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Arbiter_Shade wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
Nope. This isn't Candyland.

This mentality has always blown my mind. Yes, yes it is Candyland. You are playing a game that amounts to little kids playing with old school green army men but with a little more rules tacked on. This game is like an advanced version of risk. Seriously, step back if you honestly believe that this game is serious business, you are playing a game were hooligan orks fight mary sues from outer space over what is usually a random piece of ground. This game is more absurd than Candyland.

I fully understand the pure frivolity of the game; the fact that it's screaming demons and funny fungus and super space soliders. That's what I love about the game. However, in Candyland, I don't spend thousands of dollars collecting parts of the game, and hundreds of hours meticulously painting those collected pieces, and countless hours pouring over convoluted rules and forums and tacics and math and strategem, to not try my best to win. I put a lot of time and effort into this hobby trying to hone my creative abilities both with paint and tactics. If some dude comes up with an army list he put 10 mintues into and gets destroyed, I'm certainly not going to feel bad in any way.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Kinda. Recently there was a local Tournament. I brought my new and highly optimized tau list. My opponent was a 12 year old boy whose dad just bought him a new necron army. I had two options. Loose and not get the prize money. OR crush a little boys brand new army. I went for the obvious choice. Money. His dad got so pissed at me though when he returned "Why didnt you let him win" and so forth

I hate that mentality that seems to be everywhere these days... ie: kids must always succeed no matter how bad they are at something.
Weather it be the idiotic practices of "no child left behind" in the school system that means you can't ever fail/hold back a kid, or else this foolish ideal of "everyone's a winner & gets a prize!" that you see beginning to dominate minor sports.

Most lessons we do learn come from failures.
The only time I hate losing a 40k game is when it's to some TFG/donkeycave who bends RAW to their advantage and/or exploits a busted rule/loophole to basically avoid playing the game and claim an auto-win. (ie: GK's players who covered the table in Warp Quake vs my Daemons last edition)

Hell, some of my most enjoyable games have come from getting my ass royally handed to me! Typically it's because my suck - as in, my rolls can be so bad that it makes the odds of a plane crashing into the gaming hall & killing everyone look calculable!
But I always try to see the humorous side of things and still try to play through it. Sometimes it's just about the minor moral victory one can achieve, such as getting even a sol survivor to exit the table and claim a single VP for the scenario. Or else it may simply be to destroy a single enemy model/unit that's been giving me grief, etc...



Probably the only time I've felt a little guilty for winning was when the WD Daemon update came out as it made my army ludicrously OP.

Being a mono Tzeentch player, I'd already had a good supply of Flamers & some Screamers before it was cool to spam them. Not only that, but I'd been playing max-sized squads of the Flamers before they became godly. (almost everyone else on the other hand was using the 3-5 strong suicide style squads)
So it's not like I was all of a sudden bandwagoning onto the latest, greatest cheddar-train.

But after seeing a single unit of 9 table my buddy's Ravenwing army pretty much by themselves, I did fell pretty dirty afterwards.

I feel quite bad about a 2v2 me and my friend played against a father and son a few weeks ago. Obviously the father had taken his son for a day out to enjoy a few games of warhammer. Warhammer world was rather quiet that Sunday so we challenged them to a 2v2 and we used fluffy lists and tried to help them with tactics etc but we tabled them turn 3, the son looked very sad :(

 Skriker wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Sometimes when the youngins get in the tourny at the flgs and after a day of getting their ass handed to them I finish the day by tabling their god awful list. They just look so sad because they thought they made some spectacular list which turned out to be crap. the look on their faces is kinda sad BUT then I think back.......my dad kicked my ass in every single game he and I ever played forcing me to get better

That first entry into a tourney, especially now that optimization has become such a big thing can be a painful experience for the uninitiated, but it is part of the process. Either they never play a tourney again because they dislike the dynamic or the next year they come back with a much tighter and competitive list because they learn from the experience.

As for your comments of your dad, I will say that the first time I ever beat my father at chess was one of the most awesome days of my life. So I definitely know that situation.

Skriker

If I end up playing one of the youngins, usually because they want to play a game against anyone and I feel bad when no one will game with them, if I beat them senseless I sit down with them and offer some suggestions based off what their biggest weak spots were

The only time I've ever felt bad was my Necron friend's very first game, where he got a mishap trying to deepstrike Immortals, and they rolled 1 on the table and died. He had little chance of success for that game.

Since then, however, he is more experienced, and a more brutal tactician. When the exact same mishap-means-instant-death thing happened recently, I just laughed.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Kinda. Recently there was a local Tournament. I brought my new and highly optimized tau list. My opponent was a 12 year old boy whose dad just bought him a new necron army. I had two options. Loose and not get the prize money. OR crush a little boys brand new army. I went for the obvious choice. Money. His dad got so pissed at me though when he returned "Why didnt you let him win" and so forth

That is the dad's fault, though. Don't enter your completely inexperienced kid in a tourney with actual prizes beyond bragging rights and then expect people to let your kid win.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Kinda. Recently there was a local Tournament. I brought my new and highly optimized tau list. My opponent was a 12 year old boy whose dad just bought him a new necron army. I had two options. Loose and not get the prize money. OR crush a little boys brand new army. I went for the obvious choice. Money. His dad got so pissed at me though when he returned "Why didnt you let him win" and so forth

That is the dad's fault, though. Don't enter your completely inexperienced kid in a tourney with actual prizes beyond bragging rights and then expect people to let your kid win.

Skriker

I agree with Skriker. It was a tournament that had a prize. Why should you have to give up winning just because he's a kid? The point of entering a tournament is to win, isn't it?

Also, the only time i've felt bad about winning is if the person i'm playing doesn't have fun in the game or gets completely hammered by whatever i'm using. Games are the most fun if they're roughly equal (i.e we both take decent amounts of casualties or theres a lot of back and forths). At least that's how i see it.

 thedarksaint wrote:
I run an after school 40k program for Jr. High Students and I never feel bad after a good curb stomp. However, throughout the entire game, I'm telling them exactly what they could of done, what rules they forgot, alternate strategies they could employ, basically teaching them to think more tactically. They are always happy, even getting the pants beat off of them because they start to understand how to really play the game.

As a side note, we do spend a ton of time on game etiquette. I want my little guys to be fun to play and not act like snotty brats that I hear about on this forum a lot. So far, the kids get asked to play quite frequently.

I like this! Have an exalt for being a stand-up person and promoting the hobby in a good way!!

As for feeling bad when winning, yeah, a couple of times. Most recently was against a good friend of mine's Space Wolves. He was used to seeing the typical Chaos Daemon power build, and so was completely unprepared for my daemon horde army with only a single FMC (Lord of Change). He also played a full mech list with lots of lascannons and autocannons, which still should have been hard for me to crack due to lack of effective armour penetration, but my Slaanesh Herald got the reward that doubles their strength on rolls of 6, so I managed to destroy Bjorn and a land raider with the same squad.

Hmmm, I'm not sure you should feel bad after winning. I mean you play to win the game right? You don't play to just play it. Play to win. Pick a top tier.

 Scarecrow456 wrote:
Also, the only time i've felt bad about winning is if the person i'm playing doesn't have fun in the game or gets completely hammered by whatever i'm using. Games are the most fun if they're roughly equal (i.e we both take decent amounts of casualties or theres a lot of back and forths). At least that's how i see it.

Games can still be fun for me even if they aren't roughly equal. Some games you just roll horribly. You can either get angry about it and rage through the rest of the game or you could start laughing about it. Had a friend who played orks and one game EVERYTHING went wrong. His mek vortex grenaded himself. The old jump the orks off the moving trukk and most of them surviving ended up killing all of them, his assaults always came up short, he rolled horribly on everything, even had a flanking attack from a unit of genestealers that he rolled so poorly in CC for that his entire flank vanished. By the end of the game he was trying really crazy stupid stuff just to see how badly it could fail compared to everything else. Was one of the most fun games we ever played.

Skriker

I played my mate's son in a 2k battle, his BA's vs my DAs....and I obliterated him! I felt really bad and put off a rematch for ages.

Finally, 5 months later, I played him again. This time, up to 3k points....so I picked the most expensive, stupid list you have ever seen.....and I won and won well....I mauled him!

In the last game, I talked him through my moves, what I could do to counter him, what special rules I have and can use when etc but he didn't take it on board.

So, to turn my guilty feelings around, I've told him the next battle is 750pts so he has to think about his list and make it balanced....fingers crossed he wins it!

moogy wrote:
I played my mate's son in a 2k battle, his BA's vs my DAs....and I obliterated him! I felt really bad and put off a rematch for ages.

Finally, 5 months later, I played him again. This time, up to 3k points....so I picked the most expensive, stupid list you have ever seen.....and I won and won well....I mauled him!

In the last game, I talked him through my moves, what I could do to counter him, what special rules I have and can use when etc but he didn't take it on board.

So, to turn my guilty feelings around, I've told him the next battle is 750pts so he has to think about his list and make it balanced....fingers crossed he wins it!

in these situations, play an unbalanced battle... say 750 vs 1k

 Lobukia wrote:

moogy wrote:
I played my mate's son in a 2k battle, his BA's vs my DAs....and I obliterated him! I felt really bad and put off a rematch for ages.

Finally, 5 months later, I played him again. This time, up to 3k points....so I picked the most expensive, stupid list you have ever seen.....and I won and won well....I mauled him!

In the last game, I talked him through my moves, what I could do to counter him, what special rules I have and can use when etc but he didn't take it on board.

So, to turn my guilty feelings around, I've told him the next battle is 750pts so he has to think about his list and make it balanced....fingers crossed he wins it!

in these situations, play an unbalanced battle... say 750 vs 1k

This, but don't tell him you're bringing less

One bad experience I had was because of some jerkwad at my local GW. He brought an experimental list and wanted to try it out on someone who he thought had a weak army (me) and I brought my Banner in Raider DA list.

Towards the end he basically was yelling and complaining about every thing I did and every unit I brought. When the dice roll on turn 5 allowed the game to go on, I basically packed my gak up to stop the game.

When i go to games workshop and manage to take out little 10 year old bitches with grey knight dreadknight spam, i don't feel bad at all. In fact, my face was complimented by someone i beat, as they said my "Face looks like a baby carrier"

Played a grey knights player at warhammer world - he challenged me because he saw I was using demon allies (in 5th) and thought it would be an easy game.
He won first turn. Then let me set up and then decided actually he wanted to go second.
I asked if he was sure - he said definitely, he had a plan.
On turn 1, I fired 6 lascannons at his crusader and blew it sky high. He was upset and the game then turned into a bad-natured affair involving as many wrong rules as he could get in. I felt bad about his land raider, but then I felt better and better about it as the game went on...

Yes, tbh I always feel a little bad when I win

But one game night I had accidentaly (I swear!) made a death star out of my warboss+nobs/painboy and crushed two space marine armies completely. I felt like the biggest douchebag ever pretty much D:

One of the SM players hasn't played since, as well :/

The only time I truly felt bad was when I played a little kid. He was maybe 10 or 12 and had never played. No one else in the store wanted to play him, he only had about 500 points and was unfamiliar with all the rules. His dad was there, and was trying to help, and I was explaining things to him. But it felt really dirty to explain how shooting works and why I was eliminating half his squad at a go.

In retrospect I kind of wish I had just set myself up to lose and give him a boost. But he learned a ton, and even though he wasn't ecstatic at losing he kept coming back and eventually he was playing at the same level as everyone else and having a blast. So it worked out in the end.

Sold my ork army on craigs to a nice guy (we later became buddys) after buying them he wanted to play me. Next day we went down to the local shop. He wanted to play 1000 points so i said sure. My RW put the hurt on him and made the game not very fun for him. I sat him down and went over some stuff with him. I let him play 1500 vs my 1000 still beat him even after helping him during the game. I felt bad as i just sold him 4k points of orcs that are getting there butt stomped by the guy who sold them to him. He was upset that he spent a nice little amount on an army that he struggled to understand and use.

The only time I really feel bad after a win is when at a tournament I get paired up with a kid and proceed to stomp him. During a friendly game with the same kid I'd say "are you sure you want to do that?" if he's about to make a bad move, or I'd remind him about things that he's forgotten that benefit him "don't you want to cast Misfortune on my unit?"

I don't strive to win. rather would have fun.
But I had a recent game where I brought a 1250 list expecting to see space marines as my opponent (what kind I didn't know but I didn't try to find out). Anyways, a few tanks, troops and such later I had my list while my original intended opponent (by the tourney organizer's decision) had a game ot teach someone the game.

UNfortunatly said player left before he could face me, so I was stuck against Chaos Marines who was rather new to the game and had very very few models relative to me.
With nothing but
1 squad of havocs with all Las cannons, 1 cultist squad + lord, 1 marine squad and 1 choosen squad all of which had heavy upgrades to reach the 1250 points.
vs
2 LRBT
2 Executioners
1 Medusa
2 veteran squads
1 CCS
1 bastion

all the tanks striped down except the lascannons on the LRBTs.

I hammered the poor guy into submission, he was incredibly nice admitting he didn't like chaos and he wanted necrons (haven gotten them from a friend), we chatted and joked around the whole match but I only lost 1 HWT (CCS) and an executioner lost a hull point while I managed to blast apart the entire cultist squad, the chaos lord, 99% of the chaos marine squad, all but the sergenet of the havocs and hold 2 objectives.

I felt bad for him due to the unequal pairing of my heavy armor against 1250 points of chaos marines which was spread amoung a max of 4 squads of things, all of which had to slog through the unrelenting barrage of my tanks.
WHile he did have AT weapons in the havocs and the melta guns the marines carried, the meltas were waaaay out of range, and the havocs were crushed before they could do any real damage.


I felt bad overall, but he took it well. I didn't gun to win, but I guess my tanks decided the game turn 1 when a large number of the havocs were killed off, removing the only true threat to them, allowing me to hammer him into dust with impunity.

I played a game with a new 40k player who played Chaos Space Marines. I think it was a 750 pt battle(Friendly game) and I wiped him. I felt really bad throughout the battle as more and more of his squads dropped off the table. He had the Chaos SM part of Dark Vengence.

The title of the thread and the question posed in the OP is certainly not the same question. They are not even in the same category.

I feel bad after playing my usual opponent sometimes. Hes a good player, and hes a nice guy. just sometimes I get amazing roles and he gets the worst ones ever.

our last game, this happened. I caused an early end after my third turn, due to having killed roughly 1600 points of his Chaos, in return loosing about 200 points of my Necrons. I had 8-0 on VPs. there was no way he could conceivably win... I felt awful

First opponent in a 16-man tournament was a young kid there for his first tournament. I'd brought my FMC daemon list and he had..

Random tactical squads, random terminators and a captain.

I tried my best not to crush him in one turn but it was hard since he basically didn't have anything that was a threat at all. There wasn't much I could do to give advice either.

Never during a competitive game but frequently during friendly games especially if I table them. I've "accidentally" left stuff in reserve or "forget" to use units on the table and reduced the number of shots for weapons when I've been winning by a big margin in a friendly game.

My kids I let win when I play them at 40k when they use good tactics/list, to encourage good play and punish bad list/tactics; I never let them win at chess though.

There is no mercy. There is no quarter. Chess is for blood.

Looky Likey wrote:
My kids I let win when I play them at 40k when they use good tactics/list, to encourage good play and punish bad list/tactics; I never let them win at chess though.

When I was a kid and I realized that the adults in my life were throwing games they played with me I felt cheated. As a result, I never let my kids win at anything. They know if they beat me it is because they pulled it off, not because I gave it to them. Sometimes I might not stomp them as bad so as not to discourage them, but they don't win unless they earned it. I've always thought that giving them the expectation that they'll always win is more damaging in the long run, as well as robbing them of satisfaction when they pull off a legitimate win.

Sometimes I feel bad because I rage at the dice. Never with randoms, though it happens too often with friends.

A close game that isn't decided solely by the dice? That's a good one