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That's a fair point, Sinful Hero, although imo not really relevant because Daniel has convinced people to be his "new Admin" several times in the past.

So, if he has convinced a real wargamer to work with him, it just points to more of the same behavior... if the "new Admin" turns out to be real, it really makes no difference, as bolters4life has demonstrated here that Daniel Mandelbaum is still involved either way.

Yup, the last person he convinced to be an admin was our very own AJ, who ended up being a big mistake for Daniel as AJ was actually an honest guy willing to put in the time to read the case history... as soon as he did, the jig was up. This is not his first proxy admin and alias by any means...

The fact his previous admins were either him, or, turned on him when they realized the lies were constant and overwhelming is a pretty well documented thing in and of itself now.

Aj, is a good guy, and a good friend. I am proud to admit he is potentially more honest than me.

Daniel seems to find it fabricate supporters who time and again spin the same line about turning a new leaf, how there are two sides to every story, false claims of threats to his person, and usually flat denials and rejection of heaps of evidence and personal testimony for those scammed. The last step is usually to start abusing Dakka users, I've read so many Mandelbaum threads now. Best to nip it in the bus before going through 20 pages of the usual rubbish.

I don't understand what mileage Mandelbaum sees in the thoroughly discredited Resin Forge, but for all his scheming we know he isn't the sharpest tool in the box. He often seems indignant that we prevent him ripping people off, maybe he just doesn't see it as wrong in any way.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
He often seems indignant that we prevent him ripping people off, maybe he just doesn't see it as wrong in any way.

Often the people con artists are best at lying to are themselves.

Thanks for the quick defense guys!

Funny that a new member on Dakka would know where I live despite my profile saying Dallas.

Not that the fact that he quickly got defensive and started going in circles didn't already give it away.

Good job Daniel.

Presumably as Resin Forge is being sold Mandelbaum will have registered it as required by law. Bolters4life might gain some credibility by sharing the information.

Wow! I've never seen DM at work. Thanks for provoking him so we can all see is writing/argument style.


Weak....

 ExiledMiniatures wrote:
Thanks for the quick defense guys!

Funny that a new member on Dakka would know where I live despite my profile saying Dallas.

Not that the fact that he quickly got defensive and started going in circles didn't already give it away.

Good job Daniel.

I banned that account... but if he came up with a business #, I would surely let him back in! Daniel knows my email address. Or his Dad does. Otherwise they are just here to sow bs... ask for evidence, ignore giant evidence thread. lol.

bolters4life wrote:


Seems the best option (and only one) to me right now. We know how things have been in the past and we simply need to watch for it. If it happens, we warn others as has been the past shutting him down rather quickly each time. It is also very sad as his skill far exceeds the average and its shamed to see it wasted.

Overread - I'm torn on your opinion. I see it as a 50/50 way in that it could have been either way. Quick cash or slow work/lazy. Who knows. All we can do now is watch, wait and if anything comes up, let the community know.

I general, posts with no new facts don't help anyone and in fact make his case stronger. Personally, I hope that the fact his new Admin is known in the local community is a great sign. I just hope he doesn't get harassed over all of this when he clearly, from what ive seen and head, has a great reputation as a stand up man.

Hello, Daniel. Ready for the next scam ?

EDIT: Didn't read that he's already banned. Ah well.

We know exactly who he is and where he lives right?

Are his local Police doing anything or do they just not care?

Like sands through the mentally deranged hourglass...

Eric

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
We know exactly who he is and where he lives right?

Are his local Police doing anything or do they just not care?

Any attempts during his last scam to get police involvement were ignored.
At this point there isn't anything for the police to do. If he takes money from someone though it becomes a different story.

Maybe, maybe not. The cops don't take it seriously. The amounts are not significant enough individually. It would take a group acting together to really nail him. Ultimately the authorities are the only ones who can or should take action against him. We can keep trying to make them notice when he acts up, but the only thing that is completely in our control is making sure we do what we can to keep this blight out of our community and spread the word. And that's what we'll do.

The legal front has got problems:

1) Daniel only takes small amounts when compared to other crimes/scams; he's basically small-fry and too small for most to worry about the paperwork for.

2) His companies have often worked internationally which makes it a lot harder to get a group organised and able to take legal action.

3) The time and money involved in bringing him to court is likely more than most people have lost to him; so at a finance level its a risk - plus a very good chance that even if he did get court fines he'd likely not pay them (or simply delay paying for so long its not worth it).

4) Miniature wargames are - to many people, basically toys so unless Daniel started scamming thousands of pounds on a regular constant basis its just not enough for police to be worried about.


I do recall in the past that there has been some police involvement and I think in the RF case there was a crime number someone had of a local force who were looking into/gathering data. However I don't think anything has come from it.

I suspect the only thing that will shut him down is if payment services (paypal) and trading sites kick him out. He's already banned from ebay (if I recall right) and the forums/hobby websites generally kick him out when he's exposed and evidence presented to them.
So the more ways he can take money that are shut down the more "risky" ways he is left with, risky in the sense for the buyer and normal flags of a scam setup (things like "Western Union" and Bank transfers).

bolters4life wrote:
Resin Forge was no scam. Links please? they will simply show 2-3 people who had custom problems and were given refunds even after paper was provided as proof of shipping as well as tracking.

That is the one thing I will stand up for him over.

As for his MO, watch, wait, you will find nothing I'm afraid. I do understand your points and frankly, I do respect them. But please, do not say a company was a scam

Well, I'm still sitting on a pint for Daniel and his buddies, after their no-show at the HH Weekender last year, which they were taking 'empty suitcases' to, to bring back 'bagfulls' of Fulgrims.

Which they never did. Luckily, no-one was taken in by the scam and so no money was lost.

Still a scam though, even though it FAILED.

Though I do owe Danny boy a debt of thanks - I've made a couple of good friends/ contacts in North America which is nice.

EDIT: apologies, really should read through the whole bloody thread..... Still, my last point stands.

 Overread wrote:
The legal front has got problems:

1) Daniel only takes small amounts when compared to other crimes/scams; he's basically small-fry and too small for most to worry about the paperwork for.

what about scam artists asking for $5-20 for charities to build schools in africa or chile? Doesn't matter if it's small sums, it does add up. The question is how seriously it's taken by the police.

2) His companies have often worked internationally which makes it a lot harder to get a group organised and able to take legal action.

yes and no. Nobody wants to deal with it becasuse of the pain involved in corresponding and having everything check out. It's not that it's harder, it's that it's more paperwork and correspondence that nobody wants to deal with

3) The time and money involved in bringing him to court is likely more than most people have lost to him; so at a finance level its a risk - plus a very good chance that even if he did get court fines he'd likely not pay them (or simply delay paying for so long its not worth it).

unless of course you are the state that's bringing to trial a criminal individual. You might get your stuff back, you might not, but it's still worth it to engage in the effort of seeing him put through the justice system. Class action civil law suit? Probably a waste of time. Witness in a criminal prosecution? There's ways to allow for people to be in court without being in court. And yes, it's a lot of time and money as well, but it's in the state's hands, so cost isn't the real issue, but the perceived seriousness.

4) Miniature wargames are - to many people, basically toys so unless Daniel started scamming thousands of pounds on a regular constant basis its just not enough for police to be worried about.

that's a fine line between a toy and not a toy. Souped up Supra? ehhhhhhh I'm going to call that a toy. I agree about the ammount, but it doesn't even have to be thousands, it can be hundreds. A cutpurse is still going to get bagged even if all he manages to steal are $15 worth of cheques, if he gets caught, he's goign to end up being fed to the justice system. It's how seriously the item in question is taken, and that stigma around grown men playing with dolls.... well?.... ..... well!...

I suspect the only thing that will shut him down is if payment services (paypal) and trading sites kick him out. He's already banned from ebay (if I recall right) and the forums/hobby websites generally kick him out when he's exposed and evidence presented to them.
So the more ways he can take money that are shut down the more "risky" ways he is left with, risky in the sense for the buyer and normal flags of a scam setup (things like "Western Union" and Bank transfers).

well, there's always gettign serious about your scamming and creating new accounts, getting fake names to create said accounts, etc.

Poda I think some people have tried to drum up a class action; but from memory (I think its mentioned earlier in this thread) you actually have to scam a very large sum of money before a class action can be filed against you; so again its his smaller scale of operation that in effect protects him. (it was either class action or international class action that had the money based limit on it).

Also considering how he has trouble posing as other people I suspect Daniel is simply not in a position to actually create fake bank account details. The closest he'd likely get is using a local person he knows well (ergo a friend) to register details in their name for him or go into business with him.
It's also likely that he might be avoiding doing such so as to not attract attention of the banks who would be more likely to take him to court. I suspect that its the more serious nature that Ebay takes today with protecting customers which explains why he's not using (far as I recall/ weknow) Ebay any more.

 Overread wrote:
Poda I think some people have tried to drum up a class action; but from memory (I think its mentioned earlier in this thread) you actually have to scam a very large sum of money before a class action can be filed against you; so again its his smaller scale of operation that in effect protects him. (it was either class action or international class action that had the money based limit on it).

Also considering how he has trouble posing as other people I suspect Daniel is simply not in a position to actually create fake bank account details. The closest he'd likely get is using a local person he knows well (ergo a friend) to register details in their name for him or go into business with him.
It's also likely that he might be avoiding doing such so as to not attract attention of the banks who would be more likely to take him to court. I suspect that its the more serious nature that Ebay takes today with protecting customers which explains why he's not using (far as I recall/ weknow) Ebay any more.

i wasn't rooting for a civil class action. at that point it'd be cheaper for the involved individuals to just buy their own models. Criminal action brought by the state? Oh hell yes.

As to the fake ID? It's not the ease of it, it's the attempt and trying to actually do it. technically, engaging in a contract using a fake name isn't something that's taken in a positive light. And it's not the banks that will take him to court for the fake ID, but the state for violating any one of several criminal codes.

Poda, your convictions not withstanding it simply hasn't worked out in the way you think it would when it comes to these institutions being interested.

that's the thing though. It's worked out exactly how I thought, which is just snickering and "yeah, sure, I'll get right on it and send this up to the chief once i've typed it off on my invisible typewriter"

I'm trying to decipher this thread , but can someone explain to me a little bit more in detail on what exactly is occuring?

1. He is a person claiming to have access to 3D printable files for Forgeworld, the after payment claims the files were damage and does not provide the models?

And some questions

1. Does he only accept cash?
2. Has anyone from another state ever wired him money?
3. Has anyone ever mailed him money?
4. Has anyone sent a money order to him that was purchased through the US Postal Service?


Thanks, because if he has done any of those he's committed a felony. Just contact the US Post Office they have a specific division dedicated to mail fraud. They take it pretty seriously.

If anyone wired him money, that's wire fraud. That's a felony.

The amount doesn't matter, it's not "theft". It's fraud which is a lot worse especially if its over state lines. So if anyone has that information that would be great and I can post some resources.

Oh if he has more than one person working for him or helping him that's conspiracy to commit fraud ( uh would have to be at the office to look it up, but that's SUPER serious).

One person doing this is less time than if it's more than one.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

That's the number for the postal inspector, while not the area I work in really at all and I'm not a lawyer just very familiar with CJ as I have a degree in it. Anyway , that's a federal crime it also does cover electronic mediums. The police wouldn't visit his house, a federal agent would.

Hollismason wrote:
I'm trying to decipher this thread , but can someone explain to me a little bit more in detail on what exactly is occuring?

1. He is a person claiming to have access to 3D printable files for Forgeworld, the after payment claims the files were damage and does not provide the models?

And some questions

1. Does he only accept cash?
2. Has anyone from another state ever wired him money?
3. Has anyone ever mailed him money?
4. Has anyone sent a money order to him that was purchased through the US Postal Service?


Thanks, because if he has done any of those he's committed a felony. Just contact the US Post Office they have a specific division dedicated to mail fraud. They take it pretty seriously.

If anyone wired him money, that's wire fraud. That's a felony.

The amount doesn't matter, it's not "theft". It's fraud which is a lot worse especially if its over state lines. So if anyone has that information that would be great and I can post some resources.

Oh if he has more than one person working for him or helping him that's conspiracy to commit fraud ( uh would have to be at the office to look it up, but that's SUPER serious).

One person doing this is less time than if it's more than one.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

That's the number for the postal inspector, while not the area I work in really at all and I'm not a lawyer just very familiar with CJ as I have a degree in it. Anyway , that's a federal crime it also does cover electronic mediums. The police wouldn't visit his house, a federal agent would.

Looks like you need to just set back and read the thread.......

Hollismason wrote:
I'm trying to decipher this thread , but can someone explain to me a little bit more in detail on what exactly is occuring?

1. He is a person claiming to have access to 3D printable files for Forgeworld, the after payment claims the files were damage and does not provide the models?

And some questions

1. Does he only accept cash?
2. Has anyone from another state ever wired him money?
3. Has anyone ever mailed him money?
4. Has anyone sent a money order to him that was purchased through the US Postal Service?


Thanks, because if he has done any of those he's committed a felony. Just contact the US Post Office they have a specific division dedicated to mail fraud. They take it pretty seriously.

If anyone wired him money, that's wire fraud. That's a felony.

The amount doesn't matter, it's not "theft". It's fraud which is a lot worse especially if its over state lines. So if anyone has that information that would be great and I can post some resources.

Oh if he has more than one person working for him or helping him that's conspiracy to commit fraud ( uh would have to be at the office to look it up, but that's SUPER serious).

One person doing this is less time than if it's more than one.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/locators/find-is.cfm

That's the number for the postal inspector, while not the area I work in really at all and I'm not a lawyer just very familiar with CJ as I have a degree in it. Anyway , that's a federal crime it also does cover electronic mediums. The police wouldn't visit his house, a federal agent would.

You have a lot of information there that's correct in theory, though not so much in practice.
USPS claims to make a big deal about Mail Fraud. In my time on Bartertown as both, a member and as staf, I've probably seen a dizen or more reports about Mail Fraud get made to the USPS site and to the IC3 site (which is supposed to take it "very seriously," too). Know how many of those dozen+ have ever beein investigated?
ZIPPO.

You have to push HARD to get any help from the police. They want to treat it like a broken contract, which removes them from the picture and takes you straight to a lawyer and/or court (usually small claims).

Eric

Further on topic, no activity from ResinForge in over 2 weeks.

Yeah last activity was on the 30th May, where he's even trying to make jokes back regarding parrots.

I guess he didn't get the attention he was hoping for or whatever alternative plan he has already went into motion/fell apart. Might even be that he was hoping for a slew of people rallying to support and wanting to purchase and sending emails of interest to that effect - and when he got little to nothing gave up.

Wouldn't surprise me if he hope he could get one last bang of "new owner come make orders/pre-orders" and then do a runner as he's done in the past.

Sometimes, on behalf of the miniature gaming community, I wish we could file a class-action lawsuit against this guy...

Well, if anyone actually knows a pro bono lawyer who wants to take it up (perhaps who is a wargamer themselves / for the good of the community) feel free to PM me, as I have a ton of compiled evidence just waiting for such a day.

However, I think any discussion of legal action belongs in PM, rather than in this thread, so like I said feel free!

Well guys, quick question. do you have his physical address to start sending such law suits?
if you need it PM me 'cause I do!!!!!

I'm putting the hammer down.

Just google him, his address is easy to find through the webpage Whitepages IIRC. Why do you wish to do something, has he taken money from you recently?