous firearms can be and that they have no business touching them when Im not present. My children know, without a shadow of doubt in my mind, that what that kid did was wrong, dangerous and stupid. Its as simple as teaching them between right and wrong, and setting boundaries that they know they should never cross.

Im not saying my kids are on a higher standing or anything, because I know they are not perfect, but for gak sakes, teaching a child rules and them knowing punishment is abound when they break them is all it takes. Unless the kid is a frigging psychopath. Then Im sorry but there isnt much you can do with crazy

Yep... what he said^^.

Also, I'll take it a step further to show them the weapons and teach them to respect it.... just like my own pa did. When I was growing up, I knew we had guns and rifles in the house... I just didn't think they were that big a of a deal...

Yea I actually do that with my son. Hes shot a few different types of firearms under myself and my oldest brothers supervision. My daughter I think is still too young personally to handle a weapon. She knows about them sure, but I personally dont think its OK to have my 5 y/o daughter shooting a firearm. But again, thats my preference.

**Kanluwen**

whembly wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
xole wrote:
Not to mention the assault weapons thing is entirely about the appearance.

And gun safes are very expensive.

You have the money for a gun, you can suck it up and put out the money for a gun safe.

People always talk about how "expensive" competition shooting is or range time is; just deal with it.

- reads that I have voting rights

- must get valid state ID to vote to exercise my voting rights

- gets ridiculed that valid state ID is a "poll tax" in order to vote.

fast forward

- reads that American enjoys 2nd Amendment Rights

- also reads that SC reaffirmed the right to bear arms via Heller case

- some are advocating that in order to possess guns, we must have a gun safe.

- is the gun safe, not a "tax" in order to express my 2nd Amendment right?

Really? You want to try this bs Whembly?

Fine, I'll play your little game.
For the record: Whembly is referring to the fact that I am VERY vocally protesting the North Carolina Voting Registration Act--which was a bill passed that not only requires photo identification for voting in elections starting in 2014, but also included provisions for removing early voting days but "centralizing" the voting in such a way that it would disenfranchise black voters, included provisions for allowing "vigilante" poll officials (read: any registered voter can challenge the validity of any other voter present), and removed preregistration for 16 and 17 year olds.
Basically the bill is a "feth You" from the Republican controlled government that recently took office to the Democrat voter base in NC which is primarily young adults and blacks.

If you want to own a gun, you better be able to suck it the hell up and be able to afford the proper storage for a gun.

**Deadshot**

djones520 wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
But there's not effective difference between a SPAS (wow old school) and a simple turkey gun, except turkey guns run in fear!

Well, a SPAS 12 is a semi-automatic shotgun with a magazine to hold a reasonable number of shells, while a double barreled shotgun is a double barrelled shotgun with only two shells able to be fired within a short period of time before reloading, while the SPAS 12 can have 6-9-etc shots within the same period of time without reloading. To me that sounds as if the SPAS 12 is quite a lot more capable of being dangerous than a DB shotgun.

A double barrelled shotgun can actually be fired and reloaded at an equivallent rate as that SPAS, if not faster, because the SPAS takes a lot longer to reload. My old 20 gauge single shot break action, I could fire and at a quicker rate then my 12 gauge pump, because the reloading is much much simpler.

As I said in my earlier post the SPAS can take attachments including magazines rather than loading one by one. Meaning its possible to eject a mag and reload in under 5 seconds if you aee quick whereas a DB can take up to 10 seconds if you are slow.

**Kanluwen**

djones520 wrote:

Apparently our rights aren't equal in some folks eyes. I had to pay a tax to simply possess guns in the State of Illinois, but you don't see people crying about that.

You're right. They aren't.

Pretending that you having to pay a tax or pay for a gun safe is somehow equivalent to voters being disenfranchised is shocking.

**djones520**

KingCracker wrote:
whembly wrote:
KingCracker wrote:
This really comes down to parenting IMO.

I have an 8 year old son, he has NEVER played a Grand Theft Auto game in his life. Ever. When I had it I wouldnt even let him watch me play it, because its definitely not meant for a child to see, specially at that age.
I have firearms in my home, locked up and no chance for either of my children to get to them.

In some strange chance that my safe pops open, and the locked closet falls apart creating a light of awesome showing my children where the firearms are, they have STILL been taught how dangerous firearms can be and that they have no business touching them when Im not present. My children know, without a shadow of doubt in my mind, that what that kid did was wrong, dangerous and stupid. Its as simple as teaching them between right and wrong, and setting boundaries that they know they should never cross.

Im not saying my kids are on a higher standing or anything, because I know they are not perfect, but for gak sakes, teaching a child rules and them knowing punishment is abound when they break them is all it takes. Unless the kid is a frigging psychopath. Then Im sorry but there isnt much you can do with crazy

Yep... what he said^^.

Also, I'll take it a step further to show them the weapons and teach them to respect it.... just like my own pa did. When I was growing up, I knew we had guns and rifles in the house... I just didn't think they were that big a of a deal...

Yea I actually do that with my son. Hes shot a few different types of firearms under myself and my oldest brothers supervision. My daughter I think is still too young personally to handle a weapon. She knows about them sure, but I personally dont think its OK to have my 5 y/o daughter shooting a firearm. But again, thats my preference.

My oldest is 5, and he's already very aware of how firearms are anything but toys. He knows never to touch a gun without my permission first, and he knows the consequences of their misuse. At the same time I have allowed him to fire a .22 to help deal with his curiousity about them. As he gets older he'll get more practice with them, as well as more safety training and the like.

That is how this should be resolved. Proper parenting. The problem is you cannot legislate that. You can pass all the feel good bs laws you want, but in the end things like this happen because of bad parenting, and no law passed will ever fix that.

**Frazzled**

Deadshot wrote:
djones520 wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
But there's not effective difference between a SPAS (wow old school) and a simple turkey gun, except turkey guns run in fear!

Well, a SPAS 12 is a semi-automatic shotgun with a magazine to hold a reasonable number of shells, while a double barreled shotgun is a double barrelled shotgun with only two shells able to be fired within a short period of time before reloading, while the SPAS 12 can have 6-9-etc shots within the same period of time without reloading. To me that sounds as if the SPAS 12 is quite a lot more capable of being dangerous than a DB shotgun.

A double barrelled shotgun can actually be fired and reloaded at an equivallent rate as that SPAS, if not faster, because the SPAS takes a lot longer to reload. My old 20 gauge single shot break action, I could fire and at a quicker rate then my 12 gauge pump, because the reloading is much much simpler.

As I said in my earlier post the SPAS can take attachments including magazines rather than loading one by one. Meaning its possible to eject a mag and reload in under 5 seconds if you aee quick whereas a DB can take up to 10 seconds if you are slow.

Not seen that with a SPAS. However SAIGAs can do that so I'll agree.

**Kanluwen**

djones520 wrote:

My oldest is 5, and he's already very aware of how firearms are anything but toys. He knows never to touch a gun without my permission first, and he knows the consequences of their misuse. At the same time I have allowed him to fire a .22 to help deal with his curiousity about them. As he gets older he'll get more practice with them, as well as more safety training and the like.

That is how this should be resolved. Proper parenting. The problem is you cannot legislate that. You can pass all the feel good bs laws you want, but in the end things like this happen because of bad parenting, and no law passed will ever fix that.

They happen not just because of bad parenting but also including poor firearms safety training.
Pretending that it is a case of one but not the other is what causes "things like this to happen".

**djones520**

Kanluwen wrote:
djones520 wrote:

Apparently our rights aren't equal in some folks eyes. I had to pay a tax to simply possess guns in the State of Illinois, but you don't see people crying about that.

You're right. They aren't.

Pretending that you having to pay a tax or pay for a gun safe is somehow equivalent to voters being disenfranchised is shocking.

One of these topics was in the Constitution when it was drafted, one of them was not. Care to tell me which?

The principles our nation was founded on, found it more important to secure our right to firearms, then equal voting.

Yet today you have people who say that it's backwards. Now, this is not an argument that the right to vote is less important. I put them on the same pedestal.

**whembly**

Kanluwen wrote:
whembly wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
xole wrote:
Not to mention the assault weapons thing is entirely about the appearance.

And gun safes are very expensive.

You have the money for a gun, you can suck it up and put out the money for a gun safe.

People always talk about how "expensive" competition shooting is or range time is; just deal with it.

- reads that I have voting rights

- must get valid state ID to vote to exercise my voting rights

- gets ridiculed that valid state ID is a "poll tax" in order to vote.

fast forward

- reads that American enjoys 2nd Amendment Rights

- also reads that SC reaffirmed the right to bear arms via Heller case

- some are advocating that in order to possess guns, we must have a gun safe.

- is the gun safe, not a "tax" in order to express my 2nd Amendment right?

Really? You want to try this bs Whembly?

Fine, I'll play your little game.
For the record: Whembly is referring to the fact that I am VERY vocally protesting the North Carolina Voting Registration Act--which was a bill passed that not only requires photo identification for voting in elections starting in 2014, but also included provisions for removing early voting days but "centralizing" the voting in such a way that it would disenfranchise black voters, included provisions for allowing "vigilante" poll officials (read: any registered voter can challenge the validity of any other voter present), and removed preregistration for 16 and 17 year olds.
Basically the bill is a "feth You" from the Republican controlled government that recently took office to the Democrat voter base in NC which is primarily young adults and blacks.

If you want to own a gun, you better be able to suck it the hell up and be able to afford the proper storage for a gun.

I'm talking about the ID part.

So in your words... "If you want to "<vote>", you better be able to suck it the hell up and be able to"<acquire the necessary ID in order to vote>.

If we're strictly talking about what is our "rights" in this country... right?

For the record, I wouldn't have a problem with requiring a safe or secured gunroom with some certification. I don't really consider that onerous... just like I don't consider requiring a valid ID in order to vote onerous.

**KingCracker**

Which falls under bad parenting Kan. We dont and shouldnt need the Government to regulate us and pass laws to tell us how we should and shouldnt raise our children, and how to use and not use firearms. Things like that fal to the parent, to be a teacher to their children. So yea, this article shouts "BAD FRACKING PARENTING" all over the place

**Deadshot**

Frazzled wrote:
Deadshot wrote:
djones520 wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
But there's not effective difference between a SPAS (wow old school) and a simple turkey gun, except turkey guns run in fear!

Well, a SPAS 12 is a semi-automatic shotgun with a magazine to hold a reasonable number of shells, while a double barreled shotgun is a double barrelled shotgun with only two shells able to be fired within a short period of time before reloading, while the SPAS 12 can have 6-9-etc shots within the same period of time without reloading. To me that sounds as if the SPAS 12 is quite a lot more capable of being dangerous than a DB shotgun.

A double barrelled shotgun can actually be fired and reloaded at an equivallent rate as that SPAS, if not faster, because the SPAS takes a lot longer to reload. My old 20 gauge single shot break action, I could fire and at a quicker rate then my 12 gauge pump, because the reloading is much much simpler.

As I said in my earlier post the SPAS can take attachments including magazines rather than loading one by one. Meaning its possible to eject a mag and reload in under 5 seconds if you aee quick whereas a DB can take up to 10 seconds if you are slow.

Not seen that with a SPAS. However SAIGAs can do that so I'll agree.

Its the SPAS 15 variant, rather than the usual 12. Not very common but still, there's always the chance.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchi_SPAS-12

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KingCracker wrote:
Which falls under bad parenting Kan. We dont and shouldnt need the Government to regulate us and pass laws to tell us how we should and shouldnt raise our children, and how to use and not use firearms. Things like that fal to the parent, to be a teacher to their children. So yea, this article shouts "BAD FRACKING PARENTING" all over the place

I agree 100%. An 8 year old shouldn't have GTA nor access to a firearm. Even an airsoft or paintball gun.

**Kanluwen**

whembly wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
whembly wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
xole wrote:
Not to mention the assault weapons thing is entirely about the appearance.

And gun safes are very expensive.

You have the money for a gun, you can suck it up and put out the money for a gun safe.

People always talk about how "expensive" competition shooting is or range time is; just deal with it.

- reads that I have voting rights

- must get valid state ID to vote to exercise my voting rights

- gets ridiculed that valid state ID is a "poll tax" in order to vote.

fast forward

- reads that American enjoys 2nd Amendment Rights

- also reads that SC reaffirmed the right to bear arms via Heller case

- some are advocating that in order to possess guns, we must have a gun safe.

- is the gun safe, not a "tax" in order to express my 2nd Amendment right?

Really? You want to try this bs Whembly?

Fine, I'll play your little game.
For the record: Whembly is referring to the fact that I am VERY vocally protesting the North Carolina Voting Registration Act--which was a bill passed that not only requires photo identification for voting in elections starting in 2014, but also included provisions for removing early voting days but "centralizing" the voting in such a way that it would disenfranchise black voters, included provisions for allowing "vigilante" poll officials (read: any registered voter can challenge the validity of any other voter present), and removed preregistration for 16 and 17 year olds.
Basically the bill is a "feth You" from the Republican controlled government that recently took office to the Democrat voter base in NC which is primarily young adults and blacks.

If you want to own a gun, you better be able to suck it the hell up and be able to afford the proper storage for a gun.

I'm talking about the ID part.

So in your words... "If you want to "<vote>", you better be able to suck it the hell up and be able to"<acquire the necessary ID in order to vote>.

If we're strictly talking about what is our "rights" in this country... right?

For the record, I wouldn't have a problem with requiring a safe or secured gunroom with some certification. I don't really consider that onerous... just like I don't consider requiring a valid ID in order to vote.

The difference is that your example is incomplete--and quite frankly, a garbage example anyways.

It's not a question of "requiring valid ID to vote", it's the fact that the bill specifically excluded ID for voters whom the Republican controlled legislature knows will not vote for them. That is why the whole bill is being protested--alongside of the fact that it was done as a wasteful measure to a problem that does not exist (nor does it y'know...kill anyone if a voter fraudulently votes). The bill was also done in such a way that it knows it was being done to prevent that voterbase from being able to vote.

You would have a point if the requirement of a gun safe was for a top of the line Zorg Industries X2500K with retinal scanner and biometrics. Requiring a gun safe--reasonably sized and secured with a keypad and/or combination lock--and the ammunition to be stored separately from the gun is not onerous.

**djones520**

Kanluwen, I've seen it argued that old people would be disenfranchised, because they would find it harder to get around to get the ID with their frailments of old age.

So now that a Republican legislature took care of that issue, it's a move to disenfranchise everyone else?

You people need to make your damn mind up.

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

Kanluwen wrote:
alongside of the fact that it was done as a wasteful measure to a problem that does not exist (nor does it y'know...kill anyone if a voter fraudulently votes).

I guess that last part in parenthesis makes you not a total hypocrite?

**Kanluwen**

djones520 wrote:
Kanluwen, I've seen it argued that old people would be disenfranchised, because they would find it harder to get around to get the ID with their frailments of old age.

I don't think anyone has argued that old people would be disenfranchised in regards to this legislature. Especially since there is a provision within the bill allowing for anyone 71 years or older to vote with an expired or out of state ID.

So now that a Republican legislature took care of that issue, it's a move to disenfranchise everyone else?

It's a move to "disenfranchise everyone else"(your words, not mine) because the voter ID laws do not allow for state college issued photo IDs or certain kinds of state issued photo IDs(notably those for things like food stamps, etc) but do allow for things like concealed carry permits (which are not photo IDs).

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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
alongside of the fact that it was done as a wasteful measure to a problem that does not exist (nor does it y'know...kill anyone if a voter fraudulently votes).

I guess that last part in parenthesis makes you not a total hypocrite?

Actually it is because I knew someone like yourself would immediately jump on that.

Glad you did not disappoint.

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

Kanluwen wrote:
Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
alongside of the fact that it was done as a wasteful measure to a problem that does not exist (nor does it y'know...kill anyone if a voter fraudulently votes).

I guess that last part in parenthesis makes you not a total hypocrite?

Actually it is because I knew someone like yourself would immediately jump on that.

Glad you did not disappoint.

I aim to please

The hypocrisy is still hilarious though.

**Jimsolo**

Kanluwen wrote:
Jimsolo wrote:
Quick question: aren't there controlled substances where the legal possession of said substance means that the authorities can come to check that you are storing it correctly and legally at any time? I thought it was that way with one of the chemicals they can use to make meth, which farmers store in largish quantities. (Anhydrous?) Not super 'in-the-know' about such things, but meth is a big deal around here, and I seem to recall hearing some farmer complaining about this.

There is in some states, usually those that have problems with meth.

Total side note, having read the article, is that I don't think I would be too terribly opposed to a tax on violent video games, with the money earmarked for victims' relief, provided it was A) a reasonable amount of money and B) that it actually got the opposition to video violence to agree that it was a reasonable compromise on the issue. I mean, at sixty to seventy dollars a pop, an extra dollar or two isn't going to be much skin off my nose, especially not if the money is going to a decent cause as well as keeping the fuss down.

That's just my thought on it, though, and this isn't a nation where we readily accept new taxes, so I don't see that having much of an effect.

The problem is that in many of these instances where "violent video games" are blamed--there is little to no evidence beyond the say-so of the killers or a correlation jumped to by the NRA and media outlets.

True. I know there isn't any real connection. And you know that.

But if me paying an extra $2 per video game is enough to mollify the majority of people who think otherwise? $2 well spent, in my book.

**dogma**

djones520 wrote:

You people need to make your damn mind up.

Which people constitute the group "you people"?

**Jihadin**

Well...a 1/8 drill bit and a cordless will make short work of a weapon lock or a safe with a key access. Drill out the tumblers. Been many times I had to do to drill out a lock to gain access into something.

Since we're talking unsecure weapons here with no laws saying the weapon owner needs to own a gun safe with a combo lock. Why am I being "punished" over other people stupidity if that type of law went into effect? Now if its common sense excuse for that type of law going into effect then its common sense to have a voter ID law being the elections are three years out.

Its interesting to see how many people are quite willing to trash/trespass/allow to walk all over my "rights" but Gawd forbid if its their "rights" being violated or infringed on.

Back to Everquest I go 8)

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

Jihadin wrote:
Since we're talking unsecure weapons here with no laws saying the weapon owner needs to own a gun safe with a combo lock. Why am I being "punished" over other people stupidity if that type of law went into effect? Now if its common sense excuse for that type of law going into effect then its common sense to have a voter ID law being the elections are three years out.

Because reasons! And no I can't show you facts, that's your job!

**Deadshot**

[quote=Jihadin Why am I being "punished" over other people stupidity if that type of law went into effect?

**Kanluwen**

Jihadin wrote:
Well...a 1/8 drill bit and a cordless will make short work of a weapon lock or a safe with a key access. Drill out the tumblers. Been many times I had to do to drill out a lock to gain access into something.

Since we're talking unsecure weapons here with no laws saying the weapon owner needs to own a gun safe with a combo lock. Why am I being "punished" over other people stupidity if that type of law went into effect?

Actually we're talking about secure storage that would prevent children from getting access to firearms.

Try to keep up.

Now if its common sense excuse for that type of law going into effect then its common sense to have a voter ID law being the elections are three years out.

Once again, if there was a "solely voter ID law" being passed as a response to an actual problem then that would be a different story and where any form of state issued photographic ID is accepted. That was not the case in NC's bill however. The bill was specifically targeted at a segment of the populace which the writers of the bill consider a threat to their ability to stay in office.

Its interesting to see how many people are quite willing to trash/trespass/allow to walk all over my "rights" but Gawd forbid if its their "rights" being violated or infringed on.

You want to own a gun?

You get to deal with the fact that there are plenty of people who have caused the deaths of others through carelessness and irresponsibility.
A gun is not a tool that should be allowed for everyone with no regulation, it is nothing more than an instrument designed for the sole purpose of causing physical harm to living organisms.

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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Since we're talking unsecure weapons here with no laws saying the weapon owner needs to own a gun safe with a combo lock. Why am I being "punished" over other people stupidity if that type of law went into effect? Now if its common sense excuse for that type of law going into effect then its common sense to have a voter ID law being the elections are three years out.

Because reasons! And no I can't show you facts, that's your job!

By that same logic I'm still waiting for proof of fraudulent in person voting.

**Jihadin**

Those are the type of people I will do very little on helping them if they need it. Its my perception and I'm sticking to it

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You get to deal with the fact that there are plenty of people who have caused the deaths of others through carelessness and irresponsibility.
A gun is not a tool that should be allowed for everyone with no regulation, it is nothing more than an instrument designed for the sole purpose of causing physical harm to living organisms.

I am very overly familiar on what fire arms can do on another human being. You have a brain fart on what I was doing the past ten years?

**Kanluwen**

Jihadin wrote:
Those are the type of people I will do very little on helping them if they need it. Its my perception and I'm sticking to it

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You get to deal with the fact that there are plenty of people who have caused the deaths of others through carelessness and irresponsibility.
A gun is not a tool that should be allowed for everyone with no regulation, it is nothing more than an instrument designed for the sole purpose of causing physical harm to living organisms.

I am very overly familiar on what fire arms can do on another human being. You have a brain fart on what I was doing the past ten years?

No, I'm quite aware you served in the military.

But not everyone served in the military and there are--sadly--individuals who feel that owning a firearm is "necessary for protection" yet do not see the responsibility inherent in storing firearms.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Kanluwen wrote:

But not everyone served in the military and there are--sadly--individuals who feel that owning a firearm is "necessary for protection" yet do not see the responsibility inherent in storing firearms.

And just because there are a fair minority of "irresponsible people" out there who do not take relevant precautions with their property, does not mean that the Government should dictate what precautions I take.

If that was really the case, then Transfat, Corn Syrup, and other "food" items would have been banned a long time ago.

I think it's been gone over well enough, you are clearly after a totalitarian style state. The 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and all the other amendments relevant to the OP are there for a very good reason.

**Kanluwen**

The fourth amendment does not apply here.

Otherwise people would cry "fourth amendment! fourth amendment!" when they have to get their cars inspected.

Also if it is "totalitarian" to want people held more accountable when they own firearms?
Then hell yeah I want a totalitarian state.

But as I've said before, you gun lobbyists really need to find a new lexicon.