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Lol there is nothing to be fair about, I said that I know of, not that all brown rivet users are the devil lol!

Plus, big Mach here is on a different level, didn't motive the rivets because so much awesome

I've had an account of a scam pulled by DM in his 'Resin Forge' guise.

The victim wishes to remain anonymous, having followed DM's erratic behaviour in previous accounts, so I will have to ask that you believe this account, or not, but I will not be giving specific details,

Earlier this year, the buyer agreed to purchase goods from Resin Forge, and paid for goods and delivery through PayPal.

After the goods had not arrived after a few weeks, they chased DM, asking for details on the delivery (international ), and was told that yes, the goods had been despatched, but only recently following 'personal issues' DM had been experiencing.

A few more weeks passed and the buyer asked for a refund as the goods had not materialised. DM promised a 50% refund and the goods should they turn up.

As of now (6 months later) no goods - no refund.

The buyer had given up any hope until I posted on FB and Twitter to look here, but still does not hold out my hope of getting a refund.

So there we have it - a unhappy customer for RESIN FORGE, something DM claimed did not exist.

I've shared contact details with the buyer (and also the mods here).

 Art Steventon wrote:
I've had an account of a scam pulled by DM in his 'Resin Forge' guise.

The victim wishes to remain anonymous, having followed DM's erratic behaviour in previous accounts, so I will have to ask that you believe this account, or not, but I will not be giving specific details,

Earlier this year, the buyer agreed to purchase goods from Resin Forge, and paid for goods and delivery through PayPal.

After the goods had not arrived after a few weeks, they chased DM, asking for details on the delivery (international ), and was told that yes, the goods had been despatched, but only recently following 'personal issues' DM had been experiencing.

A few more weeks passed and the buyer asked for a refund as the goods had not materialised. DM promised a 50% refund and the goods should they turn up.

As of now (6 months later) no goods - no refund.

The buyer had given up any hope until I posted on FB and Twitter to look here, but still does not hold out my hope of getting a refund.

So there we have it - a unhappy customer for RESIN FORGE, something DM claimed did not exist.

I've shared contact details with the buyer (and also the mods here).

So how did he Pay for the items from RF? if it was paypal, he could of claimed it back, if it was via Debit or credit card he could of claimed it back. And if it was Paypal gift. then well what did he expect?

People expect honest dealing. It may be naive but there it is.

Paypal's complaint and refund structure has a time limit. A scammer will seek to drag out the complaint beyond the 45 days (?) so that the money can't be clawed back.

IDK how it works with credit cards, however Mandelbaum probably doesn't have a facility to take payments by credit card.

However, interesting though the story is, it cannot be taken as proof without the alleged victim revealing something of his experience and identity. An email chain, for instance.

I can understand why he would not want to get involved, though.

His best recourse is to file a police report. Made even better because it is international.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
People expect honest dealing. It may be naive but there it is.

Paypal's complaint and refund structure has a time limit. A scammer will seek to drag out the complaint beyond the 45 days (?) so that the money can't be clawed back.

IDK how it works with credit cards, however Mandelbaum probably doesn't have a facility to take payments by credit card.

However, interesting though the story is, it cannot be taken as proof without the alleged victim revealing something of his experience and identity. An email chain, for instance.

I can understand why he would not want to get involved, though.

I cant actualy see any reason why someone who has been scammed, and has done nothing wrong would not come forward, if anything to warn off others. personaly if i had been scammed by someone, I would let other know. and provide proof about it. Waiting weeks in order to get models, and not claiming back your money through the paymeant source even on the very last day allowed to do so. If he purchased goods that he did not recieve via paypal gift, he can also report that, as that will be counted as un declared taxes. I dont want to go as far as saying the poster here made up the story, as his friend could of just been very very very naive. how ever it does sound rather dodgey in its self.

I guess if there are maney more people who have gotten scammed by DM and wont come forward as they "dont want to get involved" then there is no reason why DM will not continue to do what he is doing.

If I'd bought something from a seller who is known to harass people, I'd want to keep my name out of a thread that I know the seller reads.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
If I'd bought something from a seller who is known to harass people, I'd want to keep my name out of a thread that I know the seller reads.

Harassmeant is also an offence, especially international. And with todays Cyber bullying crap all over the news every 5 miniutes. It will be dealt with fast.

Its easier to not have it occur than to try and sort it out while its happening.
People like to avoid confrontation if they can.
Just sayin.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Its easier to not have it occur than to try and sort it out while its happening.
People like to avoid confrontation if they can.
Just sayin.

Suppose so. I guess we will have to wait for someone else to get scammed. to take any action. I would buy something my self if it wasnt for the fact it would be classed as entrapmeant to buy something in the hope he scams me lol

 Kilkrazy wrote:
People expect honest dealing. It may be naive but there it is.

Paypal's complaint and refund structure has a time limit. A scammer will seek to drag out the complaint beyond the 45 days (?) so that the money can't be clawed back.

IDK how it works with credit cards, however Mandelbaum probably doesn't have a facility to take payments by credit card.

However, interesting though the story is, it cannot be taken as proof without the alleged victim revealing something of his experience and identity. An email chain, for instance.

I can understand why he would not want to get involved, though.

Art has provided me with the name and evidence, it is legit. And the reasons for not coming forward are unfortunately very obvious at this point as DM would have the contact details and no compunction about harassing the living crap out of them.

That being said, I can give my word that I have a name and specific story behind this, and I would hope at this point, that would count for a little something when it comes to this subject


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 cerbrus2 wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Its easier to not have it occur than to try and sort it out while its happening.
People like to avoid confrontation if they can.
Just sayin.

Suppose so. I guess we will have to wait for someone else to get scammed. to take any action. I would buy something my self if it wasnt for the fact it would be classed as entrapmeant to buy something in the hope he scams me lol

I believe normal citizens are exempt from 'entrapment', on cops can't do it. Also, I don't see really how it is entrapment, as you aren't doing anything out of the ordinary to 'cajole' misbehaviour.

It would not be entrapment if you ordered something and he did not deliver it, because you are not offering inducement for him to commit a crime.

1st, entrapment has to be done by an agent of the government. Private citizens can act as an agent, but they have to be directed by the government to be considered one.

2nd, for it to be entrapment, the police would have to say "scam people, its okay, we won't do anything". Then when he commits the scam, they arrest him.

what KK said is on. He has to be induced to do it.

Then i may just purchase from him. As its a sad fact that people are unwilling to come forward in the fear that they will be hasseld by DM. If this is the case then he has allready won.


EDIT: also seems as though everything has been deleted off of the facebook group Just checked it and it empty. No photos no posts no nothing.

Then i may just purchase from him. As its a sad fact that people are unwilling to come forward in the fear that they will be hasseld by DM. If this is the case then he has allready won.

No, in fact he has lost. Because people will a) not buy in the first place because they are afarid of being harassed later or b) if they buy should be clever enougn to not hand over telephone numbers under any circumstances.

To which FB page are you referring?

Also, he hasn't won anything. Every single 'customer' of his, everyone he wants to sell some illegal crap to on the sly, everyone he may want to screw over could be someone just like you who wants to catch him and nail him.

All this attention has certainly, certainly impacted his ability to scam, I assure you. The fact he went back to RF and didn't just start something else as he attempted to with BCS means he knows his ability to do so unnoticed is over.

All the biggest FB groups are watching for him. All the biggest forums are watching for him. He has most certainly not 'won', in fact, he has never been more boxed in than he is now.

If anyone is buying from him, at least they are doing so quite likely in full knowledge of who he is, and at that point, I have no pity for them when he finally starts screwing people. People who have his history in front of them and ignore it have no bloody sympathy from me. I am glad that quite a few have been spared buying from him.

 cerbrus2 wrote:



EDIT: also seems as though everything has been deleted off of the facebook group Just checked it and it empty. No photos no posts no nothing.

Nope, all still there.

 Art Steventon wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:



EDIT: also seems as though everything has been deleted off of the facebook group Just checked it and it empty. No photos no posts no nothing.

Nope, all still there.

Just the Resin Forge page then. Resin forge store is still populated as you say.

Just to point out, a fulfilled order doesn't necessarily remove accusations of scamming by DM.

Not having a go or anything cerbrus2, but scams nearly always include legitimate orders as well as unfulfilled ones so as to increase trust in the scam and allow accusations of scammery to be swept under the carpet.

Plus, DM watches this thread, so it would be unlikely to be a blind test. By all means go for it though.

Another "Daniel Charlie Frank = Daniel Mandelbaum" nail just in case;

PS : Just wanted to add - all the side discussions that have absolutely nothing pertinent to add to this case are rather distracting from the developing story itself.

There is no need to add nails to the coffin. It's nailed.

Daniel Charlie Frank is Daniel Mandelbaum by his own admission. Alan Welson is Daniel Mandelbaum by his own errors and other evidence.

100% rock solidly known, no doubt, no need to point out slip-ups at this point. We can all just proceed to discuss both items as fact. Nail in the coffin implies it is still somehow in question, and it isn't.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
There is no need to add nails to the coffin. It's nailed.

Daniel Charlie Frank is Daniel Mandelbaum by his own admission. Alan Welson is Daniel Mandelbaum by his own errors and other evidence.

100% rock solidly known, no doubt, no need to point out slip-ups at this point. We can all just proceed to discuss both items as fact. Nail in the coffin implies it is still somehow in question, and it isn't.

Fair enough. With all the non-pertinent things happening in this thread it's often hard to work out what exactly has transpired.

Another "Daniel Charlie Frank = Daniel Mandelbaum" nail just in case;

That combined with the statement directly above to be clear, as the "About section" actually names "Daniel Mandelbaum".

Which is new by the way, as my screenshot from Sep 30 in this thread clearly shows. Of course founder is not necessarily owner, no doubt a convenient fall-back should the need arise, ey, Daniel?

30 Sep:


Today:



P.S.: phone number also changed.

Don't know if anyone's posted this, but the site's changed a bit.


http://www.resinforge.com

 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
Don't know if anyone's posted this, but the site's changed a bit.


http://www.resinforge.com

What changed about the site? Everything is as it was, just with the new "open" image. I thought you meant like an overhaul on the theme/layout of the site.

It looks overhauled to me... sure you aren't seeing a cached version?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
It looks overhauled to me... sure you aren't seeing a cached version?

I shouldn't be, I do everything in private browsing, so I shouldn't have cached versions of the site... I'm not saying it hasn't been updated, but from web viewing experiences it doesn't look different

Tom could you screen cap what you're seeing?

Here is what I'm seeing on my phone and computer, which looks like how it did a few weeks ago.



Compare that to the way the site looked back in June:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130616131959/http://resinforge.com/

Only thing on the page now is "I refuse to be harassed any longer." Screenshot coming soon.




ResinForge Store facebook page also not available.

 Art Steventon wrote:
I've had an account of a scam pulled by DM in his 'Resin Forge' guise....
...I've shared contact details with the buyer (and also the mods here).

It wasn't someone off the Fansite for GW page was it? If it was, then a "We told you so" is in order for Sami and co.


Its a shame that DM chooses to act so dishonestly, because he definitely has some good hobby potential. I know that DM has been caught passing off other people's work as his own in the past so anything that he claims to be his own work is suspect, but if the Sons of Horus army were genuinely made by him then he definitely has some good skills at converting models and making personalised bases (though his painting is still cack). Heck, if he didn't have such a piss poor, untrustworthy reputation then I'd be interested in buying those SOH models and paint them myself.

He should stick to doing what he (apparently) does best:

-converting models
-personalised bases
-he should build a COMPLETE army and THEN try to sell it.

He should NOT be operating a retail business (selling Forgeworld product, selling Titans which he does not own and has no right to sell). But he could do honest work, by building and converting complete armies, ONE ARMY at a time, from start until completion. When an army collection is complete, he can then advertise it and put it up for sale. He should NOT take commissions, because he's proven that he has no ability or intention to actually fulfill the orders he takes, except when he needs a Useful Idiot, sorry, Customer to make himself look good.


Forgeworld stuff is hard to work with, so there must surely be a market for complete armies of Forgeworld Resin models, properly cleaned, converted and based with an interesting unifying theme (Horus Heresy Siege army, Urban fighters, etc). Build and convert a complete army, THEN sell it.

Just last week I finished converting a Horus Heresy Legion Recon squad (the snipers) into a 40K era Raven Guard Sternguard team (using FW Umbra Ferrox boltguns) and it was a real nightmare to build. I coated my hands in glue, it took several attempts to get the boltguns to line up with the arms (designed for sniper rifles and shotguns, NOT the bulkier UF boltguns), I cut my thumb a few times (3 paper size cuts), got glue all over the dining room table. If I had the money, I'd definately be inclined to buy full units or armies already built, converted and based.

From DM -

I closed the FB page and closed the website. The website takes a bit before its taken down though.

Im done with your bullgak games. You guys have had my home address since 2009 when rick came. My number has NEVER changed, both the 632 and 864. Always the same. Claiming you cant find me for years was bs. I have a load more to say but ill end it with fek you.

The little charmer.

You'll forgive us if we don't let our guard down.

Oh well it's been 2 days, time for some more dramatics I suppose. Continue to adore that he thinks I am orchestrating the whole community single-handedly and that this would not be happening otherwise lol. With me or without me Mandelbaum, you would be in the same spot. Again, please feel free to yell obscenities at the mirror should you feel the need to actually address the real and only person single handedly responsible for your situation.