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 Inquisitor S. wrote:

The very next time "Daniel Mandelbaum" or "Michael Mandelbaum" or anyone at all associated with either of them does so, I will contact their local Police Department and file a harassment complaint against them.

Don't wait, do it now. He will never stop if he always knows there is a "until next time" warning. Any and all direct communication is doomed to fail as we all know by now. That's is why, Daniel Charlie Lovebird or whatever your name is now, any and all direct and indirect contact attempts will never be answered privately but only publicly. And we all know how much you love that when everybody sees how deranged you actually are.

I have done my best to stay out of this whole mess, but this is the best advice possible.

Don't issue ultimatums instead report the harassment immediately. Not just to local law enforcement, but to your phone/internet provider and federal law enforcement as well. Bring the hammer down on him.

I'll exalt that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

The very next time "Daniel Mandelbaum" or "Michael Mandelbaum" or anyone at all associated with either of them does so, I will contact their local Police Department and file a harassment complaint against them.

Don't wait, do it now. He will never stop if he always knows there is a "until next time" warning. Any and all direct communication is doomed to fail as we all know by now. That's is why, Daniel Charlie Lovebird or whatever your name is now, any and all direct and indirect contact attempts will never be answered privately but only publicly. And we all know how much you love that when everybody sees how deranged you actually are.

I have done my best to stay out of this whole mess, but this is the best advice possible.

Don't issue ultimatums instead report the harassment immediately. Not just to local law enforcement, but to your phone/internet provider and federal law enforcement as well. Bring the hammer down on him.

Alpharius, if nothing else has ever stuck, this should. Your public statements (and I'd assume private) that you consider any further contact from him as harassment, and his continued harassment of you should be a clear enough case. The only thing that makes people as cynical as Daniel stop and think is consequences. Even if it isn't consequences for what we'd like (his alleged fraud), something is better than nothing. Get it rolling.

EDIT: I know my words come cheap, not being involved or in your situation, but I've had to deal with an individual like this before. A restraining order and a judge telling them to their face that one more phone call means jail time is a strong statement that you can't make alone.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I'll exalt that.

Agreed, to use an in thread example, if I were Aj and received 15 calls in just as many minutes and it wasn't an emergency, I would be on the phone with my local PD as well as the local PD of the place the person is calling from, verizon, and anyone else connected to my telecommunication services getting that number blocked and getting harassment charges filled toot sweet.

Alph, there's no reason to take even one more call from this jerkwad.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

The very next time "Daniel Mandelbaum" or "Michael Mandelbaum" or anyone at all associated with either of them does so, I will contact their local Police Department and file a harassment complaint against them.

Don't wait, do it now. He will never stop if he always knows there is a "until next time" warning. Any and all direct communication is doomed to fail as we all know by now. That's is why, Daniel Charlie Lovebird or whatever your name is now, any and all direct and indirect contact attempts will never be answered privately but only publicly. And we all know how much you love that when everybody sees how deranged you actually are.

I have done my best to stay out of this whole mess, but this is the best advice possible.

Don't issue ultimatums instead report the harassment immediately. Not just to local law enforcement, but to your phone/internet provider and federal law enforcement as well. Bring the hammer down on him.

Do not tolerate even one more call from this guy. Drop the hammer. This can end now.

I think we are close to an endgame here. We have a united community response and a plethora of information. This guy has no where to go now.

Anyone still in doubt that this person has a severe mental disorder and will never stop scamming and harrassing people?

I think we are close to an endgame here. We have a united community response and a plethora of information. This guy has no where to go now.

There is no endgame. Don't stylize this into some kind of glorious battle. This is plain and simple a mentally deranged stalker. The only way these people stop is when they are locked up. Daniel will never go away, but he will be hurt for each transgression of restraining orders.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Anyone still in doubt that this person has a severe mental disorder and will never stop scamming and harrassing people?

Yes, his disorder is called "Douchebaggery".

To me the key thing for anyone to understand, is that whether or not you believe he is a thief (which as mentioned, is beyond doubt to anyone who bothers to read the decade long evidence and the multitude of aliases and terrible businesses) is that if you give him your information, any of it, and if you then have anything to say about him, he will hound and stalk you, in the middle of the night, at work, wherever.

So, if you buy from this guy, and he screws you over, or delivers late, or anything of that nature, and you complain or say anything about it, he will harass the hell out of you. Potentially for years. That is ongoing, happening right now, I can personally attest to it as can dozens of others. There are voice recordings, emails, the works.

Why would anyone risk that kind of crap for a bits order they can get anywhere. All the risk is on the customer. It is an absolutely obscene mistake to deal with this guy, ever. Don't do it people. It's like playing russian roulette to win a half empty milk carton, risk vs reward makes absolutely no sense at all.

Warn everyone you know.

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:


Why does Munkey Joe need Mandelbaum to work with? Even if he were to deliver the goods, there are other people who can build and convert models, people who don't have a history of fabricating stories and disappearing with people's money. How can you seriously enter into business with some you a) don't know where they live and b) have never met?

I'm not sure about this but Tommy is a good guy. I've had a few conversations with him via PM and facebook, and he is really good friends with a few of my great friends like Meg Maples.

Exiled Thanks for saying nice things. I feel I am a good guy. And Treesong, I DO NOT need Daniel. I have a sculptor and I can contract more. What I DO want is truth and to close an open contract on existing products that I have. And It seems I am getting More truth than wrap up....

I would like to thank EVERYONE who is PMing me here and on facebook with links and pictures or misconduct. While It is taking some time to work through them all (88 Pages.... really??) Some serious questions are coming to the forefront. Questions I will have to get someone to answer. Digging deeper it seems Is what I was needing all along and now that I am being fed multiple sites and sources its overwhelming. BUT I will continue to soldier through it as I am after one thing, the truth.

Daniel, I know you will read this and I will contact you via Facebook But we have some issues to discuss sir. I said "I will always shoot you straight, and All I ask is the same" you agreed, but I have some questions about it. I'll contact you soon after I have everything prepared for our discussion.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I'll exalt that.

Agreed, to use an in thread example, if I were Aj and received 15 calls in just as many minutes and it wasn't an emergency, I would be on the phone with my local PD as well as the local PD of the place the person is calling from, verizon, and anyone else connected to my telecommunication services getting that number blocked and getting harassment charges filled toot sweet.

Alph, there's no reason to take even one more call from this jerkwad.

Agreed - you've told him before, and he didn't listen. He is unlikely to listen this time.

Your actions will speak louder than his words...

Hey guys,

For those who are being harassed by repeated threatening phone calls and voicemails, please report it to your local police and give them the following information. It will be Very easy for them to follow up on:

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They can simply type "Daniel Mandelbaum" onto this page, and it will bring up 2 past criminal charges. He was acquitted on the assault charges, but convicted on drug possession:

http://www.dallascounty.org/criminalBackgroundSearch/

I have also attached to this message a PDF of a complaint with incident number that Daniel filed about "disturbing posts on the internet" in May with his local police. This lists an incident number, Daniel's address, and a number for the officer involved. It should be very easy for them to get in touch with the Dallas PD regarding him using this.

Note that the address should read "McCallum Blvd". The "Blvd" was left off on the report attached below.

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Hope this helps, guys. With the above link to his past conviction, and the attached report that he filed himself, it should be more than enough info for your local police to contact his police and make the harassment stop.

Cheers,
RiTides

@AJ:
Google (which operates Google Voice where the numbers harassing you belong to) keeps the connection data of all calls for 90 days (NSA 4 Life!). Since Google does not give out user information to private persons, your way is to contact your police department. They will contact Google and receive the connection data. Since we all know where Daniel lives and all these kinds of request are collected in a central database this will be a very short episode of him using Google services to harass people. Effectively it will even cost him his precious mail services Such a clever boy, ain't he *lol*

Or if you prefer you can also just go to Daniel's police department, it's quite close to you. I am sure the officers there will be delighted when they look him up and see what he has been up to

EDIT: partly ninja'd by RiTides.

Exiled, see my post above. Using the 2 things above (the link to the Dallas PD website where typing in his name brings up his past conviction, and the attachment to my post above which lists all of his information as he gave it to his local police in May) it will be extremely easy for your local police to contact his police and put a stop to this. It would help others who he is harassing for all of you to report it quickly. So, please file a report.

It should take no more than 30 minutes to do so, and reporting someone for "harassing and threatening phone calls" is common and easy for the police to deal with. But it has to be reported for them to take any action!

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:
So after making my last post, I stepped out of the room to photograph some minis and returned to my phone to this.

Spoiler:

Then as I screen capped and uploaded it to photobucket it turned into this.

And then I blocked the number.

 azreal13 wrote:

I am disappointed that Sami continues to foster an environment that allows his activity, but at least while its a safe harbour, it's somewhere we know to keep an eye. As has been established, it is her right to run her page as she sees fit, it's just disappointing that not everyone is pulling in the same direction in this.

I don't know about that, that may be a little harsh. I pm'd her 3 days ago (friday) when Alan Welson showed up reposting an "Update on the Khorne Hounds" from Black Crusade Studios, giving her a detailed warning about the allegations against Daniel Mandelbaum and "co., with links to several of the threads on Dakka Dakka and the youtube response from the true and rightful owner of the 3d printed Titan.
3 days later I've had no response from her, and I havn't noticed her posting on the page. It may be that shes simply occupied elsewhere and this facebook debacle hasn't yet come to her attention.


DCF has made repeated boasts that Sami will 100% corroborate his story that he is not Daniel M, that Resin Forge is not affiliated with DM, and has threatened me (among others of his critics) with a ban once Sami sees that he's getting "persecuted" again in contravention of her supposed public verdict of "not guilty" (which nobody seems to have seen, and is odd considering he only joined the group 24 hours previously). He's a confident fellow, isn't he.


Several people have also come to his defence, saying hes "innocent until proven guilty", dismissing the threads on Dakka Dakka as a witch hunt.


However, one guy did say that he was falsely accused of being DM, was sent death threats and even a Worm vorus. If this is true then thats rather apalling, doesn't paint Dakka Dakka and co. in a good light and actually lends credence to claims that this is a witch hunt. Can anyone confirm this for me?

Paul Waumsley Sadly I've been accused of being this DM. I work as Sami does 'until proven guilty', I don't have accounts on any forums apart from The Waaagh & FoD yet I've had hate mail from Dakka, Warseer, 40k & so on. Some very nice person went so far as to shoot me a worm virus! All because I said leave it to the artists to sort amongst themselves. I don't know the full history could someone post a list of account names for this individual, I've read James links.

DCF has made repeated boasts that Sami will 100% corroborate his story that he is not Daniel M

How inconvenient that he publicly admitted that RF and Three Stages Studio operate from the same address:


Which in his own (sic!) about section is listed as:
"6703 Levelland Road"


Which is of course (we know that since ages) the address of Michael Mandelbaum's office:

OFFICE BUILDING 1108181078 5-L 08/22/11 6703 LEVELLAND RD Ste MICHAEL MANDELBAUM 1000 B

http://www.dallascityhall.com/building_inspection/co_permits/COsIssuedAug2011.htm

So he can boast whatever he wants, he publicly ackonowledged he is Mandelbaum. And that's it.

Was this true?

Paul Waumsley Sadly I've been accused of being this DM. I work as Sami does 'until proven guilty', I don't have accounts on any forums apart from The Waaagh & FoD yet I've had hate mail from Dakka, Warseer, 40k & so on. Some very nice person went so far as to shoot me a worm virus! All because I said leave it to the artists to sort amongst themselves. I don't know the full history could someone post a list of account names for this individual, I've read James links.

If this is true then its rather apalling, doesn't paint Dakka Dakka and co. in a good light and actually lends credence to claims that this is a witch hunt.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

DCF has made repeated boasts that Sami will 100% corroborate his story that he is not Daniel M

How inconvenient that he publicly admitted that RF and Three Stages Studio operate from the same address:

Spoiler:

Which in his own (sic!) about section is listed as:
"6703 Levelland Road"

Spoiler:

Which is of course (we know that since ages) the address of Michael Mandelbaum's office:

OFFICE BUILDING 1108181078 5-L 08/22/11 6703 LEVELLAND RD Ste MICHAEL MANDELBAUM 1000 B

http://www.dallascityhall.com/building_inspection/co_permits/COsIssuedAug2011.htm

So he can boast whatever he wants, he publicly ackonowledged he is Mandelbaum. And that's it.

Well we can then assume that A & B Cleaning is Michael's business since he's the registered owner for the office it runs out of. So Daniel lists daddy's work as his own. That office is also just .5 miles from their house on McCallum.

Gotta love public records.


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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Was this true?

Paul Waumsley Sadly I've been accused of being this DM. I work as Sami does 'until proven guilty', I don't have accounts on any forums apart from The Waaagh & FoD yet I've had hate mail from Dakka, Warseer, 40k & so on. Some very nice person went so far as to shoot me a worm virus! All because I said leave it to the artists to sort amongst themselves. I don't know the full history could someone post a list of account names for this individual, I've read James links.

If this is true then its rather apalling, doesn't paint Dakka Dakka and co. in a good light and actually lends credence to claims that this is a witch hunt.

How can you get hate mail from Dakka if you don't have a dakka account?

AFAIK only a few people have @dakkadakka.com email accounts, and certainly none of them would be sending such things.

With the exceptions of Yakface and Legoburner, no one can represent DAKKA as a site. And Yakface, who owns the site, has said he has no position on this topic.

No user can say they ARE dakka.

If this is true then its rather apalling, doesn't paint Dakka Dakka and co. in a good light and actually lends credence to claims that this is a witch hunt.

Despite his claims he did not provide any instances that he was identified by or on Dakka as Daniel. So I call BS.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Was this true?

Paul Waumsley Sadly I've been accused of being this DM. I work as Sami does 'until proven guilty', I don't have accounts on any forums apart from The Waaagh & FoD yet I've had hate mail from Dakka, Warseer, 40k & so on. Some very nice person went so far as to shoot me a worm virus! All because I said leave it to the artists to sort amongst themselves. I don't know the full history could someone post a list of account names for this individual, I've read James links.

If this is true then its rather apalling, doesn't paint Dakka Dakka and co. in a good light and actually lends credence to claims that this is a witch hunt.

It certainly doesn't. Though, to be clear, there is no 'Dakka Dakka' involved in this. The owners made their position clear and are out of it. Everyone here is posting as members, as well as on tons of other sites and blogs. You can't say Verizon is endorsing anything or part of it just because people are talking on their Cel phones. The same goes for Dakka.

That being said, I personally, and most people who post here, by a large degree, have NEVER and would never endorse illegal action or consequences on anyone, even Mandelbaum himself. I strongly condemn anyone harrassing Sami or anyone else, and certainly doubly so if it is in the name of 'Dakka' or the community. It's been said a million times, and it bears repeating. I would love to see Mandelbaum face consequences for his actions, but ONLY from legal and duly appointed representatives of the law. It is not our job to punish this guy. I am all for protecting the community, and to some that may be deemed 'punishing', but there is a big bloody difference between that and going after anyone physically, digitally or otherwise. I will not sit idly by and invite a robber into my home. But that doesn't mean I get to chase him back to his place and break into it either.

Don't sink to his level. Don't harass anyone. Keep Mandelbaum outside the gates yes, but do it the right way.

As to these claims that "Sami" (does anybody actually confirm that she is a real person?) backs up "Daniel Charlie Frank", Sami will be highly interested that Daniel Charlie Frank walks around faking and tampering with her messages (see also two pages before post by Shadow Captain EdithaeMade).

That's from DCF's account:


Notice the really shoddy attempt at tampering, but it's Daniel, he's too dumb for proper photoshopping.

Here's the original message as grabbed before (duuhhhuuu Daniel):


Which conclusively shows (just to drive it in, it was already stated before) that:
a) Sami Lynn communicated with "Alan" (Welson) not with "Daniel Charlie Frank"
b) Daniel Charlie Frank fakes messages from Sami Lynn to create credibility
c) Daniel Charlie Frank has access to the private message of "Alan" (Welson) -> proving that Daniel Mandelbaum was behind Black Crusade Studios, as we claimed.

Yup, I was just about to post that, beat me to it!

So there you go, public proof of what I said at the beginning, Daniel Mandelbaum = Alan Welson, Black Crusade Studios = Resin Forge. All of the above = scam.

Tell your friends.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

I think we are close to an endgame here. We have a united community response and a plethora of information. This guy has no where to go now.

There is no endgame. Don't stylize this into some kind of glorious battle. This is plain and simple a mentally deranged stalker. The only way these people stop is when they are locked up. Daniel will never go away, but he will be hurt for each transgression of restraining orders.

Isn't that the point? It's clear this guy is breaking the law and is a blight on the community, so when it gets to the point that the community stops sending this guy any sort of support, isn't that an "endgame"?

I understand he is mentally deranged and might be dangerous, but when he can't try any of his antics without them being immediately called out, isn't that it? The community already seems to be putting such an infrastructure together, and it will require much vigilance, but it seems like we might have a tiny bit of resolution.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

I am disappointed that Sami continues to foster an environment that allows his activity, but at least while its a safe harbour, it's somewhere we know to keep an eye. As has been established, it is her right to run her page as she sees fit, it's just disappointing that not everyone is pulling in the same direction in this.

I don't know about that, that may be a little harsh. I pm'd her 3 days ago (friday) when Alan Welson showed up reposting an "Update on the Khorne Hounds" from Black Crusade Studios, giving her a detailed warning about the allegations against Daniel Mandelbaum and "co., with links to several of the threads on Dakka Dakka and the youtube response from the true and rightful owner of the 3d printed Titan.
3 days later I've had no response from her, and I havn't noticed her posting on the page. It may be that shes simply occupied elsewhere and this facebook debacle hasn't yet come to her attention.

You're new, so won't recall her previous Ostrich Strategy a few weeks ago when the Alan Welson/BCS stuff blew up. At this point in time there is no doubt that she is aware of the situation and simply cannot/will not/does not want to deal with it.

Guys can we please focus, just for a second, on the fact that he is now publicly busted as Alan Welson and not what Sami did a month ago? Maybe someone wants to bring to her attention she has been used and manipulated exactly in the manner we warned her of?

Meanwhile, on the Fansite for Gamesworkshop page I'm sworn at and called a ranting old woman who should get a fething spine, because apparently I'm getting in the way of pretty pictures of Space Marines. And then another member accuses me of "screaming". Funny that. I've not been making insults. About the rudest thing I've said is "Fine. You clearly don't give a gak that a known and prolific scammer is frequenting this page, so I'll leave it at that". Isn't the internet wonderful?

how about you saddos just go make a group OR get a fething spine and do something other than rant and rave like a bunch of old women about it

The posts by Daniel Mandelbaum and co. are still up, and they are still members.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys can we please focus, just for a second, on the fact that he is now publicly busted as Alan Welson and not what Sami did a month ago? Maybe someone wants to bring to her attention she has been used and manipulated exactly in the manner we warned her of?

Wait, didn't we know before that Alan Welson was DM?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys can we please focus, just for a second, on the fact that he is now publicly busted as Alan Welson and not what Sami did a month ago? Maybe someone wants to bring to her attention she has been used and manipulated exactly in the manner we warned her of?

I pm'd her 3 days ago, still no response. And someone else has already posted the screen caps asking Sami if she realises that shes been used. As of now theres a 60 comment argument going back and forth, with one side saying they got the message, DM is a scammer but they don't care they just want to see more pictures of models instead of seeing Warnings about the scammer operating in the group constantly popping up in their newsfeed.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys can we please focus, just for a second, on the fact that he is now publicly busted as Alan Welson and not what Sami did a month ago? Maybe someone wants to bring to her attention she has been used and manipulated exactly in the manner we warned her of?

Wait, didn't we know before that Alan Welson was DM?

we knew, but no one, especially Alan was admitting he was Daniel. We now have public proof that Alan is Dan, which corroborates evidence said in this thread since page 1 or 2.

I did, there were some doubters out there on my word alone, understandably. Now there is point blank public evidence supplied Alandelbaum himself, so let's make sure anyone who doubted knows that we were spot on, again, and again, Mandelbaum put on a despicable display up to and including threats of suicide of his fictional alias to make the community look bad.

All those people looking for hard in your face evidence on this particular alias now have what they should need, so make sure if you see them out there to point to that specific post.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/780/548621.page#6101546

I understood right off the bat that just like with Resin Forge before it, outting Mandelbaum without saying how I knew would leave some people understandably neutral in the interest of objective fairness. But that time is over. There it is, in black and white.

For you and me it doesn't really change anything. But there are a lot of folks out there those screenshots will be game-changers for.