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Well, assuming it is Daniel Mandelbaum (just gonna run with the assumption), even he must've known that this would be a more "short-term-scam". He wouldn't have been able to deliver a single Titan (presumably). Unlike Resin Forge, there's no way he could've build a half-decent early track-record first.

He may "just" have sacrificed a random FB account for a "quick-scam" inspired by the Titan picture, not something "worth" a full set-up like Resin Forge.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys I can now confirm via multiple points this is in fact Daniel Mandelbaum at it again. As with the initial RF finding, I will not divulge the methods used to get the info.

I repeat, Daniel Mandelbaum is behind BCS.

Exaulted. Once again, thank you for your work.

Not assume, is, confirmed, just to be clear.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ninja'd

Well my productivity just went into the crapper... (goes for popcorn)

A bit angry that this actually happened.

And that it is someone who was scamming our hobby community before?
Am glad I came forward --- was meaning to join for a long time.

Things are picking up for us in Japan as far as wargaming goes.
You'll be seeing me more as we post what we're doing.

As far as this scam goes -- saved myself a lot of grief.

It's cool to be here! ~James

Trolling for great justice!

Cease & Desist in 3.... 2.... 1.....

The pic has been taken down and I am blocked. That was quick.

I saw this on one of the recent post items: "Thanks for inviting me to the page."

I was wondering how he spontaneously garnered such a large, rabid following. He invited them. I wonder how many of them are actually him (dummy accounts)?

Nice work Tom&chums, hopefully if people keep catching him out immediately he'll eventually get sick of trying.

In the meantime....

Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.

MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.

So is anyone considering reporting this to GW Legal?

Because I'm sure they would love to get someone like Mandelbaum for selling 3D prints--and it might actually engender some good will towards their legion of lawyers.

Wouldn't the man that actually designed the 3D print also come under scrutiny even though he had no intention of selling the designs?

Edit: I also realize that the man who made the design is also breaking IP law.

Hrmh. True.

Problematic. Oh well.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.

MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.

I know. Which, in the end, leaves things in an odd limbo (until then).

On one hand, there's no reason to doubt that MajorTom is right and Daniel Mandelbaum is behind it.

On the other hand, it still feels wrong to blame a person - even a known past scammer - for a current scam on "the word" of one other person alone.

Hey Guys, it's me again. I seem to only pop up on here when DM is up to another scam.

I cannot verify wether or not BCS is Mandelbaum or not, but I can say that the Facebook site is shady regardless. Aside from the titan he's scamming people with he has another item "for sale" on the site. See the attached image. It's stolen from an online artist Kevin Dobler AKA Voidhawke: http://www.voidehawke.com/Slaanesh1.html

Clearly he does not own this actual 3D mesh nor was it ever designed for a dreadnought. Just more file for the fire.

@LuckyNo.5: how you know that artist didn't give his approval? In any case there was no actual 3D printed model of this, but yes, he was also selling this as "prints".

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.

MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.

I know. Which, in the end, leaves things in an odd limbo (until then).

On one hand, there's no reason to doubt that MajorTom is right and Daniel Mandelbaum is behind it.

On the other hand, it still feels wrong to blame a person - even a known past scammer - for a current scam on "the word" of one other person alone.

I acknowledge that for sure Zwei. It was the same last time at around, and I hope that the fact I was proven to be 100% right in the end counts for something. As with last time, I choose not to disclose the methods used to verify his identity in order to protect my ability to use it. Still not completely satisfactory I know but at least reasonable sounding I hope?

As has been said before, whether or not you or anyone chooses to believe me on word alone (supported by pretty heavy circumstantial evidence mind) about Mandelbaum doesn't really change much in regards to the fact that this FB page is scamming and is not to be trusted, whether or not anyone in particular is at the helm. That's my personal opinion on the matter, I hope you agree at that level if anything!

Cheers! And thank you for presenting the fair points you did, it is important, despite claims otherwise, that the discussion be as reasonable and objective as possible, however difficult that may be for some like myself. Check and balance away!

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Well, to be fair, there seems to be no proof linking this to Daniel Mandelbaum, aside from MajorTom11 saying he has proof (but not sharing), which is rather unsatisfactory (and more than a little bit odd) in and by itself.

MajorTom11 did the same thing last time during the Resin Forge debacle. Usually Mandelbaum comes out sooner or later shooting himself in the foot and revealing himself.

I know. Which, in the end, leaves things in an odd limbo (until then).

On one hand, there's no reason to doubt that MajorTom is right and Daniel Mandelbaum is behind it.

On the other hand, it still feels wrong to blame a person - even a known past scammer - for a current scam on "the word" of one other person alone.

To be fair, if Daniel Mandelbaum is behind the site he can improve confidence in his business by publishing its registration details. If he fails to do that, people will not be relying on "the word" of one other person.

Exactly as Tom says, a fair amount of public evidence points to this being Mandelbaum, and also private evidence that there is no need to share because:

1) This business is obviously a scam, since they are using pictures of someone else's model to sell as their own. The very definition of a scam!
2) So that those same methods will work for future watching of Mandelbaum's scams.

It really doesn't matter if it's "definitely" proven that it's him. It's a scammer, obviously, so folks should stay clear. It's also extremely likely to be a particular known scammer, for whatever that's worth.

I do wish folks would leave out the "popcorn" comments, though. This isn't a game, even though Mandelbaum must enjoy it because he persists. People have money tied up in it, and need to be made aware to file Paypal claims ASAP. That's the only purpose of threads like this... not entertainment.

 RiTides wrote:

I do wish folks would leave out the "popcorn" comments, though. This isn't a game, even though Mandelbaum must enjoy it because he persists. People have money tied up in it, and need to be made aware to file Paypal claims ASAP. That's the only purpose of threads like this... not entertainment.

Very much agreed here...

Bloody hell i go to work and it all kicks off !! I spoke to a mate who knows Wintermute of Warseer and he said he would bring it up with him about "clone accounts" what ever they are and try for a ban on Warseer of his IP

Clone accounts are generally frowned upon in most forum rules. They are two (or more) accounts registered from the same computer with the same IP address. Now the problem is that there may actually be two different people posting from that comp (kids using moms comp for example, Husband and Wife for another).... But if one claims to be from England and one from Arizona the the modships will have to have a long hard debate to ban the IP...


Edit: And for me the popcorn comment was about what the alleged subject would do next to try and deflect and deny...

An IP ban isn't likely to do much; don't know how it works in the US, but I'd presume it's similar to over here, domestic broadband routers being assigned their IP address by DHCP from the ISP (and so changing address periodically). Unless he's paying for a fixed-IP service (unlikely given he's not even registering a business number) banning a single IP isn't likely to catch him, it'd simply cause issues for innocent parties later.

Hi

just joined the site. but always followed what Lex has said and found the ResinForge stuff (C&D letter and such) amazing.

Currently talking to BCS as a 'customer' ( i have never joined in on any thing on FB before. So if they looked for me on Lex and here wont bring me up)

so far they claim that the one in the picture is not avaliable currently as he is having a disagreement with the creator about it. but has said this ' The current chaos hound s owner and I have yet to begin talks so my own version will be out and can equal detailing after my 20+ years in the hobby.' and 'The version will be a unqiue one based more on a mars pattern style undivided that can be easily modified to fit any legion.'


He also claims that he is using the 3D printer to make molds for Resin casting and says 'Same resin FW uses
not a plasticresin hybrid'


i have tried asking them if GW are ok with people creating their own models based on their IP and making profit from them , he has not yet answered that question.

Curious to know if anybody has reported the FB page as a scam?

I did after reading everything here.

It's also something that GW should do, with FB, since the Titans are their Intellectual Property.

I would have liked to have been able to give a better explanation to FB for reporting, but their options for doing it suck...so it's just pick the closest one and know that you tried to contribute to the Greater Good.

winterdyne wrote:
An IP ban isn't likely to do much; don't know how it works in the US, but I'd presume it's similar to over here, domestic broadband routers being assigned their IP address by DHCP from the ISP (and so changing address periodically). Unless he's paying for a fixed-IP service (unlikely given he's not even registering a business number) banning a single IP isn't likely to catch him, it'd simply cause issues for innocent parties later.

Also true. but it will slow the original miscreant down for a few months...

Few months? My external IP seems to change everytime my router gets reset (and because of my lousy ISP sometimes even more frequently).

My home IP only seems to reset when I have problems or changes to my ISP. IE: it changed when I went from Dialup to DSL... I've since had the modem and router destroyed by lightning and still have the same IP on the new router and modem...

So the answer is "probably up to your local internet service provider"